Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA

[redeye514]

We aren't going to give up a FRP for a guy like Holmes and his contract... especially with the way Boucher has been playing.

He doesn't move the needle so why throw away an asset for him.

We badly need a jolt of scoring from a guard/forward position off the bench. Even then, I'm not giving up a FRP for it.

A little off topic, but I remember Alex Anthopolous was once talking about contract values… touching on how term / salary can be viewed as bad. But it can also be good. Having ‘control of asset / player’ has value of its the right player.

I bring this up simply because Holmes may be viewed as a valuable contract.. term at an ok number. And as long long as he outplays the contract value, he will remain a tradeable asset of value.. so giving up a FRP doesn’t really hurt our tradeable asset base that much.

I have no strong opinion as to whether Holmes will be really good or not. But we have been linked to him before. And if we’re now trading for him, I have to assume management sees something in him (as they did in GTJ), so I’m going to give it the benefit of the doubt. As a casual observer of his game, he does seem to fill some needs and is at an age that fits our core.

Holmes is a solid big no doubt and would fit in well. But the value of a FRP is just too great (especially in our timeline right now) to give up on someone like him when we have guys like Boucher already.

We keeping Boucher too! Long Boi lineup FTW!

8 man rotation of:

Holmes
Precious
Boucher
Siakam
Barnes
OG
GTJ
FVV

Who scores, and when??

Also.. maybe management thinks this draft sucks?

I dunno, all I know is that if Masai trades for Holmes, they see something and imma be hype.

[Tor_Raps]

Ruh-roh...Boban is DNP-CD tonight...


Jokes...Boban barely plays anyways...lol

You joke but I actually like Boban and thinks he should be playing 15MPG for most teams. Dudes per minute numbers have been elite for his whole career lol.

[mtcan]

Ruh-roh...Boban is DNP-CD tonight...


Jokes...Boban barely plays anyways...lol

You joke but I actually like Boban and thinks he should be playing 15MPG for most teams lol.

Doesn't it only make sense that a team that wants to be big at all positions...goes after the biggest center in the league?

[mihaic]

Holmes and Bagley not playing, their contracts amount to ~21 mil.

What do you guys think? lol

[PhilBlackson]

Hope it's a three-way deal with Houston. Eric Gordon doesn't do it for me.

Gordon has been lights out, would be a much needed 6th man scorer off the bench since our forwards at least have Achuiwa, Boucher & Birch. Not ideal but they at least get 2 seconds to breathe. EG would be one of the best 6th men in the league right now (he did just win that couple years ago) vs Goran doing nothing but trying to embarrass us in Miami.

[mtcan]

Holmes and Bagley not playing, their contracts amount to ~21 mil.

What do you guys think? lol

I already put it out there today: Dragic and Flynn for Holmes and Bagley

[tecumseh18]

Houston wants a 1st for Gordon but our is too good for that. OKC has the Suns 1st and has a ton of space. Maybe we send Dragic and our pick to OKC for someone (probably not getting Dort but maybe Kenrich Williams) and OKC sends Suns 1st to Houston to get us Gordon. Need to send Houston Svi to make room for 15th spot under the tax.

So Dragic, Svi and 1st for Gordon,Kenrich Williams

Yeah, I think OKC and its need to spend up to the salary floor is the potential linchpin to a deal here. We need a bench, and they have a lot of decent players who will only help them win more games. But if we're giving up our 2022 FRP, then I want Dort. And Williams. And Muscala. Along with Gordon from Houston. I want to completely remake the Raptors bench.

Send out Svi and Yuta to OKC and the Rockets. Or if we want Favors instead of Muscala and Williams, add Birch to the deal to stay under the tax.

It all works on ESPN trade machine. We can throw in an extra second rounder to OKC.

[Zeno]

Houston wants a 1st for Gordon but our is too good for that. OKC has the Suns 1st and has a ton of space. Maybe we send Dragic and our pick to OKC for someone (probably not getting Dort but maybe Kenrich Williams) and OKC sends Suns 1st to Houston to get us Gordon. Need to send Houston Svi to make room for 15th spot under the tax.

So Dragic, Svi and 1st for Gordon,Kenrich Williams

svi's salary would not affect the salary cap at all because he is signed to a minimum contract

minimum salaries count against the tax.

[Tor_Raps]

Ruh-roh...Boban is DNP-CD tonight...


Jokes...Boban barely plays anyways...lol

You joke but I actually like Boban and thinks he should be playing 15MPG for most teams lol.

Doesn't it only make sense that a team that wants to be big at all positions...goes after the biggest center in the league?

Yuppp... instead we seem to go small at the most important position where it helps to be big lol.

Boban is great insurance against guys like Embiid/Jokic/Gobert. Just play zone defense for the brief stretch he plays and you're golden.

[dgr81]

Houston wants a 1st for Gordon but our is too good for that. OKC has the Suns 1st and has a ton of space. Maybe we send Dragic and our pick to OKC for someone (probably not getting Dort but maybe Kenrich Williams) and OKC sends Suns 1st to Houston to get us Gordon. Need to send Houston Svi to make room for 15th spot under the tax.

So Dragic, Svi and 1st for Gordon,Kenrich Williams

Yeah, I think OKC and its need to spend up to the salary floor is the potential linchpin to a deal here. We need a bench, and they have a lot of decent players who will only help them win more games. But if we're giving up our 2022 FRP, then I want Dort. And Williams. And Muscala. Along with Gordon from Houston. I want to completely remake the Raptors bench.

