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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#281 » by GTR11 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:40 pm

KD35Netted wrote:Mccolum, another domino which fell is going to be traded to NOP. I seriously hope Marks doesn't think in our present state we will win without changes.

Only dumb fu** can't see the blue print here. Toby will be salary filler for Dame, Ben/Thybulle/Maxey will be used to clear up cap space.

If you think this is bad... think again.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#282 » by NetsWorld » Tue Feb 8, 2022 3:51 pm

GTR11 wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:Mccolum, another domino which fell is going to be traded to NOP. I seriously hope Marks doesn't think in our present state we will win without changes.

Only dumb fu** can't see the blue print here. Toby will be salary filler for Dame, Ben/Thybulle/Maxey will be used to clear up cap space.

If you think this is bad... think again.


So what moves could we potentially make then? What’s good about this for us?
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#283 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 5:08 pm

KD35Netted wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:Mccolum, another domino which fell is going to be traded to NOP. I seriously hope Marks doesn't think in our present state we will win without changes.

Only dumb fu** can't see the blue print here. Toby will be salary filler for Dame, Ben/Thybulle/Maxey will be used to clear up cap space.

If you think this is bad... think again.


So what moves could we potentially make then? What’s good about this for us?


A lot depending what direction we want to go...

Harris makes 20 million. if you add Milsap/Brown/Carter to that you are around 30 million. you could match about 36 million in incoming salary with that. We could add 1 first round pick, 2 second round pick, Claxton and rookies from a value perspective. We could likely get a good player who is overpaid, but better/healthier then Joe. Like Tobias Harris would make sense if not for the whole Harden thing...

We could for instance do (or subset of):
Joe
Brown/Milsap/Carter
Claxton
Cam
1st

And Get back one of these guys:
Mike Conley
Tobias Harris (yea, i know)
John Wall (yeah, I know)
Julius Randle
Buddy Hield (2/40)
Harrison Barnes
Terry Rozier(3/60M)
Gallinari (2/40M)
Marcus Smart (4/75)
Porzingas (2/70)
Myles Turner (1/18)
Marcus Morris (2/34)
D'Angello Russell (1/32)
Eric Gordon (1/22)

A smaller trade... where we deal Milsap/Brown/Carter + minor asset OR use the TPE + seconds could get us maybe:

DJ Augustin
Terrance Ross

Buyout Candidates:

Ibaka
Eric Bledsoe
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#284 » by GTR11 » Tue Feb 8, 2022 5:23 pm

KD35Netted wrote:
GTR11 wrote:
KD35Netted wrote:Mccolum, another domino which fell is going to be traded to NOP. I seriously hope Marks doesn't think in our present state we will win without changes.

Only dumb fu** can't see the blue print here. Toby will be salary filler for Dame, Ben/Thybulle/Maxey will be used to clear up cap space.

If you think this is bad... think again.


So what moves could we potentially make then? What’s good about this for us?

Blazers giving up players for nothing is something no one expected. This is bad, I mean very bad!!!

Best case, Kyrie gets vaccinated or mandate will be lifted. Than again, how much he f*** it up with Harden?

Settle for Ben and whatever that will Morey gives us.

Harden just walks.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#285 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Feb 8, 2022 6:05 pm

Portland and Indiana are having a firesale.

Marks needs to use the TPE to get something. Please.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#286 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 7:29 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Portland and Indiana are having a firesale.

Marks needs to use the TPE to get something. Please.


Indy isnt having a firesale. They got positive value on a negative player in Levert. great deal. And then they got Haliburton for a steal. Indy reloaded. if anything the kings sold off on that deal,
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Post#287 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Feb 8, 2022 7:58 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Portland and Indiana are having a firesale.

Marks needs to use the TPE to get something. Please.


Indy isnt having a firesale. They got positive value on a negative player in Levert. great deal. And then they got Haliburton for a steal. Indy reloaded. if anything the kings sold off on that deal,

Indy did an amazing job. They got great value for their guys, and cleared a frontcourt log jam by maximizing value on their healthy big, and banking on Turner returning to form.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#288 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:06 pm

If we do trade for an keep Ben, It will be interesting to see how it goes...

A) Ben is rejuvenated, free of stress, in a better place (Kyrie/KD are great shields from the media) Can but doesnt have to be a facilitator, and looking to prove philly wrong.

B) Ben is the headcase they said he was, trading him he is still depressed, NYC east him alive, he turtles again in the playoffs.

