We are not going to win a championship this year

[HardenGoat]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

You think James is committed? lol

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Harden will stay unless someone stokes his FA ego and he hasn’t done **** to desire that kind of treatment. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and continued to push back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts. I don’t feel sorry for Nets fans who are still don’t get it.

Nets fans just don’t want to admit KD would prefer Kyrie than Harden, if it came down to it. I’m not childish to put vaccine policy and other political and personal perspective away from common sense basketball evaluation. There’s no evidence to suggest or support KD loves Harden here enough to boot Kyrie and his anti vax idealisms to another team and if it came down to that, great but that isn’t reality.

Quite frankly, this is the same place who crapped on me defending drafting LeVert, Jarrett Allen and plenty more. Same place I was suspended in 2016 for suggesting in an heated argument, that we COULD land KD because everyone including moderators claimed I was being a bias fan, homer or a delusional fan.

How did that turn out?

This is delusional. You keep using skill and ability to score as deflection. When we have a game 7 at home and Durant has no Kyrie available how do you think that will go down. What if Durant or Harden didn’t get vaccinated this year and Kyrie did? Would you be fine with that? We need all 3 available during crunch time. One won’t be but it’s within their power to be. Is it not in the best interest of the team to make that happen? I don’t get it? Harden is trying to make that happen and you seem to have a serious problem with it. There is one simple thing that can increase our odds exponentially this year to get a championship and it has nothing to do with what Harden did in the past. He wants to win and this is just a symptom of it. Harden is not going to quit. But he’s also not going to just sit back and not try to do everything he can to make the team whole. He knows how skilled Kyrie is and what the man is capable of. Why wouldn’t someone want that in their arsenal and available when it matters the most. This is just tough love right now. You should really try to see the big picture here.

[Jay555]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

You think James is committed? lol
Did not want to read after this. Is that a freaking joke?

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.
Podcasts/Interviews. What are they? Media. What does media do? Letting you believe whatever they say. I donot doubt KD's sincerity but at the same time I do not take what's put out by the media seriously. I only look at the facts not some quotes from podcasts/interviews that KD did because he was not in a position to say whatever he wanna say from the bottom of his heart. Like, "I love Kai, dude is such an amazing baller, but god I wish he takes the **** shot. Instead, he goes " It's a personal thing and I respect that etc". That's an example but you get where I am from?

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Harden will stay unless someone stokes his FA ego and he hasn’t done **** to desire that kind of treatment. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and continued to push back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.
No one doubts Kai's basketball skills. He's one of a kind. I am a Harden fan who have also become a fan of KD/Kyrie's game. Kyrie might be the most skilled guard to ever touch the basketball. It's never about his skills. It's only about his commitment. We can go back and forth about whether he's committed. But in public's eyes, playing part time is not a commitment especially you are a part of a team that needs help badly when everyone is down and when it has a championship aspirations .

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts. I don’t feel sorry for Nets fans who are still don’t get it.
See above re podcasts.

Nets fans just don’t want to admit KD would prefer Kyrie than Harden, if it came down to it. I’m not childish to put vaccine policy and other political and personal perspective away from common sense basketball evaluation. There’s no evidence to suggest or support KD loves Harden here enough to boot Kyrie and his anti vax idealisms to another team and if it came down to that, great but that isn’t reality.

Does this matter? If KD preferred Kyrie, then fine, get Harden out of here. There is no beef. Those three are still friends. I think you are missing the point. What does it have to be love and hate? The point is try and fix the problems(be it fire Nash or fix the rotations etc) and see if they can ride it out vs choosing a side. Honestly, if they can fix this, there is still a chance but Nash needs to go first.


Quite frankly, this is the same place who crapped on me defending drafting LeVert, Jarrett Allen and plenty more. Same place I was suspended in 2016 for suggesting in an heated argument, that we COULD land KD because everyone including moderators claimed I was being a bias fan, homer or a delusional fan.

