James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

[baller16]

Pretty sure Simmons + Curry are on the table already. The Nets are probably just waiting for either Thybulle or Maxey to be added in. If they walk away with Thybulle, the Nets win this trade.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Nets shouldn’t play hard ball. They’re getting IMO a much better fit, who is much younger and fills a need defensively. They’re lucky that this scenario even exists for them. This team makes both teams better

The other thing — Lillard is a realistic possibility now. If they strike out in the off-season, he’s gone. And Simmons is the best trade chip available

[thinktank]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Um, Harden is also demanding a trade and I believe those reports that say he’ll sit out the rest of the year.

[Pointgod]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

According to who? Has Harden come out and asked for a trade or indicated he wouldn’t resign with the Nets? I know one guy who’s demanded a trade and is willing to burn millions of dollars to do it, he’s on the Sixers. This could all be sorted out by having a sit down with Harden, his reps, KD, Kyrie and the Nets management. Like I said from the reporting the Nets are sounding like amateurs here which is hard to believe.

[zshawn10]

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[Arsenal]

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

According to who? Has Harden come out and asked for a trade or indicated he wouldn’t resign with the Nets? I know one guy who’s demanded a trade and is willing to burn millions of dollars to do it, he’s on the Sixers. This could all be sorted out by having a sit down with Harden, his reps, KD, Kyrie and the Nets management. Like I said from the reporting the Nets are sounding like amateurs here which is hard to believe.

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

[Pointgod]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Um, Harden is also demanding a trade and I believe those reports that say he’ll sit out the rest of the year.

Nash has come out and said they aren’t trading Harden. Reports are that KD wants Harden to stay. Reports are Harden is willing to at least try it out the rest of the season. I haven’t seen any reports that Harden has demanded a trade. Yes he’s frustrated and I don’t blame him for having to play with an unvaxxd idiot Kyrie, but that’s a far cry from asking for a trade.

[Cubbies2120]

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

According to who? Has Harden come out and asked for a trade or indicated he wouldn’t resign with the Nets? I know one guy who’s demanded a trade and is willing to burn millions of dollars to do it, he’s on the Sixers. This could all be sorted out by having a sit down with Harden, his reps, KD, Kyrie and the Nets management. Like I said from the reporting the Nets are sounding like amateurs here which is hard to believe.

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

The Sixers have to make the move, cause once KD comes back and has them rolling again, Harden will be content. Once he sees the success they can have in the playoffs, he'll re-sign.

If KD doesn't come back and they're not successful, then Harden will walk.

[bebopdeluxe]

Simmons is most effective at C; Bballbreakdown has a great video on that. Also, when you effectively utilize him to his strength, his defense makes him that much deadlier. Nets are hanging it up this year and hoping next year is a big turnaround.

I am not sure where this "Simmons at the 5" stuff is coming from. According to Basketball Reference, in 2020-21, Ben Simmons was on the floor without a center (Embiid, Howard, Bradley) for only 107 minutes - or only 5.7% of the total minutes played. During those 107 minutes, the team was a +0.9 net - which was substantially below the net averages of the other lineups. The concept behind it was good - put Simmons out there with 4 shooters (Curry, Green, Harris and Mike Scott) - but they didn't do it a lot, and it really wasn't that productive. To be fair, I do think that Dave Joerger wanted to run it more, but it never really got traction - whether that was because of Doc Rivers or Ben Simmons, I have no idea.

Where are you getting these statistics where "Simmons is most effective a C"? At least at Basketball Reference, I don't see it. And even if there were lineups or games where it might have worked, the sample size - in terms of the amount of minutes that Simmons played there - is too small IMO to state that "Simmons is most effective at C". As a comparison, the lineup of Embiid/Harris/Green/Curry/Embiid played approximately 35% of the Sixers minutes last season, and they had a +13.8 net rating - which may have been the best 5-man rating in the league.

So, where exactly did you get these statistics that support your "Simmons is most effective at C" position?

[MoMan24]

Pretty sure Simmons + Curry are on the table already. The Nets are probably just waiting for either Thybulle or Maxey to be added in. If they walk away with Thybulle, the Nets win this trade.

