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Post#261 » by Jay555 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:35 am

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gigantes wrote:Undermentioned to me is how much harder Kyrie makes things for his teammates.

Kyrie has betrayed this team for his own needs & personal devices for two seasons now. I.e., going in and out of the lineup as his feelings suit him, leaving a black hole in equivalent talent, forcing our other top players to play significantly more minutes than they should, and inevitably getting injured or underperforming.

Harden, Harris, KD... all directly impacted by Kyrie's unpredictable nature, putting more wear, tear & frustration on them, which tends to build up over time.

Nash isn't helping of course, but the more this whole situation hits me, the more I think Bill is right. I.e. there's no longer any polite nor rational reason to keep the gloves on when it comes to Kyrie.

Because when the house is on fire, when your buddies are in the foxhole, when your family desperately needs you in life, that's when you bloody well step up in life, mate.

Kyrie has let absolutely everyone who counted on him as a professional basketball player down, but haha... no problem for him, anyway. Mister multi-millionaire anti-vaxxer will be okay on a personal level. More time to spend in his mansion playing with his expensive toys. Congrats, Kyrie-- played us good, didn't you? Must be nice.


right it is kyrie who is unpredictable, not a once in 100 years pandemic. there is absolutely nothing selfish about what Kyrie did. He made a personal health choice. the selfishness is fans like you who expect people to put their choices and beleifs and families aside so you can be more entertained watching sports on TV. disgusting.

Playing with his expensive toys? dude donates and helps the community more in a day then you will in 10 lifetimes.

get off your high horse and have some effing perspective.

Lol... my god, you are living inside your own head like no other, dude.

First of all-- you don't know me, you don't know what I contribute to my local community, you have no metrics, and pity the fool who equates scamming one source to 'benevolently hand out things to another' a credit to their community, or a model for society.

Every Robber-Baron and grifter with a PR dept learned that lesson long ago, Proky. Probably back to Mesopotamian Times (or earlier) when it comes down to it. I.e., do you know your basic history? (because it kinda sounds like you don't)

"Personal Health Choice," my ass. Dude's a flat-out whack-job narcissistic, and you're only getting worse. Maybe add Joe Rogan for the lulz?

Maybe the most unfortunate thing of all--
you really haven't learned a single godamn thing from all this, have you?


Dude, you are wasting your time & energy trying to talk Prok into senses on the Kyrie matter. It drains the energy out of you.

The best option for you is to avoid it altogeher. It's not worth it.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

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Post#263 » by GYK » Tue Feb 8, 2022 5:28 am

With talks of Grant for Joe/Nic I’m more than pleased. He is good enough to play big minutes. That 36mpg mark is crucial. He fits next to the others and is a quality defender. Still would add Cam/Bruce/Carter for Kuzma. Look on the buyout market for Tristan, Favors and Ibaka. Or a combo of those bigs. We just need garbage men, bangers who can screen, defend the paint/post somewhat and rebound.
Lastly I would just like to look at a small trade for someone like Torrey Craig.

Harden-Craig-Grant-Kuzma-Buyout
Relived by Patty/Kessler/LMA/Sharpe
Is more than enough to keep us afloat and actually might go on a run. Actually if we were to get bring in Grant/Kuzma and the others I would expect our post ASG record to be the best in the league.

It would suck to lose Joe but suck even more, well it’s not comparable, to lose Harden. If we were to use to TPE’s there would be a possibility to keep Joe(maybe we could get Kuzma from the Spencer TPE. Effectively freeing up the Cam/Carter/Brown package for another wing. The same with the DJ TPE or even a big). but even still his contract could get us a more catalyst player on either end. It’s just unfortunate but due to our own neglect. We knew we were moving Spencer last season and the writing was on the wall for DJ. That’s too many quality contracts(regardless of player) we let walk. Not to mention the bizarre build this off-season.

Nevertheless a end of game lineup of
Harden-Kyrie-Durant-Grant-Kuzma would cover all basis and wreck havoc.
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Post#264 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 7:10 am

I've shared this proposal a couple of other places, let's make enough noise to bring it to Marks' attention, shall we? This is a trade tailor made to Sean's sensibilities, with former Spurs players who provide shooting, low usage and low maintenance. I don't think that any one player can reset the toxic culture in our locker room, it's gonna take a GM-anointed coalition.

Here's the deal:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/j5ULWzuoYxQiIm/no-joe-no-jerami-no-problem

We trade Carter/Johnson/Millsap/28BRK1st for Green/Joseph/Lyles. The risk is the pick, while the upside is stronger, more playoff-durable depth, when the games slow down and spacing is crucial.