How did that turn out?
I have not been here long enough but you being right previously does not mean you are right every time. I only trust probabilities and that's what I do for a living. You could be still right but there is 50% chance you could be wrong. Again, does this matter tho? No, what matters is we are all here wanting to see the big three pull it off.

[Fallout_3]

If a player is full committed he just doesn’t want to be out. Is as simple as that. There no excuse to the lack of effort or to ask for an exit in a moment like this. Not after only one year here. This is not full commitment at all.

You can talk about Kyrie, role players, bad luck or Brooklyn’s weather. But none of this justify this kind of behaviour. That’s loser’s mentality. This isn’t how you become a great club.

[Stone]

We still have no heard anything from Harden himself...... and the silence is deafening

All we have is a report that could have been a leak from Philly or a ratings grab or just plain BS

Again- Harden said don't trust it unless you heard it from him.

Harden missed one game and all hell breaks loose.

[GYK]

Idk why a Harden swap for Ben is seen as better besides defense(which could’ve been gotten trading Joe and Co for better fit)...

Yeah, Simmons is a head case too. I would just hope that the lack of scrutiny that the Nets get from the local media will allow him to just focus on basketball.

Besides being a headcase and a guy who shrinks on the big stage (er, plus a mentally-blocked shooter), the thing that really scares me about Simmon is that he may also be vastly overrated as a passer.

There was a pretty good Reddit analysis thread maybe half a year ago examining the issue, and the analysis suggested that Simmons' assists tend to be pretty obvious in nature, and moreso down to his height and time spent holding the ball than raw passing ability. In the end, I think the general conclusion was that he's a pretty good passer for a forward, but nowhere near the average traditional PG in that dept.

Which suggests to me that KD should firmly remain the point-forward, with Simmons doing what he's good at on O, i.e. moving & cutting, putting pressure on the defense from the inside to guard easy buckets in the paint, while KD & the shooters dismantle the opponent from the outside. And then you have a killer wing and all-around defender on the other side of the ball.

The question to me is: will Simmons' ego accommodate such a thing? I feel very unsure about that under Nash, or maybe even the next creampuff Nets coach. Simmons' agent seems like a complete cancer, so it wouldn't surprise me for Ben to sample the Nets for ~half a season, then start pouting all over again.

Actually no, it's probably not so much that the latter would happen, moreso that he'd be babied too much under Nets coaching, remaining a subpar version of what he could be, sabotaging the Nets in the end, not unlike Kyrie.

Maybe this is some fool's gold here, is what I'm thinking.

I don’t mind Simmons I think he’s a great player. When it was off-season rumors of Spencer/Joe/the two 1st for Ben I was all for it. He solved so many problems and fit perfectly with the trio, especially James(roll man and short roll passer, he’s never had that despite ten years of traps).

No my problem is even with a Ben trade(that lowers our ceiling) is that the role players aren’t the skills sets you need on a contender. Take off every Big 3 from teams and you see our unit lacks shooting, rebounding, defense and size. They don’t bring the necessary elements needed for a contender. You can’t convince me Ben with even less spacing around him is gonna work. Yea he could force things to happen like Harden has been doing but it’s gonna look horrific to the point we question is he good.

We have the scoring. The thing every team is searching for. We had it since day 1 of Scary Hours. We needed the simplest things. Rebounding, spacing and defense/length. Swapping stars does nothing for us except build in an excuse to why we didn’t win. Oh it was Harden. Oh it was Kyrie. We didn’t have time to build chemistry. Injuries. Etc.

No this roster no matter who the best 3 players are was always gonna be an uphill battle. Too small. Doesn’t defend stars or the paint. Doesn’t rebound. And now with less spacing than last year.

[Prokorov]

The problem could and probably is both Nash and Kyrie.

I truly believe the vaccine mandates will be lifted before the playoffs. But who knows.

With KD using the word committed that has to be a message to Ky.

I highly doubt the Nets are going to make a move that KD publicly said he does not want Marks to make.

You think James is committed? lol
Did not want to read after this. Is that a freaking joke?

