Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[ash_k]

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Barnes
PF Siakam
C Turner
6th GTj + Boucher+Precious
2x DPOY-type players in Turner&OG with 3x All Defensive-team-type players in FVV, Pascal and GTj and a budding one in Scottie
4x 20pt scorers with 2x 15pts scorers in Turner and Scottie.
How many teams would have that kind of combination?

The choice should be clear to everyone.

I think Turner's defensive reputation is overstated because of his blocks. He doesn't impact the defensive end like Gobert or even J Allen. Centers are currently shooting 54.5% against him. He also isn't as switchable as the guys he'd be replacing so you'd be losing there.

In a lot of lineups, he probably won't even be in closing lineups ahead of Barnes or GTJ.

Yeah, I'd rather move down 15 picks (our 1st for Orlando's 2nd) and get a 23 year old Mo Bamba with RFA rights then trade a first for Turner. Though maybe we think some team like Detroit or San Antonio would offer Bamba 60/3 and we definitely wouldn't want to match that.

Bamba would be ok as an alternative, but right now he is still a bit lightweight against Embiid, Vucevic, Bam.

[dukes_wild]

Can people stop calling Myles Turner a great defensive big? He's simply not.

He's soft, isn't very switchable, hunts blocks, not a great defensive rebounder. Offensively he's a lazy screener, doesn't really do much at a high level offensively other than being used as a PnP guy ala Serge Ibaka

[RapsFanInOhio]

Can people stop calling Myles Turner a great defensive big? He's simply not.

He's soft, isn't very switchable, hunts blocks, not a great defensive rebounder. Offensively he's a lazy screener, doesn't really do much at a high level offensively other than being used as a PnP guy ala Serge Ibaka

Yeah, this is why we aren’t dealing for him. People see the stats and think he’s this key guy, but he’s not a great defender and many on here who want to trade for him would get sick of him quickly if we did.

[TorontoRapsFan]

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Raptors can easily be the third team in this trade.

[Ell Curry]

I think Turner's defensive reputation is overstated because of his blocks. He doesn't impact the defensive end like Gobert or even J Allen. Centers are currently shooting 54.5% against him. He also isn't as switchable as the guys he'd be replacing so you'd be losing there.

In a lot of lineups, he probably won't even be in closing lineups ahead of Barnes or GTJ.

Yeah, I'd rather move down 15 picks (our 1st for Orlando's 2nd) and get a 23 year old Mo Bamba with RFA rights then trade a first for Turner. Though maybe we think some team like Detroit or San Antonio would offer Bamba 60/3 and we definitely wouldn't want to match that.

Bamba would be ok as an alternative, but right now he is still a bit lightweight against Embiid, Vucevic, Bam.

We're not going for the 2022 title. We're going for the 2024 or 2025 title, with Barnes in year 3-4 and Siakam and Van Vleet still only 29-30.

[ash_k]

Can people stop calling Myles Turner a great defensive big? He's simply not.

He's soft, isn't very switchable, hunts blocks, not a great defensive rebounder. Offensively he's a lazy screener, doesn't really do much at a high level offensively other than being used as a PnP guy ala Serge Ibaka

Whenever you can end up 5th and 9th in DPOY voting, can be 2 times block leaders. Average 3.4 blocks per game in the NBA?!? Yeah, you are a great defender. He has been used even too much as a stretch big imo. Too quick and athletic to just play that stretch role.

[Ell Curry]

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Raptors can easily be the third team in this trade.

Totally. Dragic and an overpaid Knick and 1st to Portland, overpaid Knicks and a 1st to us and we send a 2nd to the Knicks back.

[JB7]

I think Masai would trade a FRP (lotto protected) for Poeltl. Jakob fits the teams immediate and long term needs and is young enough to be a piece for awhile. Keeping Precious would be insurance for Raps if Jakob becomes too expensive when they need to re-up him in 2 years.

That's not how we operate though. Masai is an asset management freak. We aren't going to give up a FRP only to let that return walk because we can't afford them.

Masai will only trade the pick for a very good player we will be able to keep.

I think the Raps would have a very good shot at re-signing Poeltl to a new deal, but you never know if the players hits FA, and what one team might throw out there in terms of $$$. So holding onto Precious would be a nice back-up plan, rather than offering him as part of the deal. Precious is now 2 years into his development, vs a FRP still in college.