If I'm the Sixers that's all I offer. Harden is 33 this summer. Not the best body type, lots of mileage which has him injury prone. Crying his way out of his 2nd team in as many years. Has a contract extension coming that will pay him too much. Nets have no leverage here. Keep Harden the, good luck. have fun with an unhappy, unmotivated/fake inquired, out of shape Harden, part time Kyrie, and injured KD. Nets are 8th now LMAO. Nets need to get Simmons who is the ultimate switchable defender, has size, playmaker and literally makes up for all of Irving weakness. A perfect fit. But play hardball Nets LOL.

[Kurtz]

If I'm Brooklyn...instead of doing this deal now and making my direct competitor stronger, I just dick them around, keep them on the line until 3PM tomorrow, and do not pull the trigger, thus wasting Philly's season.

Then if Harden wants out, I do a S&T in the offseason. Simmons isn't going anywhere anyway.

[MoMan24]

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Clowns. Morey is playing 4-D Chess. Never give them the young studs Morey NEVER.

Nets have fun with an unhappy, unmotivated/fake injured, out of shape Harden who is gone this summer. Part time Kyrie, and injured KD. Nets are 8th now LMAO. Enjoy the big 3 that never sees the court together. CLOWNS.

[Pointgod]

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

According to who? Has Harden come out and asked for a trade or indicated he wouldn’t resign with the Nets? I know one guy who’s demanded a trade and is willing to burn millions of dollars to do it, he’s on the Sixers. This could all be sorted out by having a sit down with Harden, his reps, KD, Kyrie and the Nets management. Like I said from the reporting the Nets are sounding like amateurs here which is hard to believe.

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

[MotownMadness]

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Clowns. Morey is playing 4-D Chess. Never give them the young studs Morey NEVER.

Nets have fun with an unhappy, unmotivated/fake injured, out of shape Harden who is gone this summer. Part time Kyrie, and injured KD. Nets are 8th now LMAO. Enjoy the big 3 that never sees the court together. CLOWNS.

Man that takes some nerve to post when your guy won't even play for you while being under a max contract still for a while.

[Arsenal]

According to who? Has Harden come out and asked for a trade or indicated he wouldn’t resign with the Nets? I know one guy who’s demanded a trade and is willing to burn millions of dollars to do it, he’s on the Sixers. This could all be sorted out by having a sit down with Harden, his reps, KD, Kyrie and the Nets management. Like I said from the reporting the Nets are sounding like amateurs here which is hard to believe.

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

[Pointgod]

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

[Arsenal]

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

Wrong again. They would get assets for sending out Simmons. Those could be used to move Harris if required. Net result is they can create the cap room at minimal overall cost and maybe even come out ahead asset-wise.

Which is why, once again, the Nets are negotiating now. They're afraid to lose Harden for nothing.

[Kurtz]

Naive take. There's a reason there's more smoke than a 5-alarm inferno right now.

We're well past the point of just sitting down and smoothing things over.

There’s no rush to trade Harden now. At worst they wait and do this trade in the offseason with a better idea of what the Sixers are going to give up and what they’d lose waiting for the summer vs now.

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

How would they lose him for free? There are only a couple of teams with max cap room, and I can't see Harden signing in OKC or Detroit or San Antonio.

Worst case scenario they do a sign and trade and get some real assets back. I bet Morey will still be on the line in the offseason.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The nets cant really play him at the 5 if the competition is philly and milwauke though. theres tons of positives to him at the 5 i agree, but none of them matter if giannis and joel are running a train on the paint on him, doesnt matter how well kd can score on the other end.

I don't want Simmons at the 5. Put him at the 1 and Kyrie at the 2. Will work perfectly.

Then who are you playing at the 5? Not sure how many non-shooters you want on the floor. If Ben isn't a threat and the center to be named later isn't a threat then I don't see KD/Kyrie having a lot of space to operate. Teams will clog the paint

Aldridge is a shooter. Not from 3 but hes very good from mid range.

I think in closing lineups we can put Simmons at the 4 or 5 with KD if we want to go to small.

But hes too good of a playmaker to be stuck at the 5.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

You're halfway thru the 5 stages of grief and on bargaining there. My guess is if a trade happens you'll be into depression and then hopefully hit acceptance.

The only one depressed will be the team paying fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden 200 million dollars.

Good luck.