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.
Podcasts/Interviews. What are they? Media. What does media do? Letting you believe whatever they say. I donot doubt KD's sincerity but at the same time I do not take what's put out by the media seriously. I only look at the facts not some quotes from podcasts/interviews that KD did because he was not in a position to say whatever he wanna say from the bottom of his heart. Like, "I love Kai, dude is such an amazing baller, but god I wish he takes the **** shot. Instead, he goes " It's a personal thing and I respect that etc". That's an example but you get where I am from?

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Harden will stay unless someone stokes his FA ego and he hasn’t done **** to desire that kind of treatment. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and continued to push back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.
No one doubts Kai's basketball skills. He's one of a kind. I am a Harden fan who have also become a fan of KD/Kyrie's game. Kyrie might be the most skilled guard to ever touch the basketball. It's never about his skills. It's only about his commitment. We can go back and forth about whether he's committed. But in public's eyes, playing part time is not a commitment especially you are a part of a team that needs help badly when everyone is down and when it has a championship aspirations .

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts. I don’t feel sorry for Nets fans who are still don’t get it.
See above re podcasts.

Nets fans just don’t want to admit KD would prefer Kyrie than Harden, if it came down to it. I’m not childish to put vaccine policy and other political and personal perspective away from common sense basketball evaluation. There’s no evidence to suggest or support KD loves Harden here enough to boot Kyrie and his anti vax idealisms to another team and if it came down to that, great but that isn’t reality.

Does this matter? If KD preferred Kyrie, then fine, get Harden out of here. There is no beef. Those three are still friends. I think you are missing the point. What does it have to be love and hate? The point is try and fix the problems(be it fire Nash or fix the rotations etc) and see if they can ride it out vs choosing a side. Honestly, if they can fix this, there is still a chance but Nash needs to go first.


Quite frankly, this is the same place who crapped on me defending drafting LeVert, Jarrett Allen and plenty more. Same place I was suspended in 2016 for suggesting in an heated argument, that we COULD land KD because everyone including moderators claimed I was being a bias fan, homer or a delusional fan.

How did that turn out?
I have not been here long enough but you being right previously does not mean you are right every time. I only trust probabilities and that's what I do for a living. You could be still right but there is 50% chance you could be wrong. Again, does this matter tho? No, what matters is we are all here wanting to see the big three pull it off.

KDs podcast is his own podcast, on is own network, produced by KD himself. this isnt some random podcast getting a curveball question. KD gushing about kyrie isnt political. if he didnt believe it he wouldnt say it and wouldnt have it on his podcast agenda.

it is 100% FACT that KD support Kyrie. and honestly this is why they teamed up, they are aligned. player empowerment, life being about more then basketball.

[MrDollarBills]

You think James is committed? lol
Did not want to read after this. Is that a freaking joke?

Watch KD’s podcast and his interviews since 2022 and you will quickly see who he’s clearly talking about. KD doesn’t look at Kyrie the same way that he looks at Harden.
Podcasts/Interviews. What are they? Media. What does media do? Letting you believe whatever they say. I donot doubt KD's sincerity but at the same time I do not take what's put out by the media seriously. I only look at the facts not some quotes from podcasts/interviews that KD did because he was not in a position to say whatever he wanna say from the bottom of his heart. Like, "I love Kai, dude is such an amazing baller, but god I wish he takes the **** shot. Instead, he goes " It's a personal thing and I respect that etc". That's an example but you get where I am from?

He doesn’t sound like a guy who cares much about Harden in the same conversation as Kyrie’s skills. Harden will stay unless someone stokes his FA ego and he hasn’t done **** to desire that kind of treatment. Regardless, of Kyrie’s status on vaccines. He could’ve pushed him out but he hasn’t and continued to push back on the idea of trading him, correct? He still continues to call him a savant, a magician. He looks at Kyrie way more as an equal than Harden. There’s a reason this is happening on Harden’s end. It likely was going to happen with or without a title.
No one doubts Kai's basketball skills. He's one of a kind. I am a Harden fan who have also become a fan of KD/Kyrie's game. Kyrie might be the most skilled guard to ever touch the basketball. It's never about his skills. It's only about his commitment. We can go back and forth about whether he's committed. But in public's eyes, playing part time is not a commitment especially you are a part of a team that needs help badly when everyone is down and when it has a championship aspirations .

