Official Trade Deadline Thread: Ends 2.10 @ 3 PM EST

[MrDollarBills]

Look man, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. We have Kyrie for the next two games, but he's been such a non factor that we are probably going to lose against Washington and Miami. Why is he such a non factor? Nash? Lack of consistency since he's always in and out of the line up? Whatever it is, he has just been pedestrian in these last few games and isn't helping.

Then we won't have him for another 3 games before ASB. Who knows what will happen with Harden. I don't blame him at all for not wanting to come back to have to play 40 mins a night to carry this slop.

This losing streak is going to hit double digits.

Washington is a must win as crazy as that sounds. If all the Nets did was not rest everybody & beat OKC (this still bothers me) & beat Sacramento, they're in the 6 seed & the media stoked panic is not as severe.

Odds are it's just 5 more games until KD returns. There are 4 winnable games with just one of the big 3 playing, They become very winnable if we have both an engaged Harden & Kyrie.

I don't see us beating Washington even with Beal out for the season.

Our roster is so devoid of talent right now that Kyrie isn't that kind of player who can make a bad team better. It doesn't help that the coaching staff is out to lunch every night.

[NetsWorld]

I have tcome to the conclusion Nets are looking past this season. Harden is done with us and I find it hard to believe Nets/Sixers aren't talking. All I will say is if we get Maxey/Harris, I'd be stoked. The more likely scenario is Curry,Simmons and Harris. Sixers would hand us over a bulk of their depth while they take a limping Harden. At that point, Marks would have to flip Harris/Claxton/Cam into a serviceable role player for us. This season is over and done with, no ship is coming and reality has smacked us in the face. Next year with KD/Simmons/Harris/Curry/Kyrie(hopefully), we should be a deadly squad, especially from three.

[Fallout_3]

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I don't know what to think anymore. I just want it to end. Maybe it's better to make the trade now than keep talking about Harden over and over again for the next 6 months.

[MrDollarBills]

I have tcome to the conclusion Nets are looking past this season. Harden is done with us and I find it hard to believe Nets/Sixers aren't talking. All I will say is if we get Maxey/Harris, I'd be stoked. The more likely scenario is Curry,Simmons and Harris. Sixers would hand us over a bulk of their depth while they take a limping Harden. At that point, Marks would have to flip Harris/Claxton/Cam into a serviceable role player for us. This season is over and done with, no ship is coming and reality has smacked us in the face. Next year with KD/Simmons/Harris/Curry/Kyrie(hopefully), we should be a deadly squad, especially from three.

I agree with you, but I would not include Tobias in any deal.

If we can get Simmons, Curry, and one of either Maxey or Thybulle, thats better than nothing.

[GYK]

Apparently we can trade Harden but trading Joe, Nic, Cam, Bruce and Carter is out of the question. I’m pretty sure those players are moved if we make this deal anyway. Ceiling much lower.

[Fallout_3]

If we get Simmons and Thybulle we don't need any of all those non-shooters defenders anymore.

[NetsWorld]

Question is do we shut KD down for the season? Nothing has worked in our favor this year.

[Marvin Martian]

Irving is the one that needs to go not Harden. Irving isn't taking you anywhere even as a 2nd option because KD is not prime Lebron. Not to mention that no one knows if NYC will ever lift their vaccine mandate. So Irving is likely to spend the rest of his Nets career as a part time player. Is that someone you want to keep long term?

Compared to Harden, Irving is a lower impact player, and more injury prone. This Harden trade discussion is nuts.

[TheNetsFan]

I have tcome to the conclusion Nets are looking past this season. Harden is done with us and I find it hard to believe Nets/Sixers aren't talking. All I will say is if we get Maxey/Harris, I'd be stoked. The more likely scenario is Curry,Simmons and Harris. Sixers would hand us over a bulk of their depth while they take a limping Harden. At that point, Marks would have to flip Harris/Claxton/Cam into a serviceable role player for us. This season is over and done with, no ship is coming and reality has smacked us in the face. Next year with KD/Simmons/Harris/Curry/Kyrie(hopefully), we should be a deadly squad, especially from three.

