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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion & Rumours - Raptors and NBA 

Post#1801 » by vulture » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:08 pm

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vulture wrote:Fred is actually a good defender while Hield has never ever been passable at any point in his career. Getting players who can't play in the playoffs and who make 20 mill/year is not how the raptors operate.
If you can't guard then you won't play.


Why wouldn't Hield be able to play in the playoffs? Don't make stuff up. The Heat went to the Finals with Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro getting heavy minutes. If the Raptors can't build a team that can't compensate for one weak defender, they have a highly flawed team anyway. I don't want Hield, but your argument is a strange one.


Hield might be the worst defender in the league. He's never played in the playoffs so I'm projecting it from what I see in the regular season, but he has never been competent for the kings or pelicans. He's just so bad that he's a step below guys like Herro and Robinson because they can play within a defensive system.
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Post#1802 » by Tor_Raps » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:12 pm

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vulture wrote:Fred is actually a good defender while Hield has never ever been passable at any point in his career. Getting players who can't play in the playoffs and who make 20 mill/year is not how the raptors operate.
If you can't guard then you won't play.


Why wouldn't Hield be able to play in the playoffs? Don't make stuff up. The Heat went to the Finals with Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro getting heavy minutes. If the Raptors can't build a team that can't compensate for one weak defender, they have a highly flawed team anyway. I don't want Hield, but your argument is a strange one.


This was exactly my point. This is why having a true rim protector is important. They help clean up mistakes from your perimeter players. Team defense will always be greater than man defense.
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Post#1803 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:12 pm

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ash_k wrote:Under ESPN "Trade they would like to see"
Toronto Raptors receive: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indiana Pacers receive: Goran Dragic, Chris Boucher, Khem Birch, Malachi Flynn, 2022 first-round pick, 2024 first-round pick.

I can't see us trading Boucher and Khem

I’m not down to trade two 1sts


Absolutely not. Pacers should pay us picks to take on Hield's contract. Boucher by himself is near FRP value right now.

Always remember that some media outlets had us giving up both Pascal AND OG for Kawhi. If a deal is going to happen, this isn't it. And I have no idea why Pacers would trade Turner right now. Why not see what he can do as the sole C?
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Post#1804 » by Tor_Raps » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:13 pm

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vulture wrote:Fred is actually a good defender while Hield has never ever been passable at any point in his career. Getting players who can't play in the playoffs and who make 20 mill/year is not how the raptors operate.
If you can't guard then you won't play.


Why wouldn't Hield be able to play in the playoffs? Don't make stuff up. The Heat went to the Finals with Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro getting heavy minutes. If the Raptors can't build a team that can't compensate for one weak defender, they have a highly flawed team anyway. I don't want Hield, but your argument is a strange one.


Hield might be the worst defender in the league. He's never played in the playoffs so I'm projecting it from what I see in the regular season, but he has never been competent for the kings or pelicans. He's just so bad that he's a step below guys like Herro and Robinson because they can play within a defensive system.


You haven't watched Robinson enough to think he's a better defender than Hield lol. Just rewatch some of the Raptor/Heat games from a week ago to see your proof.
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Post#1805 » by PhilBlackson » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:14 pm

everdiso wrote:Simmons-Harden makes too much sense.

Harden is a fantastic fit for Philly. Gives them exactly what they need.

And as much as I think Simmons is super overrated....I can't imagine a much better situation for him than playing with Durant, Kyrie, both handling the ball and shooting way more than him, and even with shooters like Mills and Harris to ensure that Simmons can basically play inside on offense, and become their primary defensive stopper all over the court.

He would basically become their starting center I think. He'll be their Scottie.


Which is why I don't want that trade to go through and I say that more so for what BKN could be (although don't compare Scottie to Ben, he's a thousand times more talented scorer).

I'm not sold Harden does get them over the top. Harden has never been known as a clutch performer in the Playoffs, quite the opposite and does his style of play really mesh well with Embiid?! Harden only remains active when he's on ball. Otherwise he just dribbles the air outta the ball until he can hit a stepback or drive for layup or lob. Sure Embiid will get the occasional lob and work guys in the post but I actually think stylistically Beal or Dame make more sense to run around the perimeter when Embiid is breaking down a team then teams can't so readily double him which would make whichever C guarding him BBQ chicken. Their offence will likely be more so just them taking turns.