Let’s be honest and I can pull more quotes and video footage to confirm it than you think. I don’t even have to go further than one month of podcasts. I don’t feel sorry for Nets fans who are still don’t get it.
See above re podcasts.

Nets fans just don’t want to admit KD would prefer Kyrie than Harden, if it came down to it. I’m not childish to put vaccine policy and other political and personal perspective away from common sense basketball evaluation. There’s no evidence to suggest or support KD loves Harden here enough to boot Kyrie and his anti vax idealisms to another team and if it came down to that, great but that isn’t reality.

Does this matter? If KD preferred Kyrie, then fine, get Harden out of here. There is no beef. Those three are still friends. I think you are missing the point. What does it have to be love and hate? The point is try and fix the problems(be it fire Nash or fix the rotations etc) and see if they can ride it out vs choosing a side. Honestly, if they can fix this, there is still a chance but Nash needs to go first.


Quite frankly, this is the same place who crapped on me defending drafting LeVert, Jarrett Allen and plenty more. Same place I was suspended in 2016 for suggesting in an heated argument, that we COULD land KD because everyone including moderators claimed I was being a bias fan, homer or a delusional fan.

How did that turn out?
I have not been here long enough but you being right previously does not mean you are right every time. I only trust probabilities and that's what I do for a living. You could be still right but there is 50% chance you could be wrong. Again, does this matter tho? No, what matters is we are all here wanting to see the big three pull it off.

KDs podcast is his own podcast, on is own network, produced by KD himself. this isnt some random podcast getting a curveball question. KD gushing about kyrie isnt political. if he didnt believe it he wouldnt say it and wouldnt have it on his podcast agenda.

it is 100% FACT that KD support Kyrie. and honestly this is why they teamed up, they are aligned. player empowerment, life being about more then basketball.

I really don't care about that crap. Do they want to win or not? Otherwise they both are wasting everyone's time and Harden has realized it and wants out.

I could care less about their podcasts, books, none of that sh*t. I want to see the Nets win games and a championship. End of story. All this extra crap about player empowerment and basketball being just a job to Kyrie means nothing to me.

As a fan I feel absolutely railroaded right now by Marks for hiring Steve Nash, and by KD for coddling a petulant narcissist like Kyrie. You can defend them blindly if you want. I'm tired of it. This isn't even fun anymore. It hasn't been at all since KD and Kyrie signed here. It's been nothing but drama and horsesh*t.

This is why I support James Harden despite his faults this season. He came into here thinking the Nets were about winning. Instead, everything happening now isn't about winning, it's about Sean Marks refusing to correct his mistakes and KD putting Kyrie over winning games.

They all can f*ck off man.

[GYK]

People questioning Harden commitment to winning is wild.
Are we questioning the Nets organization commitment to winning? You lacked rebounding and defense last season. This year you lack spacing. You don’t want to move on from the role players you chosen nor use the TPE’s to improve the roster.
A billion excuses have been made. There’s no contender experimenting because no contender has ever put this weak of a roster around stars.
We have stars at 1, 2 and 3. Scoring stars. Offensive stars. A neutral to negative star defensive backcourt and a two way wing. What would they NEED?
Someone in the starting lineup to guard opposing threats so your star 3 doesn’t get in foul trouble.
A defensive center who paint protects and rebounds.
You have chosen a PG for your 6th man behind your star backcourt. Fine. Even when staggering minutes no other guard is needed in the rotation.
A backup for your star wing and starting designated defender is needed.
As well as a backup for your starting center, you’ve chosen that.

We are 5 role players away from being the dynasty we should be. Four if you see LMA/Sharpe as legit backup centers. As a tandem I do. Three if you view Kessler as a legit backup for a contenders wing position, I do. What we are missing is a starting designated defender wing, his backup and a starting big.