Big question is how much of all of this is on Ben in Philly vs. how much if it is him being the scapegoat for Doc/Embiid. dont get me wrong, Simmons played like turd and was a liability, but Embiid has been a career loser himself and has taken 0 accountability.

It probably is somewhere between A & B but could be fun if he is super motivated to prove people wrong...

Would be a unique fit. i dont love it, but it COULD work out where he starts at center and becomes a point guard when we go to the bench...

Kyrie | Curry | Bembry | KD | Simmons

Simmons | Mills | Curry | Johnson | Claxton

We could go heavy defense: Kyrie | Bembry | KD | Simmons | Claxton

We could go heavt shooting" Kyrie | Curry | Mills | Harris | KD

Alot of boom or bust... this season would be tough and a throw away probably though... Simmons hasnt played at all.. we would need to find chemistry, KD/Harris still hurt.

Nash would also probably play simmons at SF and have him sit in the corner and F it all up
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#289 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:11 pm

Trading for Simmons without a full time Kyrie will be a disaster.

KD cannot carry the offensive load by himself. Its going to be too much.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#290 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:14 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Trading for Simmons without a full time Kyrie will be a disaster.

KD cannot carry the offensive load by himself. Its going to be too much.


Yes, which is why id much rather do it in the offseason, even if we get JUST Simmons.

If we make the trade now, id want to re-route Simmons for Bogs + Collins or Fox + Holmes

Getting Curry would help. You can play Simmons at Center if you have good enough shooting.

Curry/Mills/KD is enough shooting... Curry/Mills/KD/Harris/Kyrie is GOAT shooting.

Curry is a must if we take simmons at the deadline and simmons is not re-routed
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#291 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:16 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Trading for Simmons without a full time Kyrie will be a disaster.

KD cannot carry the offensive load by himself. Its going to be too much.


Yes, which is why id much rather do it in the offseason, even if we get JUST Simmons.

If we make the trade now, id want to re-route Simmons for Bogs + Collins or Fox + Holmes

Getting Curry would help. You can play Simmons at Center if you have good enough shooting.

Curry/Mills/KD is enough shooting... Curry/Mills/KD/Harris/Kyrie is GOAT shooting.

Curry is a must if we take simmons at the deadline and simmons is not re-routed


Bogs + Collins and KD aint winning **** in the East w/o full time Kyrie.

I'll go down swinging with Harden. They will trade us Simmons in the off season.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#292 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:19 pm

Read on Twitter
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If the vaccine mandate is lifted for the state they have to lift it soon for the city. We might be able to get Kyrie back sooner than we think.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#293 » by Prokorov » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:25 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Hello Brooklyn wrote:Trading for Simmons without a full time Kyrie will be a disaster.

KD cannot carry the offensive load by himself. Its going to be too much.


Yes, which is why id much rather do it in the offseason, even if we get JUST Simmons.

If we make the trade now, id want to re-route Simmons for Bogs + Collins or Fox + Holmes

Getting Curry would help. You can play Simmons at Center if you have good enough shooting.

Curry/Mills/KD is enough shooting... Curry/Mills/KD/Harris/Kyrie is GOAT shooting.

Curry is a must if we take simmons at the deadline and simmons is not re-routed


Bogs + Collins and KD aint winning **** in the East w/o full time Kyrie.

I'll go down swinging with Harden. They will trade us Simmons in the off season.


I dont think that team wins a title, but it competes more then the version with Simmons.

As I've mentioned multiple times in both threads, I dont trade Harden at the deadline, even if that means i get "just" Simmons in the offseason or even lose Harden for nothing.

But if he IS traded, i like my chances with Curry + Bogs + Collins. I think KD can certainly get us to an ECF with that group plus Mills and Bembry regardless of Kyrie's status. Lets not forget what he did to a very good bucks team in the playoffs.

We certainly we go as far as last year. and with no mandate and Kyrie back that team could certainly win a title even if not title favorites.

Playoff KD and Playoff Kyrie are absolute animals.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#294 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Feb 8, 2022 8:45 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
Read on Twitter
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If the vaccine mandate is lifted for the state they have to lift it soon for the city. We might be able to get Kyrie back sooner than we think.

City should, but doesn't have to follow suit. The City mandate was in much earlier than the state mandate.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#295 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:39 am

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ecuhus1981 wrote:I've shared this proposal a couple of other places, let's make enough noise to bring it to Marks' attention, shall we? This is a trade tailor made to Sean's sensibilities, with former Spurs players who provide shooting, low usage and low maintenance. I don't think that any one player can reset the toxic culture in our locker room, it's gonna take a GM-anointed coalition.