I agree with you, but I would not include Tobias in any deal.

If we can get Simmons, Curry, and one of either Maxey or Thybulle, thats better than nothing.

I was thinking earlier, how would GMs rate Maxey, Curry & Mills on an immediate value & overall value scale.

I actually think those scales are inverted. For this year only, I'd say it's probably Mills-Curry-Maxey. Overall value though, I'd say Maxey-Curry-Mills, because Mills will likely be getting a full MLE or better next summer, and neither team will be able to retain him. As much as I like Mills' leadership in the face of adversity, if it takes flipping him as a "win now" piece" and getting back Curry & Maxey who both have an extra year, we should do it. I know Marks has a relationship with Mills, which can cloud things, but I think we need to make decisions with 2023 in mind.

[TheNetsFan]

Question is do we shut KD down for the season? Nothing has worked in our favor this year.

No.

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Compared to Harden, Irving is a lower impact player, and more injury prone.

If we were in 2016.

[Prokorov]

Philly has all the leverage right now. They can simply wait til the summer and watch the Nets continue to self destruct.

Philly doesn't have leverage unless 1 of 2 things happen:

1) They trade Harris for expirings before the deadline
2) They waive/stretch Harris

Otherwise they have no leverage really. or at least no more then we do. If they do option 1, I'd feel a big concerned. Option 2 would be an enormous idiotic risk of epic proportions:

-they would have 5 years of paying 16M of dead money. That would be beyond unprecedented. For a comparison when we stretched Deron it was 6 million for 3 years for a guy who could no longer player.

On top of that 16M per year of dead money, they would be paying Harden 55M per year for 4 years. Thats 70 million of potentially disastrous money. The 16 M is just his dead money salary, they would be a tax team with Harden and with the repeater the dead money would look closer to:

if they are 10M or less over the tax:

24M
40M
40M
40M
40M

If they are 20M or more over the tax:

40M
60M
60M
60M
60M

No owner, anywhere is paying 150-300M in dead money + taxes. Owner would tell the GM to give up the draft picks or whatever players or find a way but 9 figures in dead money is a non-starter

[GutUNC]

I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.

[Prokorov]

Look man, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. We have Kyrie for the next two games, but he's been such a non factor that we are probably going to lose against Washington and Miami. Why is he such a non factor? Nash? Lack of consistency since he's always in and out of the line up? Whatever it is, he has just been pedestrian in these last few games and isn't helping.

Then we won't have him for another 3 games before ASB. Who knows what will happen with Harden. I don't blame him at all for not wanting to come back to have to play 40 mins a night to carry this slop.

This losing streak is going to hit double digits.

He was great vs washington when we beat them on the 19th. one of our last wins before the streak. They dont have beal now either. He was very good vs CLE in a loss and the Win over the spurs. Really for 5 straight games (CLE/WAS/SAS/Min/GSW) he was very very good.

Suns he was just ok an the games since not very good. Starting with the Suns Harden was either out or clearly limited. I dont think any 1 star is going to look good with this current team/coach. they just get triple teamed and when they sit its a huge run by the other team.

Washington is awful without beal, so we have a shot.

[Prokorov]

Look man, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. We have Kyrie for the next two games, but he's been such a non factor that we are probably going to lose against Washington and Miami. Why is he such a non factor? Nash? Lack of consistency since he's always in and out of the line up? Whatever it is, he has just been pedestrian in these last few games and isn't helping.

Then we won't have him for another 3 games before ASB. Who knows what will happen with Harden. I don't blame him at all for not wanting to come back to have to play 40 mins a night to carry this slop.

This losing streak is going to hit double digits.

Washington is a must win as crazy as that sounds. If all the Nets did was not rest everybody & beat OKC (this still bothers me) & beat Sacramento, they're in the 6 seed & the media stoked panic is not as severe.

Odds are it's just 5 more games until KD returns. There are 4 winnable games with just one of the big 3 playing, They become very winnable if we have both an engaged Harden & Kyrie.

