2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

[Sgt Major]

Jokic coasted again, as the Nuggets blew the Knicks out.

[darmani]

The guy no one wants to consider for MVP (Booker) just outplayed Embiid and beat him on his home court while coming off a tough B2B

Take cp3 away. See how good booker is. Come on man. Cp3 is who really drives the suns.

He’s healthy for now. That’s the only reason the clippers and the rockets with cp3 lost. Cp3 for injured all those playoff series.

Yes CP3 is also a top mvp candidate. Having two candidates is a big reason why phx is tracking to 67 wins while teams with only one candidate are tracking towards 45-48 wins like the Sixers/Nuggets.

Are we really going to discount what Bookers doing because his backcourt mate is having an awesome but slightly less impactful season? Do we not realize how hard it is to add more wins as your percentage goes up this high? There is a massive gap between a 67 win team vs a 45-48 win team (Nuggets/Sixers)

The point of the nba is to win games, and the players who help their teams win the most games should be rewarded.
Right now there should be three serious candidates: Booker, Steph and CP3. I expect the Bucks will get their **** together by seasons end, bringing Giannis to the top of the conversation. But right now, respectfully, discussing teams having mediocre sub 50 win seasons as leading the MVP race is insane. Those players should definitely be discussed as having historic seasons or best player in the nba type seasons, but a sub 50 win team should not be part of the mvp conversation when there are currently two teams with mvp candidates that are Winning games.

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[Dutchball97]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

[Crives]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

MVP is not best player award

[kuclas]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

God forbid cp3 has long term injury

But if cp3 goes out with 20 game injury and booker can maintain the same Win pace. Than I would give him consideration.

He’s just never been that guy.

Some players are just better as 1B players like Anthony Davis.
That’s what booker really is. A 1B player. Nothing wrong with that.

Even kyrie is a great 1B player. That’s why he chose to sign with the nets with KD. We have seen kyrie record as the 1A player. It’s not pretty.

[Crives]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

God forbid cp3 has long term injury

But if cp3 goes out with 20 game injury and booker can maintain the same Win pace. Than I would give him consideration.

He’s just never been that guy.

Some players are just better as 1B players like Anthony Davis.
That’s what booker really is. A 1B player. Nothing wrong with that.

Even kyrie is a great 1B player. That’s why he chose to sign with the nets with KD. We have seen kyrie record as the 1A player. It’s not pretty.

“He’s just never been that guy”
What? Did you not watch Booker outplay Lebron in the playoffs and lead phx to victory when CP3 couldn’t even dribble a ball? Did you watch the Philly/suns game last night? Booker was better then CP3.

[Woodsanity]

I would have both Booker and CP3 4 and 5 respectively. Best team record, very good individual stats but not MVP numbers. Could win in a very weak MVP year but I don't consider this year a weak mvp year. Also they are going to steal votes from each since both are on the same team.

Giannis, Embiid, Jokic have all time great numbers this year albeit with a worse team record.

[Cubbies2120]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

God forbid cp3 has long term injury

But if cp3 goes out with 20 game injury and booker can maintain the same Win pace. Than I would give him consideration.

He’s just never been that guy.

Some players are just better as 1B players like Anthony Davis.
That’s what booker really is. A 1B player. Nothing wrong with that.

Even kyrie is a great 1B player. That’s why he chose to sign with the nets with KD. We have seen kyrie record as the 1A player. It’s not pretty.

“He’s just never been that guy”
What? Did you not watch Booker outplay Lebron in the playoffs and lead phx to victory when CP3 couldn’t even dribble a ball? Did you watch the Philly/suns game last night? Booker was better then CP3.

CP3 is the reason Booker finally sniffed the playoffs. He raises their floor, because he makes everyone around him better.

Unless you want to argue that Booker makes his teammates better to a higher degree than CP3 does?

[Dutchball97]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

MVP is not best player award

It isn't just best team record award either.

[Crives]

While I do think Booker is having the best year of his career so far and is a huge part for the success of the Suns, I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would be willing to argue Booker is among the very best players in the league at the moment.

MVP is not best player award

It isn't just best team record award either.

Completely agree.

[Crives]

God forbid cp3 has long term injury

But if cp3 goes out with 20 game injury and booker can maintain the same Win pace. Than I would give him consideration.

He’s just never been that guy.

Some players are just better as 1B players like Anthony Davis.
That’s what booker really is. A 1B player. Nothing wrong with that.

Even kyrie is a great 1B player. That’s why he chose to sign with the nets with KD. We have seen kyrie record as the 1A player. It’s not pretty.

“He’s just never been that guy”
What? Did you not watch Booker outplay Lebron in the playoffs and lead phx to victory when CP3 couldn’t even dribble a ball? Did you watch the Philly/suns game last night? Booker was better then CP3.

CP3 is the reason Booker finally sniffed the playoffs. He raises their floor, because he makes everyone around him better.

Unless you want to argue that Booker makes his teammates better to a higher degree than CP3 does?