I wish I had faith in this FO to actually improve this team and/or use the TPE’s. Which we should as it would guarantee our ring and Harden signing longterm for more.
Never the less Cam/Carter/Brown for Kuzma. Joe/Nic for Brooks/Anderson as a 3&D depth move since we don’t feel anything is worth it when it comes to using the TPE’s. Then look for Tristan, Fabors and/or Ibaka on the buyout market.

[Prokorov]

I really don't care about that crap. Do they want to win or not? Otherwise they both are wasting everyone's time and Harden has realized it and wants out.

Of course they want to win. but they are people like us with lives and families and considerations too. Demanding your friends and teammates do things the effect their lives off the court so you can win more just isnt something people do.

I could care less about their podcasts, books, none of that sh*t. I want to see the Nets win games and a championship. End of story. All this extra crap about player empowerment and basketball being just a job to Kyrie means nothing to me.

Right, and thats the disconnect. Fans just care about winning and assume players are the same and are pissed off the court 24/7. these guys leave most of it on the floor.

This is why I support James Harden despite his faults this season. He came into here thinking the Nets were about winning. Instead, everything happening now isn't about winning, it's about Sean Marks refusing to correct his mistakes and KD putting Kyrie over winning games.

They all can f*ck off man.

I find it funny you support harden but not the others. given he has asked off 2 teams in 2 years if rumors are true,

[MrDollarBills]

I really don't care about that crap. Do they want to win or not? Otherwise they both are wasting everyone's time and Harden has realized it and wants out.

Of course they want to win. but they are people like us with lives and families and considerations too. Demanding your friends and teammates do things the effect their lives off the court so you can win more just isnt something people do.

I could care less about their podcasts, books, none of that sh*t. I want to see the Nets win games and a championship. End of story. All this extra crap about player empowerment and basketball being just a job to Kyrie means nothing to me.

Right, and thats the disconnect. Fans just care about winning and assume players are the same and are pissed off the court 24/7. these guys leave most of it on the floor.

This is why I support James Harden despite his faults this season. He came into here thinking the Nets were about winning. Instead, everything happening now isn't about winning, it's about Sean Marks refusing to correct his mistakes and KD putting Kyrie over winning games.

They all can f*ck off man.

I find it funny you support harden but not the others. given he has asked off 2 teams in 2 years if rumors are true,

Houston is a mess, and he wanted out. I don't agree with how he went about it, but I don't blame him.

The Nets are absolutely dysfunctional from the top down, injury riddled, a poor roster with horrible spacing, a horrible coaching staff, and a huge % of the salary cap is playing part time by choice. I don't blame him for leaving this crap, dude thought he was coming here to win a championship, and not a situation where he'd have to carry a crap roster full of non shooters while Kyrie sits at home half the time. You and other fans are kicking Harden's back in for wanting out after Steve Nash has run him into the ground while giving Kyrie a pass is insane to me.

Don't really care about the other stuff you're bringing up. Acting like taking the vaccine is some life altering choice for Kyrie is nonsense. He's a paranoid and deluded narcissist who isn't committed to winning.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I really don't understand the defense of Harden.

There is plenty of blame to go around.

Nash for being a horrible coach

Marks for hiring Nash

Kyrie for not taking the damn shot

And Harden for playing like **** and quitting

It takes ALL of these factors to produce this disaster season.

Harden "came here to win" but he sure hasn't played like it. Putting up his worse stats since his rookie year. Dragged by KD for every game.

Its not the Nets fault that KD got injured. Did KD blame Harden when he had to lead the Nets after Harden got injured? No he didn't. He just dealt with it

Not to mention Harden has basically had Kyrie for nearly every game since KD got injured.

Sorry we expect a former MVP to carry the team on his back while KD returns from injury. Its not asking that much.

I wonder how he responds in Philly once Embiid is out for a month or two. Does he quit on them too?

[Prokorov]

I really don't care about that crap. Do they want to win or not? Otherwise they both are wasting everyone's time and Harden has realized it and wants out.