Let me know what you think, thanks!
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Post#265 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 7:15 am

Depth chart would be:

Irving, Harden, Harris, Durant, Claxton
Mills, Joseph, Green, Lyles, Aldridge
Brown, Thomas, Bembry, Griffin, Sharpe
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Post#266 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 8, 2022 7:24 am

When teams form a superteam, analysts usually say that it wont work because there is not enough ball to keep everyone happy. And usually superteams prove them wrong, but I just dont see it for the Nets.

Harden has always been an MVP candidate. A player arguably a better scorer than MJ a couple of seasons ago. He is the face of Adidas basketball. And you think he’ll be happy as a third option behind Kyrie and KD?

I dont think it’s Kyrie that lead to Harden wanting out. It’s the set-up of the team. It just doesn’t makes sense on a team building standpoint to have 3 ball dominant superstar scorers.

I think Nets should let Harden go. But I do understand if Nets would want a lot for Harden.

I like some of the ideas here of Ben and picks. Then you can ship those Sixers picks and Nets players (cam thomas?) for borderline stars like Jerami Grant. Whereas you’ll have Ben & Grant to compliment Kyrie and KD, which IMO would lead to a more balanced team.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#267 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:22 am

76ciology wrote:When teams form a superteam, analysts usually say that it wont work because there is not enough ball to keep everyone happy. And usually superteams prove them wrong, but I just dont see it for the Nets.

Harden has always been an MVP candidate. A player arguably a better scorer than MJ a couple of seasons ago. He is the face of Adidas basketball. And you think he’ll be happy as a third option behind Kyrie and KD?

I dont think it’s Kyrie that lead to Harden wanting out. It’s the set-up of the team. It just doesn’t makes sense on a team building standpoint to have 3 ball dominant superstar scorers.

I think Nets should let Harden go. But I do understand if Nets would want a lot for Harden.

I like some of the ideas here of Ben and picks. Then you can ship those Sixers picks and Nets players (cam thomas?) for borderline stars like Jerami Grant. Whereas you’ll have Ben & Grant to compliment Kyrie and KD, which IMO would lead to a more balanced team.

Nah, I'd rather keep our 3 top-20 players, and improve around the margins. We mostly just need a stretch of good health, and full participation. If we got improved coaching and role player shooting as well, that'd be even better. Either way, trading Harden for Simmons isn't going to improve us.
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Post#268 » by Fallout_3 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:34 am

Simmons + Jeremi Grant for Harden is something to think about.
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Post#269 » by Jay555 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 9:45 am

This guy knows Harden very well. Exactly what you should do to make Harden effective.

Instead, our roster is meh when not healthy.

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Post#270 » by HardenGoat » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:16 pm

Jay555 wrote:This guy knows Harden very well. Exactly what you should do to make Harden effective.

Instead, our roster is meh when not healthy.

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Exactly what we both have been saying. When you park Bembry or Johnson in a corner and the ball is kicked out or is passed around the perimeter and ends up in their hands they have to shoot it. Instead it’s a ball stopper sitting there. The ball comes back to Harden who has to do it again. It’s exhausting and frustrating. Plus those non shooters allow defenders to sag in the paint and block drives or lob/passes. It’s a broken system that doesn’t fit his offense. 40 minutes a night of this. Johnson has to go. Bembry should shoot the ball. Otherwise don’t put him there, he should only be a trailer on drives. We lack a corner shooter sometimes two with the rotations Nash has going on. Kessler is trying to learn on the fly here. Without Kyrie Mills is our only wing threat but things go south when he sits. This needs to be fixed right now. If we fixed that we would see more effective drives from Harden and better finishing with Claxton or Sharpe. When LMA is out there it’s a different look but he offers spacing by being a threat just outside the paint. We lack the players to make the system work, marks needs to get something done before Friday.
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Post#271 » by NetsWorld » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:27 pm

Fallout_3 wrote:Simmons + Jeremi Grant for Harden is something to think about.



Harris's name is being dangled out there, I wouldn't be surprised to see Marks going for Grant to pair with Harden/KD at home to try and remedy the situation. Kyrie/KD/Harden/Grant is more than scary. Grant is a shot creator and Detroit has been a willing trade partner these past couple of years so I am sure Marks could also try and pull a shocker no one sees from left field; And yes, this would change the narrative into Nets being extreme favorites again.
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Post#272 » by NetsWorld » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:29 pm

GYK wrote:With talks of Grant for Joe/Nic I’m more than pleased. He is good enough to play big minutes. That 36mpg mark is crucial. He fits next to the others and is a quality defender. Still would add Cam/Bruce/Carter for Kuzma. Look on the buyout market for Tristan, Favors and Ibaka. Or a combo of those bigs. We just need garbage men, bangers who can screen, defend the paint/post somewhat and rebound.
Lastly I would just like to look at a small trade for someone like Torrey Craig.