Of course Harden will make them better because he won't be an offensive liability like Ben but I just really question how he's gonna handle the PHI crowd when he has his inevitable off nights...especially come Playoff time when he does his usual choke job hunting fouls and imagine when he actually needs to face off against a pissed off, motivated KD & Kyrie on the flipside of the equation....

Ben will bring BKN some desperately needed defence and will actually be in a perfect role where no one is looking for him to score. Have Ben lock up Harden while he's pushing a fast pace on both Harden & Embiid's lumbering asses as they try to keep up with Ben racing down the court while he just picks & chooses which shooter he's gonna throw the ball to ie/ KD, Kyrie, Mills, Curry, Harris....yeah Morey THINKS he's smart but IF Kyrie either finally folds or the mandate changes in a year or so, he might put the nails in PHI's coffin lol Simmons would not be like Scottie, he'd essentially be what I've said he's always been -- a hyper version of Draymond and with all that 3pt shooting around him, PHI could inadvertently turn BKN into a GSW like team that pushes the ball up and down the court while their players bomb 3s on your team's head into oblivion. So yeah if I'm BKN I'd want it but if I'm PHI, I think twice and would rather see if one of POR (*ahem*), OKC (*ahem) or ORL wouldn't want to help execute a S&T of Harden to get Simmons instead. Would greatly improve their odds of getting through the East.
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Post#1806 » by Zeno » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:18 pm

If this whole thing really falls apart for the Nets as it looks, I'm not opposed to Gary, Dragic and a full picks package for Durant. lol.
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Post#1807 » by kj_ » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:18 pm

ash_k wrote:Under ESPN "Trade they would like to see"
Toronto Raptors receive: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indiana Pacers receive: Goran Dragic, Chris Boucher, Khem Birch, Malachi Flynn, 2022 first-round pick, 2024 first-round pick.

I can't see us trading Boucher and Khem

That 2024 first would be the sticking point in the deal for sure. Picks are a way to add cheap depth. Removing 2 would be a problem. And… the raps aren’t certain about exactly what they’d have and 2024 could be a really good pick if things go south.

Remove or protect that pick and I’m thinking really hard about it.


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Post#1808 » by redeye514 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:22 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:Can almost guarantee we arent giving up our FRP and it's the right move.

Just trade Dragic for some bench help


I'm not an advocate one way or the other regarding trading a pick, but definitely think we would trade a FRP for the 'right player'... and said player does not have to be a true star, rather a Poetle type.

Having said that, I'll make a friendly bet with you. I'm on the side of us moving a FRP this trade deadline. Wager is simple - I obv dont know you, but if stars align in the future and we're at the same game, loser buys other a drink.

In all candour, I actually think theres only a 30-35% chance we move a FRP.. we're more likely to deal Dragic with a second for some minor bench help + hopefully a contract that can be moved again later.


Lol. We pretty much agree then.

Just knowing how Masai operates, we like flexibility ... moving our FRP and then losing in 1st round which is very possible, would just make it more difficult to improve... since we use the draft better than any team creating known commodities in the market place. That's just how we operate. OG, Norm, Delon, etc


While certainly not ideal, trading a first and losing in the first round wouldn't be the end of the world. As long as we continue to grow the asset base. If we trade a FRP for a 1 year rental and are out, that would suck. If we trade a FRP for a piece that will be here for years and we lose in the first round, its not that bad.. again, assuming the piece we get was worth it.

Case in point, look at the Bulls.. trading a FRP last year and not even making the playoffs.. but they grew their asset base with Vuc, continued to add in the off season, and have been flirting with first all season this year.
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Post#1809 » by StopitLeo » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:23 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
vulture wrote:Fred is actually a good defender while Hield has never ever been passable at any point in his career. Getting players who can't play in the playoffs and who make 20 mill/year is not how the raptors operate.
If you can't guard then you won't play.


Why wouldn't Hield be able to play in the playoffs? Don't make stuff up. The Heat went to the Finals with Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro getting heavy minutes. If the Raptors can't build a team that can't compensate for one weak defender, they have a highly flawed team anyway. I don't want Hield, but your argument is a strange one.


An important part of our championship run was that we didn’t have lineups with an obvious defensive liability who could be targeted. That doesn’t mean you can’t win if you have to compensate for a weak defender but Toronto’s defensive schemes don’t really allow you to hide a player on defence.
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Post#1810 » by gerrit4 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:24 pm

kj_ wrote:
ash_k wrote:Under ESPN "Trade they would like to see"
Toronto Raptors receive: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield
Indiana Pacers receive: Goran Dragic, Chris Boucher, Khem Birch, Malachi Flynn, 2022 first-round pick, 2024 first-round pick.