I don't see us beating Washington even with Beal out for the season.

Our roster is so devoid of talent right now that Kyrie isn't that kind of player who can make a bad team better. It doesn't help that the coaching staff is out to lunch every night.

I woudld rewatch Kyrie vs the warriors.

[TheNetsFan]

Philly has all the leverage right now. They can simply wait til the summer and watch the Nets continue to self destruct.

Philly doesn't have leverage unless 1 of 2 things happen:

1) They trade Harris for expirings before the deadline
2) They waive/stretch Harris

Otherwise they have no leverage really. or at least no more then we do. If they do option 1, I'd feel a big concerned. Option 2 would be an enormous idiotic risk of epic proportions:

-they would have 5 years of paying 16M of dead money. That would be beyond unprecedented. For a comparison when we stretched Deron it was 6 million for 3 years for a guy who could no longer player.

On top of that 16M per year of dead money, they would be paying Harden 55M per year for 4 years. Thats 70 million of potentially disastrous money. The 16 M is just his dead money salary, they would be a tax team with Harden and with the repeater the dead money would look closer to:

if they are 10M or less over the tax:

24M
40M
40M
40M
40M

If they are 20M or more over the tax:

40M
60M
60M
60M
60M

No owner, anywhere is paying 150-300M in dead money + taxes. Owner would tell the GM to give up the draft picks or whatever players or find a way but 9 figures in dead money is a non-starter

I call bluff. While overpaid, Harris is their 2nd best player. The goal should be to add Harden to Embiid & Harris. Not have to pay to dump Harris & Simmons in order to sign Harden.

[Prokorov]

I have tcome to the conclusion Nets are looking past this season. Harden is done with us and I find it hard to believe Nets/Sixers aren't talking. All I will say is if we get Maxey/Harris, I'd be stoked. The more likely scenario is Curry,Simmons and Harris. Sixers would hand us over a bulk of their depth while they take a limping Harden. At that point, Marks would have to flip Harris/Claxton/Cam into a serviceable role player for us. This season is over and done with, no ship is coming and reality has smacked us in the face. Next year with KD/Simmons/Harris/Curry/Kyrie(hopefully), we should be a deadly squad, especially from three.

I agree with you, but I would not include Tobias in any deal.

If we can get Simmons, Curry, and one of either Maxey or Thybulle, thats better than nothing.

If they want us to take Harris i need 2 more firsts + Maxey in addtion to the Simmons/Curry/1st i already needed

[Prokorov]

I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.

I'd want those guys before maxey anyhow

[MGrand15]

I would love to know how KD really feels about this. Everything was essentially OK before he got injured.

When the short handed Nets + KD beat Toronto + Philly, KD was glowing after the game. How proud he was to be part of the group. Harden got basically the same group with Kyrie + more vets and quit. KD is all about the players and he respects everyone but that has to sting. Instead of holding it down while he's out - after he was playing ridiculous minutes at MVP level - the team falls apart.

Marks has to get this Simmons thing over with quickly. We have other needs that need to be filled. Specifically, we need to do everything possible to target Myles Turner or a legit stretch 5. We need to get rid of Johnson and Brown. We need to trade Claxton. We need to figure out whether Joe is coming back or not.

I also don't completely rule out the team dealing Kyrie. We're banking on a vaccine mandate that the Mayor has said won't change. If this spills into the playoffs, we have no chance. Now that we're playing Kyrie part time, we have some leverage at least.

[Prokorov]

Irving is the one that needs to go not Harden. Irving isn't taking you anywhere even as a 2nd option because KD is not prime Lebron. Not to mention that no one knows if NYC will ever lift their vaccine mandate. So Irving is likely to spend the rest of his Nets career as a part time player. Is that someone you want to keep long term?

Compared to Harden, Irving is a lower impact player, and more injury prone. This Harden trade discussion is nuts.

Kyrie is younger, as-good/better then the Version of Harden we have seen this year, and less likely to be an albatross contract in 2 seasons. Its 100% the move to move Harden if one has to go. Especially f he wants out anyway

MAndate is not a long term concern