Harden-Craig-Grant-Kuzma-Buyout
Relived by Patty/Kessler/LMA/Sharpe
Is more than enough to keep us afloat and actually might go on a run. Actually if we were to get bring in Grant/Kuzma and the others I would expect our post ASG record to be the best in the league.

It would suck to lose Joe but suck even more, well it’s not comparable, to lose Harden. If we were to use to TPE’s there would be a possibility to keep Joe(maybe we could get Kuzma from the Spencer TPE. Effectively freeing up the Cam/Carter/Brown package for another wing. The same with the DJ TPE or even a big). but even still his contract could get us a more catalyst player on either end. It’s just unfortunate but due to our own neglect. We knew we were moving Spencer last season and the writing was on the wall for DJ. That’s too many quality contracts(regardless of player) we let walk. Not to mention the bizarre build this off-season.

Nevertheless a end of game lineup of
Harden-Kyrie-Durant-Grant-Kuzma would cover all basis and wreck havoc.


I am pretty sure Harris' name is being dangled because of Grant's availability on the market.
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Post#273 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:46 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:I've shared this proposal a couple of other places, let's make enough noise to bring it to Marks' attention, shall we? This is a trade tailor made to Sean's sensibilities, with former Spurs players who provide shooting, low usage and low maintenance. I don't think that any one player can reset the toxic culture in our locker room, it's gonna take a GM-anointed coalition.

Here's the deal:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/j5ULWzuoYxQiIm/no-joe-no-jerami-no-problem

We trade Carter/Johnson/Millsap/28BRK1st for Green/Joseph/Lyles. The risk is the pick, while the upside is stronger, more playoff-durable depth, when the games slow down and spacing is crucial.

Let me know what you think, thanks!


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Post#274 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Feb 8, 2022 1:52 pm

a three team trade with Simmons/Grant coming to us, Harden to Philly, and Harris, Claxton, and Thybulle going to Detroit works. However, I think multiple firsts have to be heading to Detroit to make them agree to it. We might have to give up Cam or Sharpe as well.

A Simmons/Kyrie/KD/Grant core is a lot more dynamic than what we have now.
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Post#275 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Feb 8, 2022 2:31 pm

Harden for Simmons trade will kill any chance we have left this year.

I'm totally against it.

Simmons will take 2-3 weeks to ramp up. Which means we would literally have nobody for home games.

Kyrie is not going to play in home games. Simmons + KD is not enough offense. We will not be good at all.

We still have all the leverage in the off season. Philly doesn't have cap space. They have to trade us Simmons for Harden.

There is no shot any team takes Harris's massive salary without taking any contracts back.

We can then go into next season with full time Kyrie, assuming the mandate is repealed.

For now we just have to go with the team we have. And hope for the best.
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Post#276 » by JKiddy » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:22 pm

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Paradise wrote:Kyrie has nothing to do with Harden acting like a little bitch. He could’ve god forbid torn his ACL and this would’ve still been how this team looks with Harden. He’s showing all of the reasons people were sour on his exit with Houston. The 4 point game against the Kings was a DISGRACE. I’ve never seen a passive performance like that in a very long time.

He’s gotten so many opportunities to be himself, score 30-40-50-60 or take 30 shots but he wanted a free ride to relax as a member of the Big 3 and Nets. He came here out of shape and resulted into hamstring injuries derailing our championship run.

He is the ONLY member of the big 3 not to register one 40 point or 50 point home game in his entire tenure so far. Kyrie has virtually outplayed him even in all road games on both ends often and he’s only played so far in 10 games.

KD’s comments on the season and his injury during the KD podcast this week also shows a massive disconnect in desires. He clearly is far more invested here than Harden.

There’s really no excuse for Kyrie’s decision to affect Harden’s effort, desire and want to win when it hasn’t affected KD or the rest of the roster. It’s strictly on Harden being a diva and who he is.

Oh save that crap with Kyrie to yourself. He is THE F*** REASON this dumpsterfire is happening. From moment He came here s*** was happening, if you choose to close your eyes on it...cool but don't lie about it. Narcistic Dunning Kruger sole reason for all this s***.