Send out Svi and Yuta to OKC and the Rockets. Or if we want Favors instead of Muscala and Williams, add Birch to the deal to stay under the tax.

It all works on ESPN trade machine. We can throw in an extra second rounder to OKC.

Trading Svi and Yuta makes no difference to the Raptors tax line since they are both minimum salary players.

[dgr81]

Houston wants a 1st for Gordon but our is too good for that. OKC has the Suns 1st and has a ton of space. Maybe we send Dragic and our pick to OKC for someone (probably not getting Dort but maybe Kenrich Williams) and OKC sends Suns 1st to Houston to get us Gordon. Need to send Houston Svi to make room for 15th spot under the tax.

So Dragic, Svi and 1st for Gordon,Kenrich Williams

svi's salary would not affect the salary cap at all because he is signed to a minimum contract

minimum salaries count against the tax.

Not when they are traded

[Zeno]

Houston wants a 1st for Gordon but our is too good for that. OKC has the Suns 1st and has a ton of space. Maybe we send Dragic and our pick to OKC for someone (probably not getting Dort but maybe Kenrich Williams) and OKC sends Suns 1st to Houston to get us Gordon. Need to send Houston Svi to make room for 15th spot under the tax.

So Dragic, Svi and 1st for Gordon,Kenrich Williams

Yeah, I think OKC and its need to spend up to the salary floor is the potential linchpin to a deal here. We need a bench, and they have a lot of decent players who will only help them win more games. But if we're giving up our 2022 FRP, then I want Dort. And Williams. And Muscala. Along with Gordon from Houston. I want to completely remake the Raptors bench.

Send out Svi and Yuta to OKC and the Rockets. Or if we want Favors instead of Muscala and Williams, add Birch to the deal to stay under the tax.

It all works on ESPN trade machine. We can throw in an extra second rounder to OKC.

I don't think you get Dort for swapping Suns pick for ours. The other guys sure.

[HangTime]

Holmes and Bagley not playing, their contracts amount to ~21 mil.

What do you guys think? lol

I already put it out there today: Dragic and Flynn for Holmes and Bagley

I wonder if Management is asking Gary about Bagley. Maybe he can give them some insight from their college days.

[Tor_Raps]

Holmes and Bagley not playing, their contracts amount to ~21 mil.

What do you guys think? lol

I already put it out there today: Dragic and Flynn for Holmes and Bagley

If we can get those 2 while giving up 2 useless players, it would be amazing. I assume you added a 1st rounder to make that trade even remotely possible.

[WuTang_CMB]

A little off topic, but I remember Alex Anthopolous was once talking about contract values… touching on how term / salary can be viewed as bad. But it can also be good. Having ‘control of asset / player’ has value of its the right player.

I bring this up simply because Holmes may be viewed as a valuable contract.. term at an ok number. And as long long as he outplays the contract value, he will remain a tradeable asset of value.. so giving up a FRP doesn’t really hurt our tradeable asset base that much.

I have no strong opinion as to whether Holmes will be really good or not. But we have been linked to him before. And if we’re now trading for him, I have to assume management sees something in him (as they did in GTJ), so I’m going to give it the benefit of the doubt. As a casual observer of his game, he does seem to fill some needs and is at an age that fits our core.

Holmes is a solid big no doubt and would fit in well. But the value of a FRP is just too great (especially in our timeline right now) to give up on someone like him when we have guys like Boucher already.

We keeping Boucher too! Long Boi lineup FTW!

8 man rotation of:

Holmes
Precious
Boucher
Siakam
Barnes
OG
GTJ
FVV

Who scores, and when??

Also.. maybe management thinks this draft sucks?

I dunno, all I know is that if Masai trades for Holmes, they see something and imma be hype.

A 2nd sure ... not a 1st lol again, we can easily flop in the standings back to 8 and lose in first round. What we gotta show for it? Losing our FRP for Holmes? Just bad business.

[tecumseh18]

svi's salary would not affect the salary cap at all because he is signed to a minimum contract

minimum salaries count against the tax.

Not when they are traded

What are you talking about? What's different about trading a minimum salary?

[mtcan]

Holmes and Bagley not playing, their contracts amount to ~21 mil.

What do you guys think? lol

I already put it out there today: Dragic and Flynn for Holmes and Bagley

If we can get those 2 while giving up 2 useless players, it would be amazing. I assume you added a 1st rounder to make that trade even remotely possible.

LOL...sure...top 25 protected.

[AbC?]

If the Raptors want to spend money they could do:

Dragic + Svi + 2023 2nd (protected top 45) + maximum cash considerations (~5 mill, to help buy out Dragic) for Gary Harris

Saves Orlando a good chunk of change and they get a 2nd round pick out of it. Raptors get a veteran rental that can soak up some minutes from the starters.

[dgr81]

minimum salaries count against the tax.

Not when they are traded

What are you talking about? What's different about trading a minimum salary?

Actually I might be wrong, and you and Zeno might be right.

There is a minimum salary exception for traded players, but it might not affect the receiving team.

[BlackThought]

We can use a big but our biggest need is a perimeter scorer off the bench to eat up minutes for Fred.