Of course they want to win. but they are people like us with lives and families and considerations too. Demanding your friends and teammates do things the effect their lives off the court so you can win more just isnt something people do.

I could care less about their podcasts, books, none of that sh*t. I want to see the Nets win games and a championship. End of story. All this extra crap about player empowerment and basketball being just a job to Kyrie means nothing to me.

Right, and thats the disconnect. Fans just care about winning and assume players are the same and are pissed off the court 24/7. these guys leave most of it on the floor.

This is why I support James Harden despite his faults this season. He came into here thinking the Nets were about winning. Instead, everything happening now isn't about winning, it's about Sean Marks refusing to correct his mistakes and KD putting Kyrie over winning games.

They all can f*ck off man.

I find it funny you support harden but not the others. given he has asked off 2 teams in 2 years if rumors are true,

Houston is a mess, and he wanted out. I don't agree with how he went about it, but I don't blame him.

The Nets are absolutely dysfunctional from the top down, injury riddled, a poor roster with horrible spacing, a horrible coaching staff, and a huge % of the salary cap is playing part time by choice. I don't blame him for leaving this crap, dude thought he was coming here to win a championship, and not a situation where he'd have to carry a crap roster full of non shooters while Kyrie sits at home half the time. You and other fans are kicking Harden's back in for wanting out after Steve Nash has run him into the ground while giving Kyrie a pass is insane to me.

Don't really care about the other stuff you're bringing up. Acting like taking the vaccine is some life altering choice for Kyrie is nonsense. He's a paranoid and deluded narcissist who isn't committed to winning.

I have no issues with Harden or with Kyrie.

I turn a side eye though when people trash Kyrie and durant and then hold harden up like he is the model teammate. Dude quit on one team, flat out, and dragged teammates names in the mud along the way. Props to him for playing injured, and i dont buy him dogging it here AT ALL. at the same time, if you are so committed to winning a title, being in better shape would be a good look there too.

and asking out the second things get tough isnt really being a great teammate or winner... its being a mercenary who just humps ship to the next best thing as soon as the water level rises.

Again, I have no issue with any of the big 3. But dont trash these guys and then tell me harden is some saint

[Claud]

It all started going downhill when Kyrie refused to get vaccinated to start the season.
That put a lot of stress/negative cloud on the entire team, not to mention KD + Harden were playing HEAVY minutes.
We can't simply sweep that fact under the rug. It 100% started because of his bull.

Then the injuries started to pile up, Harden started to pout/give up on the team, then you sprinkle in Nash's ineptitude and this is what you get.

Kyrie has a huge chunk of blame in his hands. FACTS.

Does that excuse Harden's actions? NOPE.
Harden, who's supposed to be MVP level player has not really delivered that consistently as a NET.
Always some excuse why he isn't performing where we need him to be. KD has been carrying for a while now.
The last 2-3 weeks Harden's effort has been PATHETIC. Why does he give up on the rest of his teammates because of Kyrie/Whoever?
The first sign of trouble and he wants to bail? **** that weak ****.

At this point idgaf about Kyrie and Harden, they can both **** off.
I hope we can get some decent pieces and try again with players that have that championship mentality(KD, Patty, etc)

[Hello Brooklyn]

Wasn't the whole point of getting Harden to be insurance for Kyrie though?

Like we always knew Kyrie was kind of nuts. And we had confidence this team could win a Championship without him.

But Harden has not been as good as advertised. Playing like a shell of himself, out of shape and always injured.

We are talking about one of the greatest players in NBA history. And he fell off a cliff.

[Prokorov]

It all started going downhill when Kyrie refused to get vaccinated to start the season.
That put a lot of stress/negative cloud on the entire team, not to mention KD + Harden were playing HEAVY minutes.
We can't simply sweep that fact under the rug. It 100% started because of his bull.

Only, that isnt really true... we started out 15-5. the best start to a season in Nets franchise history. There was no cloud/stress holding this team back. It was all "we just need Kyrie back for the playoffs".

Then the injuries started to pile up, Harden started to pout/give up on the team, then you sprinkle in Nash's ineptitude and this is what you get.