I think your missing my argument.
I think CP3 is having a mvp type impact on the suns.
I just think Booker is having a bigger impact.

[Cubbies2120]

“He’s just never been that guy”
What? Did you not watch Booker outplay Lebron in the playoffs and lead phx to victory when CP3 couldn’t even dribble a ball? Did you watch the Philly/suns game last night? Booker was better then CP3.

CP3 is the reason Booker finally sniffed the playoffs. He raises their floor, because he makes everyone around him better.

Unless you want to argue that Booker makes his teammates better to a higher degree than CP3 does?

I think your missing my argument.
I think CP3 is having a mvp type impact on the suns.
I just think Booker is having a bigger impact.

I think the NBA set a precedent by not giving KD/Curry an MVP in 2017/2018/2019 though, when you've got two top 10 MVP candidates, neither of them is getting it.

[Crives]

CP3 is the reason Booker finally sniffed the playoffs. He raises their floor, because he makes everyone around him better.

Unless you want to argue that Booker makes his teammates better to a higher degree than CP3 does?

I think your missing my argument.
I think CP3 is having a mvp type impact on the suns.
I just think Booker is having a bigger impact.

I think the NBA set a precedent by not giving KD/Curry an MVP in 2017/2018/2019 though, when you've got two top 10 MVP candidates, neither of them is getting it.

I don’t think I can agree with that. You need a stronger argument.

1. Steph won in 15’ and 16’. In 16 he won with KD. So there is a precedent
2. In 17/18 there was probably a little voter fatigue and people looked at Warriors as a super team. Nobody looks at phx as a super team. Most said phx finals run was a fluke until a couple months ago.

[KGtabake]

Saying that Booker outplayed Embiid just because he scored a bit more and his team won is dumb imo
Phoenix can't have the MVP because they are clearly relying on two players equally.
If you say that Booker is the MVP you're underappreciating CP. And the opposite.
Not to mention that their stats although great, are not on the same level as the big guys leading this poll.

[Crives]

Saying that Booker outplayed Embiid just because he scored a bit more and his team won is dumb imo
Phoenix can't have the MVP because they are clearly relying on two players equally.
If you say that Booker is the MVP you're underappreciating CP. And the opposite.
Not to mention that their stats although great, are not on the same level as the big guys leading this poll.

Can you explain further? What if having two mvp candidates is leading to 18-20 more projected wins? And what if Booker is a big reason why? Do we not reward winning?

[Cubbies2120]

I think your missing my argument.
I think CP3 is having a mvp type impact on the suns.
I just think Booker is having a bigger impact.

I think the NBA set a precedent by not giving KD/Curry an MVP in 2017/2018/2019 though, when you've got two top 10 MVP candidates, neither of them is getting it.

I don’t think I can agree with that. You need a stronger argument.

1. Steph won in 15’ and 16’. In 16 he won with KD. So there is a precedent
2. In 17/18 there was probably a little voter fatigue and people looked at Warriors as a super team. Nobody looks at phx as a super team. Most said phx finals run was a fluke until a couple months ago.

Kevin Durant was never on Curry's team when he won MVP.

Steph won in 2016, when the Warriors went 73-9, while KD was on the Thunder in that year.

So there is no precedent.

[Madhouse]

The Bucks will finish higher than the Nuggets. It's Giannis award to lose.

[Crives]

I think the NBA set a precedent by not giving KD/Curry an MVP in 2017/2018/2019 though, when you've got two top 10 MVP candidates, neither of them is getting it.

I don’t think I can agree with that. You need a stronger argument.

1. Steph won in 15’ and 16’. In 16 he won with KD. So there is a precedent
2. In 17/18 there was probably a little voter fatigue and people looked at Warriors as a super team. Nobody looks at phx as a super team. Most said phx finals run was a fluke until a couple months ago.

Kevin Durant was never on Curry's team when he won MVP.

Steph won in 2016, when the Warriors went 73-9, while KD was on the Thunder in that year.

So there is no precedent.

My mistake. Mixed up years.

But there is a difference between the KD Warriors and this years suns beyond having two mvp candidates when you account for Klay/Dray. Add to that the voter fatigue of Steph winning the prior two years.

And that doesn’t mean Steph or KD should not have won… and those two were definitely discussed in the conversation as serious candidates while most think Booker/CP3 should not even be part of the fringe discussion

[SeniorWalker]

Jokic has been my MVP for the last few weeks, especially carrying that team to several wins above .500. But the race is still as wide open as its ever been. Very weird year.

Even in 2011, a relatively weak year for MVP, there was still a clear separation by this point in the year. I actually have no idea who would win right now if the race ended today and there's still lots of time to separate and seal it.

[Sharkboy242]

People who are arguing for Suns players should understand that if Embiid/Jokic/Giannis were coasting on a 1st seed team, they probably wouldn't be putting up MVP numbers either. The big numbers come from having to fill in voids within their teams.