2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[augustine]

Can someone explain to me why they feel we need a C more than a combo guard? We are 2nd in offensive rebounding, 12th in rebounding, 10th in blocks, and Barnes seems to grow bigger every game. If we get a C, Barnes goes to the bench. Why do we want that? And then, we have Precious, Boucher, Khem all sitting behind Barnes on the bench.

We need a combo guard, as FVV and GTJ play too many minutes, and neither of them have a first step that allows them to drive to the lane for a layup or break the D. That is what we need. And, if we have a combo guard, we can get back to also playing small ball when the occasion warrants - FVV, GTJ, Guard, Barnes, Pascal - that is a great small ball lineup. The backup to the 1/2 is a 2nd round pick rookie. Surely that will not hold up in the playoffs.

[Mattatron]

I have a very uncomfortable feeling that we will end up with a Dragic + Min Salary Guy (Svi?) for Gallo deal which almost forces us to exercise Gallo's option for next season.

Gallo would be huge for us for the bench depth. Can shoot and pass without giving up a FRP. I'll take that.

[Morris_Shatford]

I have a very uncomfortable feeling that we will end up with a Dragic + Min Salary Guy (Svi?) for Gallo deal which almost forces us to exercise Gallo's option for next season.

Gallo would be huge for us for the bench depth. Can shoot and pass without giving up a FRP. I'll take that.

I think most warm bodies on other NBA benches would help us improve our bench depth
Its not that I think Gallo is bad, its more that I think we need more than one inbound bench piece.

In a perfect world we add a C off the bench and a combo guard off the bench, with Gallo your added a strong shooting 3/4 which is the positions that we have the most guys to be able to switch into as needed.

If you walk out of Thursday with Gallo for Dragic (plus whatever pieces are on either side) its not awful, but I am in the "we need quantity" stage as it pertains to our bench

[Morris_Shatford]

Can someone explain to me why they feel we need a C more than a combo guard? We are 2nd in offensive rebounding, 12th in rebounding, 10th in blocks, and Barnes seems to grow bigger every game. If we get a C, Barnes goes to the bench. Why do we want that? And then, we have Precious, Boucher, Khem all sitting behind Barnes on the bench.

I would argue with need both;
However I agree that we need a guard / shooting more.

The need for a five is entirely situational depending on who the other team has starting at the five, whereas the need for shooting and bench depth at the guard position is something we need every game.

[Mattatron]

I have a very uncomfortable feeling that we will end up with a Dragic + Min Salary Guy (Svi?) for Gallo deal which almost forces us to exercise Gallo's option for next season.

Gallo would be huge for us for the bench depth. Can shoot and pass without giving up a FRP. I'll take that.

I think most warm bodies on other NBA benches would help us improve our bench depth
Its not that I think Gallo is bad, its more that I think we need more than one inbound bench piece.

In a perfect world we add a C off the bench and a combo guard off the bench, with Gallo your added a strong shooting 3/4 which is the positions that we have the most guys to be able to switch into as needed.

If you walk out of Thursday with Gallo for Dragic (plus whatever pieces are on either side) its not awful, but I am in the "we need quality" stage as it pertains to our bench

true yeah i totally agree with you on that, but i think, we should pursue a big via FA and dont give up any of our assets. i was thinking about bigs for a while now, and no one rn is really intriguing for the price of a frp. patience is the key word. not really a fan of nurkic or turner (injured anyways)

[MikeM]

Can someone explain to me why they feel we need a C more than a combo guard? We are 2nd in offensive rebounding, 12th in rebounding, 10th in blocks, and Barnes seems to grow bigger every game. If we get a C, Barnes goes to the bench. Why do we want that? And then, we have Precious, Boucher, Khem all sitting behind Barnes on the bench.

We need a combo guard, as FVV and GTJ play too many minutes, and neither of them have a first step that allows them to drive to the lane for a layup or break the D. That is what we need. And, if we have a combo guard, we can get back to also playing small ball when the occasion warrants - FVV, GTJ, Guard, Barnes, Pascal - that is a great small ball lineup. The backup to the 1/2 is a 2nd round pick rookie. Surely that will not hold up in the playoffs.

I agree, man. Even a guy like Turner guards the perimeter worse than Achiuwa/Siakam. I just can't see our FO coveting a plodding big man.

The only thing with a guy like Turner is that he can shoot above the break 3s and the opponent has to put a smaller guy on Pascal. And you get to use Barnes off the bench as a ball handler.

But like a really traditional plodding big man? I just don't see it. Why not just go for more playmaking wings?

[Morris_Shatford]

Gallo would be huge for us for the bench depth. Can shoot and pass without giving up a FRP. I'll take that.

I think most warm bodies on other NBA benches would help us improve our bench depth
Its not that I think Gallo is bad, its more that I think we need more than one inbound bench piece.