Harris injury marks the date when things started to go south. our offense went in the tank and we dropped to last in 3PM per game. Nash couldn''t figure out how to score without 4-5 shooters at all times. We struggle to beat even bad teams. we were winning but scraping by with KD carrying us on a huge minute load.

Kyrie has a huge chunk of blame in his hands. FACTS.

He doesnt. not close. its injuries and nash. We struggle with a healthy Harden/KD without elite spacing with no Harris. We struggled with Harden/Kyrie. We have had 2 stars for 95% of the season. We have had FAR less star/top end talent availability issues then most teams.

Kyrie getting the shot wouldnt have changed much at all. We played well before Kyrie came back.

Does that excuse Harden's actions? NOPE.
Harden, who's supposed to be MVP level player has not really delivered that consistently as a NET.
Always some excuse why he isn't performing where we need him to be. KD has been carrying for a while now.
The last 2-3 weeks Harden's effort has been PATHETIC. Why does he give up on the rest of his teammates because of Kyrie/Whoever?
The first sign of trouble and he wants to bail? **** that weak ****.

Harden carried us for big portions of last season. i dont find it a valid criticism to say "your not playing like an MVP". he until the new year was still giving us all-nba effort despite refs targeting him. he is clearly slowed by injury as well. And really, for any of these guys, its near impossible to overcome nash incompetance.

At this point idgaf about Kyrie and Harden, they can both **** off.
I hope we can get some decent pieces and try again with players that have that championship mentality(KD, Patty, etc)

KD's mentality is no better then those other guys. they all want to win. its hard to navigate that with a moron coach, injury to your best player, and covid mandates

[Prokorov]

Wasn't the whole point of getting Harden to be insurance for Kyrie though?

Like we always knew Kyrie was kind of nuts. And we had confidence this team could win a Championship without him.

But Harden has not been as good as advertised. Playing like a shell of himself, out of shape and always injured.

We are talking about one of the greatest players in NBA history. And he fell off a cliff.

I mean, he had an injury thats takes time and he didnt give it time... he tried to play on it clearly badly injured in the playoffs. that gave him little/no recovery time and a coach who absued him 40 minutes.

He may have still lost a step too, but its not just that. injuries and officiating factor in as well.

Nash also does not play these guys to their strengths. he is a huge handicap

[jibba jones]

Its depressing that no one else here (including Prokorov) sees a problem with this...

[Jay555]

No surprise there. Kyrie apologists defend him to death.

I am tired of it and will save the energy for better things.

Putting Kyrie/Harden's issues aside, let's clear our head and get back to the topic.

No, as it stands we are not going to win it all this year except

Scenario 1 - Harden to 76ers trade materializes which nets us Simmons/Curry picks etc. Kyrie becomes full time etc.

Scenario 2 - Harden stays. Every one gets healthy. Kyrie becomes full time. We add some much needed pieces via buyout or trade.

[Prokorov]

No surprise there. Kyrie apologists defend him to death.

I am tired of it and will save the energy for better things.

Putting Kyrie/Harden's issues aside, let's clear our head and get back to the topic.

No, as it stands we are not going to win it all this year except

Scenario 1 - Harden to 76ers trade materializes which nets us Simmons/Curry picks etc. Kyrie becomes full time etc.

Scenario 2 - Harden stays. Every one gets healthy. Kyrie becomes full time. We add some much needed pieces via buyout or trade.

we need full healthy. Or some scenario were nash is fired, but i dont see that. a good coach could win with 2.5 stars here. nash cant. he likely cant win with all three.

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but Nash entering CoViD protocol for a few games would be a good test to see how the assistant coaches perform and how the players respond to that.

I'm not particularly impressed with Vaughn, but it should be reasonable to assume that with more experience on the bench, he should have even just a marginally better handle on game management, lineups/match-ups/substitutions/PT management, and rudimentary Xs-&-Os.

This coming homestand without the Big 3 (ergo, without superstar egos) would be an opportune time to try out something like that.