I think a 3 way deal between the Raps, Spurs and Mavs makes a lot of sense. Primary pieces moving would be:
Raps get: Poeltl (SAS), Burke (Mavs)
Mavs get: Dragic (Raps), Birch (Raps)
Spurs get: Powell (Dal), Lotto protected FRP (Raps), SRP (Dal)

Other smaller pieces could be added to the deal, like Flynn or Moses Brown. But those are not critical pieces.

Raps get the C they are looking for, plus some backup help at PG. Mavs get Dragic, and a cheaper replacement for Powell in Birch (Mavs are saving $10M in the following year when Luca's supermax kicks in, and Mavs roster is going to get more expensive next year as Brunson and DFS are due for new deals). Spurs get a FRP, SRP and a replacement for Poeltl.

[Madhouse]

PG FVV
SG OG
SF Barnes
PF Siakam
C Turner
6th GTj + Boucher+Precious
2x DPOY-type players in Turner&OG with 3x All Defensive-team-type players in FVV, Pascal and GTj and a budding one in Scottie
4x 20pt scorers with 2x 15pts scorers in Turner and Scottie.
How many teams would have that kind of combination?

The choice should be clear to everyone.

I think Turner's defensive reputation is overstated because of his blocks. He doesn't impact the defensive end like Gobert or even J Allen. Centers are currently shooting 54.5% against him. He also isn't as switchable as the guys he'd be replacing so you'd be losing there.

In a lot of lineups, he probably won't even be in closing lineups ahead of Barnes or GTJ.

Yeah, I'd rather move down 15 picks (our 1st for Orlando's 2nd) and get a 23 year old Mo Bamba with RFA rights then trade a first for Turner. Though maybe we think some team like Detroit or San Antonio would offer Bamba 60/3 and we definitely wouldn't want to match that.

Turner is much better defensively than Bamba.

[RapsFanInOhio]

I think there’s a lot of discussions obviously but the answer is going to come down to something that just helps with bench depth but isn’t a huge “wow” deal - something like Olynyk and CoJo for Dragic, who is then bought out. We’re notably very cap conscious, but you can’t use Dragic’s deal once it expires and outside of the MLE, which is going to be a competitive aspect of free agency this year, we have no space. So it makes sense to get something and if you’re taking on future salary it probably saves you the first round pick. They’re only giving up that first round pick if it means getting young(ish) guys that fit with the core - but I’m not sure if that’s out there. I’m pretty certain Dragic gets moved for something though. An expiring that big plus our bench needs means something is going to happen.

I think Olynyk and CoJo for Dragic and a second is probably the most realistic thing. Or something along those lines.

[Red_Claw]

Get me T.Ross and Serge Ibaka without giving up any of our core (starters), FRP, Dalano or Precious and play out the rest of the season.

We should make it to the 2nd round which will be huge for the development of the younger players.

Anyone wanting to swing for the fences for a championship this year are unhinged. The big picture starts next year when our goal is a championship and not just development.

[ash_k]

Yeah, I'd rather move down 15 picks (our 1st for Orlando's 2nd) and get a 23 year old Mo Bamba with RFA rights then trade a first for Turner. Though maybe we think some team like Detroit or San Antonio would offer Bamba 60/3 and we definitely wouldn't want to match that.

Bamba would be ok as an alternative, but right now he is still a bit lightweight against Embiid, Vucevic, Bam.

We're not going for the 2022 title. We're going for the 2024 or 2025 title, with Barnes in year 3-4 and Siakam and Van Vleet still only 29-30.

Going for the title in 2022 or 2024, Giannis is not going anywhere.
Bamba is just 2 years younger than Turner. Myles is a playoffs performer, He just fits us from A to Z. It is almost scary how perfect that fit is.

[Ell Curry]

I think Turner's defensive reputation is overstated because of his blocks. He doesn't impact the defensive end like Gobert or even J Allen. Centers are currently shooting 54.5% against him. He also isn't as switchable as the guys he'd be replacing so you'd be losing there.

In a lot of lineups, he probably won't even be in closing lineups ahead of Barnes or GTJ.