Here's the deal:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/j5ULWzuoYxQiIm/no-joe-no-jerami-no-problem

We trade Carter/Johnson/Millsap/28BRK1st for Green/Joseph/Lyles. The risk is the pick, while the upside is stronger, more playoff-durable depth, when the games slow down and spacing is crucial.

Let me know what you think, thanks!


Why would Detroit take that deal?

They would do it for the future 1st round pick, as well as the additional capspace this summer. They are one of only a few teams that will have significant capspace, and this deal frees an additional $7mil for Detroit. That could be the difference between getting a 4th option, and signing a co-star for Cade.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#296 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:41 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:I've shared this proposal a couple of other places, let's make enough noise to bring it to Marks' attention, shall we? This is a trade tailor made to Sean's sensibilities, with former Spurs players who provide shooting, low usage and low maintenance. I don't think that any one player can reset the toxic culture in our locker room, it's gonna take a GM-anointed coalition.

Here's the deal:

https://fanspo.com/nba/s/nets/trades/j5ULWzuoYxQiIm/no-joe-no-jerami-no-problem

We trade Carter/Johnson/Millsap/28BRK1st for Green/Joseph/Lyles. The risk is the pick, while the upside is stronger, more playoff-durable depth, when the games slow down and spacing is crucial.

Let me know what you think, thanks!


Why would Detroit take that deal?

They would do it for the future 1st round pick, as well as the additional capspace this summer. They are one of only a few teams that will have significant capspace, and this deal frees an additional $7mil for Detroit. That could be the difference between getting a 4th option, and signing a co-star for Cade.


This is am absolutely awful trade. trading our only available first for... danny green?

stop.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#297 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:53 am

Who else is in the deal, did you check?

Also, what is your alternative, something that both Marks and the other team/s would do? You have talked about players you want, but I don't see you discussing what you would be willing to give in order to get them.
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#298 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:53 am

Bobby Marks on ESPN thinks Philly would be unwise to include anything more then Simmons/Korkmaz if they think they can clear the space and sign him outright.

He doesnt think that they are super confident in that... questions whats postering vs. whats real.

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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#299 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:56 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:Who else is in the deal, did you check?

Also, what is your alternative, something that both Marks and the other team/s would do? You have talked about players you want, but I don't see you discussing what you would be willing to give in order to get them.


-Milsap/2nd for Augustin.
-Thomas + 2nd for Terrance Ross (2 seperate deals utilizing our TPE.)
-Harris/Brown/2nds for Smart/Pritchard
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Re: Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread 

Post#300 » by ecuhus1981 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:30 am

Thanks you, now let's discuss your proposals.
Prokorov wrote:-Milsap/2nd for Augustin.

Yuck. I'm sure DJ's 40% 3pt shooting caught your eye, but did you check his +/- or his Off and Def rating? He's having the worst season of his career, he's shorter than Patty and worse than him on defense. You want 4 small guards on our roster to get blitzed on D at any and all times??? Besides, O don't even think Houston is looking to move Augustin. He's worth more to them than to us, as the only competent floor general on their roster. I don't think they would do it for just a 2nd, but even that would be a waste, and the additional luxury tax implications of bringing in a 4th string PG (yes, he's worse than Carter) are cost prohibitive.


Prokorov wrote:-Thomas + 2nd for Terrance Ross (2 seperate deals utilizing our TPE.)

Not possible, and anyway, you know that Marks isn't moving Cam. He loves him for whatever reason. But logistically, the deal fails. Ross doesn't fit inside our Dinwiddie TPE, and you can't combine outgoing salary with TPE's to match incoming salary. Besides, even if it could work, Terence sucks even worse than DJ, and you're gonna lecture me about Danny Green! At least Danny can hit a 3 and defend worth a darn!

Prokorov wrote:-Harris/Brown/2nds for Smart/Pritchard

This deal "works", but feasibly it really doesn't. Bruce Brown has a no trade clause because he signed his qualifying offer. Also, approving a trade would reset his Bird rights, he's not going to agree to this or just about any deal. You might as well kill the idea of him leaving this roster.

Boston isn't trading Smart for Harris and spare parts. They have refused FAR better offers for him than this, like Golden State offering the 7th pick, or Minnesota dangling Beverly, McDaniels and multiple future 1sts. The fact that your asking for Pritchard as well just adds insult to injury.
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