In a perfect world we add a C off the bench and a combo guard off the bench, with Gallo your added a strong shooting 3/4 which is the positions that we have the most guys to be able to switch into as needed.

If you walk out of Thursday with Gallo for Dragic (plus whatever pieces are on either side) its not awful, but I am in the "we need quality" stage as it pertains to our bench

true yeah i totally agree with you on that, but i think, we should pursue a big via FA and dont give up any of our assets. i was thinking about bigs for a while now, and no one rn is really intriguing for the price of a frp. patience is the key word. not really a fan of nurkic or turner (injured anyways)

At this moment I am looking at the Kings,
To a much lesser extent Sabonis/Holmes may pose similar issues to Sabonis/Turner.

If there is a way we can somehow snag Holmes and that unicorn of a contract I would be over the moon.

But as that is unlikely, I tend to agree we could fix the five via the MLE this summer.
I just want to convert Dragic into salary for next season, with the tax threshold moving up we could in theory take on 15m of salary that snakes into next year, use the full MLE, sign our FRP, and retain Boucher while staying under the tax line.

[Zeno]

Why do people seem to want Heild who is horrible on defense but are against Gallo (who I admit is also horrible on defense). Gallo's contract at least offers flexibility next year

[Mattatron]

I think most warm bodies on other NBA benches would help us improve our bench depth
Its not that I think Gallo is bad, its more that I think we need more than one inbound bench piece.

In a perfect world we add a C off the bench and a combo guard off the bench, with Gallo your added a strong shooting 3/4 which is the positions that we have the most guys to be able to switch into as needed.

If you walk out of Thursday with Gallo for Dragic (plus whatever pieces are on either side) its not awful, but I am in the "we need quality" stage as it pertains to our bench

true yeah i totally agree with you on that, but i think, we should pursue a big via FA and dont give up any of our assets. i was thinking about bigs for a while now, and no one rn is really intriguing for the price of a frp. patience is the key word. not really a fan of nurkic or turner (injured anyways)

At this moment I am looking at the Kings,
To a much lesser extent Sabonis/Holmes may pose similar issues to Sabonis/Turner.

If there is a way we can somehow snag Holmes and that unicorn of a contract I would be over the moon.

But as that is unlikely, I tend to agree we could fix the five via the MLE this summer.
I just want to convert Dragic into salary for next season, with the tax threshold moving up we could in theory take on 15m of salary that snakes into next year, use the full MLE, sign our FRP, and retain Boucher while staying under the tax line.

Holmes is ok, solid contract, but i dont see the need for him with achiuwa, similar strengths, achiuwa is the better shooter with upside, maybe with less iq rn, but lets take us a step after another. no need to rush anything. i agree with you about dragic' situation. i really hope webster is working on some magic. do you think the frp is available ? is there any interesting player for us in the upcoming draft class ? the last time i checked the class, it was very wing heavy. we really dont need more wings.

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[Ell Curry]

Can someone explain to me why they feel we need a C more than a combo guard? We are 2nd in offensive rebounding, 12th in rebounding, 10th in blocks, and Barnes seems to grow bigger every game. If we get a C, Barnes goes to the bench. Why do we want that? And then, we have Precious, Boucher, Khem all sitting behind Barnes on the bench.

I would argue with need both;
However I agree that we need a guard / shooting more.

The need for a five is entirely situational depending on who the other team has starting at the five, whereas the need for shooting and bench depth at the guard position is something we need every game.

I don't think it has to be a guard per se, but we do need another scorer/shooter. So it could be Gallo or it could be Bogdanovic or whoever. Defensively we can play Trent on 1s and various guys on 2s.

[Morris_Shatford]

Holmes is ok, solid contract, but i dont see the need for him with achiuwa, similar strengths, achiuwa is the better shooter with upside, maybe with less iq rn, but lets take us a step after another. no need to rush anything.

Achiuwa likely gets there, but he isn't there now.
Holmes is not a core piece but simply a stop gap piece till Achiuwa or Prospect X is able to come in and claim that five spot for themselves.

The perk with Holmes is even if he hangs around for a season or two that contract is incredibly movable and he can be dealt when he is no longer needed.

i agree with you about dragic' situation. i really hope webster is working on some magic. do you think the frp is available ? is there any interesting player for us in the upcoming draft class ? the last time i checked the class, it was very wing heavy. we really dont need more wings.

I think our FO is always looking to add a piece;
12 months ago we were sitting here talking about moving Lowry for something and our limitless upside piece was OG with the hope that Siakam and FVV had another year, now today we are sitting here with Barnes and GTJ added into that mix as "core guys". Lots can change very quickly.

I suspect if Bobby and Masai can land a piece that us under 25 maybe with some control on a contract they could move the FRP, where I think the FRP is not on the table is to add a bunch of late 20 early 30s bench pieces.