I can't see us trading Boucher and Khem

That 2024 first would be the sticking point in the deal for sure. Picks are a way to add cheap depth. Removing 2 would be a problem. And… the raps aren’t certain about exactly what they’d have and 2024 could be a really good pick if things go south.

Remove or protect that pick and I’m thinking really hard about it.


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What about a 2022 first, and two second round picks?
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Post#1811 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:27 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:
redeye514 wrote:
I'm not an advocate one way or the other regarding trading a pick, but definitely think we would trade a FRP for the 'right player'... and said player does not have to be a true star, rather a Poetle type.

Having said that, I'll make a friendly bet with you. I'm on the side of us moving a FRP this trade deadline. Wager is simple - I obv dont know you, but if stars align in the future and we're at the same game, loser buys other a drink.

In all candour, I actually think theres only a 30-35% chance we move a FRP.. we're more likely to deal Dragic with a second for some minor bench help + hopefully a contract that can be moved again later.


Lol. We pretty much agree then.

Just knowing how Masai operates, we like flexibility ... moving our FRP and then losing in 1st round which is very possible, would just make it more difficult to improve... since we use the draft better than any team creating known commodities in the market place. That's just how we operate. OG, Norm, Delon, etc


While certainly not ideal, trading a first and losing in the first round wouldn't be the end of the world. As long as we continue to grow the asset base. If we trade a FRP for a 1 year rental and are out, that would suck. If we trade a FRP for a piece that will be here for years and we lose in the first round, its not that bad.. again, assuming the piece we get was worth it.

Case in point, look at the Bulls.. trading a FRP last year and not even making the playoffs.. but they grew their asset base with Vuc, continued to add in the off season, and have been flirting with first all season this year.


Bulls took a risk and its payed off so far but it could have easily gone the other way for them. Remember, they sucked for years and wanted to make the playoffs desperately this season. We are in a different position. We are in year 1, yes looks like ahead of schedule but you still dont risk the future when you still need to add to the team and grow it. Raps just need to stay patient and continue to build through the draft and create real assets with better control and relatively cheap.

It would take a real difference maker for us to move our FRP this year. It's highly unlikely its going to happen and Bobby's comments cement this.
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Post#1812 » by redeye514 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:27 pm

everdiso wrote:Simmons-Harden makes too much sense.

Harden is a fantastic fit for Philly. Gives them exactly what they need.

And as much as I think Simmons is super overrated....I can't imagine a much better situation for him than playing with Durant, Kyrie, both handling the ball and shooting way more than him, and even with shooters like Mills and Harris to ensure that Simmons can basically play inside on offense, and become their primary defensive stopper all over the court.

He would basically become their starting center I think. He'll be their Scottie.


100%.

If this deal goes down, both BKN and Philly instantly become East favourites.

As of right now, they are both hella-vulnerable. I am prayng they dont strike a deal... please please please let Morey's ego get in the way!!!
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Post#1813 » by StopitLeo » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:28 pm

SurgeIblocka wrote:Why would Nets make their conference rival better. They should trade out of conference of Harden wants out


I’m preparing myself for a Harden-Westbrook trade.
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Post#1814 » by Kingsway_fan » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:29 pm

Birch and svi are our worst contracts right now.. would be great to unload these ...in a Goran package
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Post#1815 » by DG88 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:30 pm

Morey is playing on the Nets woes as their season is imploding while Durant's out.
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Post#1816 » by Raptorfan2012 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:30 pm

The problem with Harden is I don't see him staying in Philly. He seems to really like warmer weather; can see him going back to one of the Texas teams or going to California or Miami (if those teams can clear up room).
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Post#1817 » by dagger » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:30 pm

Grange says Spurs have no interest in trading Poeltl and Raps are not interested in Evan Fournier.
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Post#1819 » by Zeno » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:32 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
SurgeIblocka wrote:Why would Nets make their conference rival better. They should trade out of conference of Harden wants out


I’m preparing myself for a Harden-Westbrook trade.

I'm preparing myself for Westbrook back to the Thunder for Lakers 2027, Favours and Mike Mascala
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Post#1820 » by HumbleRen » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:35 pm

Heard Bobby Marks on the FAN this morning say "you don't want to miss out on opportunities to potentially land another big fish because you moved a (first-round pick) in a Gallinari trade." Couldn't agree more. Keep that pick for the offseason when a big fish is available.

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