Yes, Harden wanted a free ride the way KD did with GSW. Dude also 100% no bs taken when it comes to ball game. I'm not mad at him for wanting to leave, can it be done in better way, for sure it should've been handled much better. Other than that true pro.

Posted video in game thread, go listen harsh truth about that toxic waste that hyping anti Vax movement.

LBJ should've forced PG13 trade from the door. Instead of getting one ring, they could've had dynasty there in Cleveland.

You can be a man about this or be emotional. Choice is yours. Nothing you said makes rational sense. Kyrie is currently out there WITH Harden and he still can’t show up offensively when it matters. He looks like the second best player on the court even when Kyrie plays on the road only.

What does Kyrie have to do with his lack of aggressiveness, assertiveness offensively for a whole year as a Net?

He first blamed it on his hamstring and getting no offseason workouts, he ended up with COVID and now wants to be frustrated because OTHERS are injured?
I saw the report about how he’s disappointed about Joe Harris but how does that excuse interest in a divisional rival. You think that **** is cool?

He’s not the only star player who has to endure Kyrie as a part time player but he’s the first one with his foot out the door. Smells real corny to me.

I’m sure KD also re-signed expecting him to do the same but he’s clearly the one one without a ring and jumping off the team with KD injured, Joe injured, LaMarcus injured. Kyrie is anti vaxx or not still didn’t play as pathetically as Harden did against Minnesota or Sacramento.

Trying to make this a Kyrie problem is really asinine. This guy has made it clearly known since last year that this wasn’t a long term relationship. Both him and Kyrie are free agents and only one has shown more effort to be a Net long term regardless.

He simply could’ve re-signed an extension and talked to KD, ownership into moving Kyrie on but it seems he has his own motives that goes past that. The rumor is he simply doesn’t like being the second fiddle to even KD or Kyrie…even though he asked to be the point guard and has been given ample chances to be the “man” against the worst defenses he could ask for. Good luck in Philly, he will be destroyed doing this bull there.

Keep in mind, this man is eligible to sign the largest contract in NBA HISTORY! He’s got the best player in the world who is a world champion and MVP favorite when healthy by his side and he’s still unhappy. Wtf else do you need?


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Post#277 » by GTR11 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:22 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Harden for Simmons trade will kill any chance we have left this year.

I'm totally against it.

Simmons will take 2-3 weeks to ramp up. Which means we would literally have nobody for home games.

Kyrie is not going to play in home games. Simmons + KD is not enough offense. We will not be good at all.

We still have all the leverage in the off season. Philly doesn't have cap space. They have to trade us Simmons for Harden.

There is no shot any team takes Harris's massive salary without taking any contracts back.

We can then go into next season with full time Kyrie, assuming the mandate is repealed.

For now we just have to go with the team we have. And hope for the best.


I still remember Ben enucliating our team without Biid during PO. I wouldn't say he's liability you'd make him to be. With that said, right situation is needed.
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Post#278 » by GTR11 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:25 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:a three team trade with Simmons/Grant coming to us, Harden to Philly, and Harris, Claxton, and Thybulle going to Detroit works. However, I think multiple firsts have to be heading to Detroit to make them agree to it. We might have to give up Cam or Sharpe as well.

A Simmons/Kyrie/KD/Grant core is a lot more dynamic than what we have now.


We going to get raped either way. Add Curry or Thybulle and I'm OK with it.

We going to need a coach with strong personality. God help us.
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Post#279 » by NetsWorld » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:32 pm

Mccolum, another domino which fell is going to be traded to NOP. I seriously hope Marks doesn't think in our present state we will win without changes.
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Post#280 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:34 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Harden for Simmons trade will kill any chance we have left this year.

I'm totally against it.

Simmons will take 2-3 weeks to ramp up. Which means we would literally have nobody for home games.

Kyrie is not going to play in home games. Simmons + KD is not enough offense. We will not be good at all.

We still have all the leverage in the off season. Philly doesn't have cap space. They have to trade us Simmons for Harden.

There is no shot any team takes Harris's massive salary without taking any contracts back.

We can then go into next season with full time Kyrie, assuming the mandate is repealed.

For now we just have to go with the team we have. And hope for the best.


I'm against any Simmons on the Nets trade this season, with a disclaimer:

-If we can reroute Simmons for someone like Fox, Towns, or Colloins + Bogs + Huerter id consider that. that would still give us a punchers chance this year

Otherwise Harden for Simmons will still be there in the offseason. I'd rather keep Harden for a run this year and get "only" simmons in the offseason then get Simmons + Curry + filler now.

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