The draft appears wing heavy, but with Masai I never put too much stock into mocks.
If we keep the pick we likely take some guy 80% of us will be googling a minutes after the pick is made.

[Consequence]

Holmes is ok, solid contract, but i dont see the need for him with achiuwa, similar strengths, achiuwa is the better shooter with upside, maybe with less iq rn, but lets take us a step after another. no need to rush anything. i agree with you about dragic' situation. i really hope webster is working on some magic. do you think the frp is available ? is there any interesting player for us in the upcoming draft class ? the last time i checked the class, it was very wing heavy. we really dont need more wings.

Look, I like Precious, he's fun in a lot of ways and is really good in motion defensively. But if you think that there isn't a huge gulf in offensive game between Holmes and Precious you're just off. Precious is shooting .449 on TWOS. Holmes is shooting .688, and that includes a lot more floaters than Precious is taking.

[Mattatron]

Holmes is ok, solid contract, but i dont see the need for him with achiuwa, similar strengths, achiuwa is the better shooter with upside, maybe with less iq rn, but lets take us a step after another. no need to rush anything. i agree with you about dragic' situation. i really hope webster is working on some magic. do you think the frp is available ? is there any interesting player for us in the upcoming draft class ? the last time i checked the class, it was very wing heavy. we really dont need more wings.

Look, I like Precious, he's fun in a lot of ways and is really good in motion defensively. But if you think that there isn't a huge gulf in offensive game between Holmes and Precious you're just off. Precious is shooting .449 on TWOS. Holmes is shooting .688, and that includes a lot more floaters than Precious is taking.

didnt notice that, the last time i checked holmes was maybe 2 or 3 years ago. but what if precious takes the next step over the summer after being nearly 3 years in the league

[Rapsfan07]

Can someone explain to me why they feel we need a C more than a combo guard? We are 2nd in offensive rebounding, 12th in rebounding, 10th in blocks, and Barnes seems to grow bigger every game. If we get a C, Barnes goes to the bench. Why do we want that? And then, we have Precious, Boucher, Khem all sitting behind Barnes on the bench.

We need a combo guard, as FVV and GTJ play too many minutes, and neither of them have a first step that allows them to drive to the lane for a layup or break the D. That is what we need. And, if we have a combo guard, we can get back to also playing small ball when the occasion warrants - FVV, GTJ, Guard, Barnes, Pascal - that is a great small ball lineup. The backup to the 1/2 is a 2nd round pick rookie. Surely that will not hold up in the playoffs.

Nothing wrong with sending Barnes to the bench. We need some playmaking there as well and as it is, we don't have many quality SFs on this team.

However I do agree with needing a combo guard. I've said this many times but Boucher for Coby White solves many problems for both teams.

[Raptorfan2012]

More of a hypothetical; is this the time where Masai will try to get Dame from the Trailblazers? A package involving FVV and OG maybe? I doubt Masai is going to touch our current core, but just brainstorming here.

[Ell Curry]

Holmes is ok, solid contract, but i dont see the need for him with achiuwa, similar strengths, achiuwa is the better shooter with upside, maybe with less iq rn, but lets take us a step after another. no need to rush anything. i agree with you about dragic' situation. i really hope webster is working on some magic. do you think the frp is available ? is there any interesting player for us in the upcoming draft class ? the last time i checked the class, it was very wing heavy. we really dont need more wings.

Look, I like Precious, he's fun in a lot of ways and is really good in motion defensively. But if you think that there isn't a huge gulf in offensive game between Holmes and Precious you're just off. Precious is shooting .449 on TWOS. Holmes is shooting .688, and that includes a lot more floaters than Precious is taking.

If we save a couple mil on the Dragic deal, then Precious, a 2nd and Birch for Holmes is kinda interesting now if they're buying Precious' shooting and ability to cover for Sabonis on defence. We lose a center, but not really many minutes.

[LoveMyRaps]

More of a hypothetical; is this the time where Masai will try to get Dame from the Trailblazers? A package involving FVV and OG maybe? I doubt Masai is going to touch our current core, but just brainstorming here.

Zero chance.
That trade also makes us a worse team.

[StopitLeo]

More of a hypothetical; is this the time where Masai will try to get Dame from the Trailblazers? A package involving FVV and OG maybe? I doubt Masai is going to touch our current core, but just brainstorming here.

I hope not.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Dragic, Boucher and a 2023 lotto protected first for Dinwiddie and Kuzma. We get length that can score that would fit well coming off the bench

A lineup of Barnes, Spencer, OG, Kuz, Precious gives us enough ball handlers and shooters to where we aren’t complete trash without one of Pascal/Fred on the floor.

If we can pick up another guard on the margins I’d be happy