Yeah, I'd rather move down 15 picks (our 1st for Orlando's 2nd) and get a 23 year old Mo Bamba with RFA rights then trade a first for Turner. Though maybe we think some team like Detroit or San Antonio would offer Bamba 60/3 and we definitely wouldn't want to match that.

Turner is much better defensively than Bamba.

Magic giving up 100 on D with him on the court, which is truly fantastic. Less injury issues at the moment. Safer bet he outperforms Turner from 23-26 than Turner's 26-29 years I'd say, and probably cheaper to acquire and maybe to sign.

[Raptors_128]

From the article:

“ The sense is they’re more likely to drill down on finding a play-making wing that can shoot, rather than simply a shooter or another big. They’re willing to keep playing with undersized fives and oversized wings and see how far it takes them.”

Given Grange is reporting this, looks like we getting a big!

That sounds like Bogdanovic.

That sounds like Eric Gordon to me. But I wouldn't want to give up a first for him given his age. Maybe if they would throw in Tate as well, it makes sense.

Oh yeah Gordon too but as you said he’s too old and the cost will be high.

I don’t think we should give up a first for Bogdanovic either. I only want him if it’s a salary dump or we send back a small asset like a 2nd/Flynn. Hawks will have to dump his salary before next season if they want to avoid the luxury tax anyways.

[Madhouse]

Can people stop calling Myles Turner a great defensive big? He's simply not.

He's soft, isn't very switchable, hunts blocks, not a great defensive rebounder. Offensively he's a lazy screener, doesn't really do much at a high level offensively other than being used as a PnP guy ala Serge Ibaka

Whenever you can end up 5th and 9th in DPOY voting, can be 2 times block leaders. Average 3.4 blocks per game in the NBA?!? Yeah, you are a great defender. He has been used even too much as a stretch big imo. Too quick and athletic to just play that stretch role.

Turner is not as good as Gobert obviously but he is an elite Big defensively.

All numbers indicate that.

[dukes_wild]

Can people stop calling Myles Turner a great defensive big? He's simply not.

He's soft, isn't very switchable, hunts blocks, not a great defensive rebounder. Offensively he's a lazy screener, doesn't really do much at a high level offensively other than being used as a PnP guy ala Serge Ibaka

Whenever you can end up 5th and 9th in DPOY voting, can be 2 times block leaders. Average 3.4 blocks per game in the NBA?!? Yeah, you are a great defender. He has been used even too much as a stretch big imo. Too quick and athletic to just play that stretch role.

He's really not THAT quick, though.

Finishing top 10 or w.e in DPOY voting means nothing. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope finished 11th in DPOY voting last year, Andre Drummond finished 8th in 2019-2020

All you really need to finish top 10 or so in award voting is one or two voters to just make a stupid biased vote. It's also super narrative based. Turner has a rep of being this elite defender because he aggressively blocks shots, but in reality when you watch him he's closer to Hassan Whiteside/Andre Drummond on defense than Rudy Gobert

Blocks and Steals are not always indicative of defensive performance. Those numbers are fairly easy to pad if you truly hunt for them by gambling for steals, over-helping for blocks, etc.

Turner isn't a terrible defender, but he's nowhere near DPOY level

[ItsDanger]

I kind of soured on Turner when he complained about his role. Injury prone? Got to think he's going to Hornets

[Sandman88]

Turner would be a great addition to the Team. I’d have him as the 6th man because I don’t want to mess with Gary’s rhythm right now, and the starting group is rolling.

A lot of people need to understand that Turner/Sabonis didn’t work together. They’re both centers. Turner was relegated to spot up shooting in Indy so we didn’t get to see what he’s truly capable of. He put up some monster stats when sabonis was out and he was the primary big.

I just hope his injury isn’t as serious as it sounds. Foot problems with big men are a cause for concern.

[dukes_wild]

I kind of soured on Turner when he complained about his role. Injury prone? Got to think he's going to Hornets

This 100%. He's upset enough in Indiana, how would he feel if he came here and FVV/GTJ/Siakam/Barnes/OG are all taking damn near 15+ shot attempts per game?

[arbsn]

Not interested in Turner since the cost will be high (at least FRP+young player + Goran)

I’d rather go after Olynyk or Poeltl