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Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread: Ends 2.10 @ 3 PM EST 

Post#141 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Feb 9, 2022 4:53 pm

GutUNC wrote:I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.



Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?
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Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread: Ends 2.10 @ 3 PM EST 

Post#142 » by GutUNC » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:10 pm

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GutUNC wrote:I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.



Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?
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Post#143 » by MGrand15 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:33 pm

My gut feeling is that the deal gets done with Philly giving up a little more than Philly fans want. Morey has always prioritized getting stars over everything else. I don't think he risks letting Harden go to free agency and hoping Ben's trade value goes up.

The only thing I think would make Morey pump the brakes is if he sees Harden's performance as a guy in decline. If he doesn't see Harden as a potential top 12 guy, I don't think the deal happens at all.
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Post#144 » by bullsaficianado » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:37 pm

If they do this trade than Harden must have been honest and said he won't resign and wants Philly. So Simmons and a few other pieces is better than nothing. Since Nets are in win now mode despite this awful losing streak it makes sense to make this trade now. Harden is overrated imo, smart IQ player but Simmons is pretty smart as a basketball player. This may not be the only move Nets make to help improve the team.
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Post#145 » by HardenGoat » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:39 pm

GutUNC wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
GutUNC wrote:I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.



Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?


Lol, Carter helps open a roster spot. He did hit 7 3's yesterday but he's basically a filler at this point.
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Post#146 » by HardenGoat » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:42 pm

MGrand15 wrote:My gut feeling is that the deal gets done with Philly giving up a little more than Philly fans want. Morey has always prioritized getting stars over everything else. I don't think he risks letting Harden go to free agency and hoping Ben's trade value goes up.

The only thing I think would make Morey pump the brakes is if he sees Harden's performance as a guy in decline. If he doesn't see Harden as a potential top 12 guy, I don't think the deal happens at all.

I would agree, I think Morey gives more for someone he really wants so it's easy to play hardball with him in this situation. It's probably going to be Simmons and Curry and a couple picks - maybe one first and a couple seconds or two FRP
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Post#147 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:43 pm

GutUNC wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
GutUNC wrote:I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.



Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?

I agree. I think Thybulle doesn't make sense if we're already bringing in Simmons. Brown or Bembry can give you 70% of the defense and are less useless on offense.

From the Nets perspective Maxey and/or Curry need to be in the deal. The Nets lack true PGs, and they're losing Harden who is functioning as the PG. I expect that they're trying to find the right young piece elsewhere (or potentially haggling over Mills) to make giving up Maxey more palatable.
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Post#148 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:45 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:If they do this trade than Harden must have been honest and said he won't resign and wants Philly. So Simmons and a few other pieces is better than nothing. Since Nets are in win now mode despite this awful losing streak it makes sense to make this trade now. Harden is overrated imo, smart IQ player but Simmons is pretty smart as a basketball player. This may not be the only move Nets make to help improve the team.

I'm wondering if Harden wants to re-up for 5 years, and based on this past summer's negotiations knows the Nets won't give it to him but Morey will.
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Re: Official Trade Deadline Thread: Ends 2.10 @ 3 PM EST 

Post#149 » by GutUNC » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:46 pm

HardenGoat wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?


Lol, Carter helps open a roster spot. He did hit 7 3's yesterday but he's basically a filler at this point.


That's what I thought. FWIW (and I don't put much weight with it) Dumas is reporting Mills would be coming back.

Simmons/Curry for Harden/Mills would match salary wise, just for the record.

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Post#150 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:47 pm

We cannot lose Mills... screw that
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Post#151 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:48 pm

I'm not giving up Mills in any deal.

Harden for Simmons, Maxey for Thybulle in any deal.

Maybe I swap out Thybulle for Curry.

Maxey needs to be in the deal. Or I'm not doing it.
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Post#152 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:49 pm

Also, if indy moves Buddy Hield, I hope we can rope him in.
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Post#153 » by CalamityX12 » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:54 pm

I'm not too invested for the thybulle, we get him great if not, ok.

We got way too many defensive only players. We need shooters plain as simple ****.
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Post#154 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:55 pm

GYK wrote:Apparently we can trade Harden but trading Joe, Nic, Cam, Bruce and Carter is out of the question. I’m pretty sure those players are moved if we make this deal anyway. Ceiling much lower.


Those guys all CAN be moved. problem is most have little/no value and unless its joe they dont make enough money to take back much in salary.

I'm sure marks has explored trading all of them. we have reports saying joe and nic for sure
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Post#155 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:56 pm

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Goes with what my gut has always been & what Geltzeiler stated on NBA Radio. The Nets are going to tell Philly they need to include 2 of Maxey, Thybulle & Curry. Philly can choose who they keep.
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Post#156 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 5:58 pm

GutUNC wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
GutUNC wrote:I have no idea how many assets beyond Simmons would need to be on the table and won't pretend to, but Maxey isn't going to be one of them. Curry, Thybulle, Springer, multiple picks all are on the table in some form or fashion but Maxey doesn't make any sense in this context.



Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?


You are assuming the Nets would keep Simmons. i dont think thats concrete. I could see them moving Simmons for a better fit.

None of us knows the real value. It is impossible to gauge when a mega-star is traded. I Will say that its very likely that Simmons + pick(s) is not enough. And Simmons plus Maxey AND Thubule is probably more then morey wants to deal.

I'd think Simmons/Curry/1st is the minimum it takes to get a deal done by tommorow and Simmons/Curry/Thybule/Pick(s) is the most we would see sent for Harden
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Post#157 » by GutUNC » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:00 pm

One thing I think we can say with confidence is that Jordan Schultz is the guy the Nets are leaking to:

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For the record, Kyle Neubeck is that guy on the Sixers side.
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Post#158 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:01 pm

**** James Harden.

He is WORSE than Deron Williams.

The biggest bum to ever put on a Nets uniform.

I hope he never wins in Philly.

Fat ass piece of **** quit on this team. After one year because KD got injured. After carrying him all year.
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Post#159 » by GutUNC » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:04 pm

Prokorov wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:

Simmons, Curry, Thybulle and 2 1sts for Harden, Milsap, and Carter?


I have that as a fairly significant overpay but I'm not trying to be some fake insider. One thing I would say generally is that I don't really see the benefit of a team bringing on Simmons AND Thybulle considering they're basic skill set overlaps so significantly in important areas. Gun to my head, I'd say 1 of Curry/Thybulle, then a 1st, maybe 1 of Springer/Joe/Reed if it's necessary. But I'm just taking the same educated guesses y'all are.

I'm clueless about Carter, does he provide anything or is he just a filler guy?


You are assuming the Nets would keep Simmons. i dont think thats concrete. I could see them moving Simmons for a better fit.

None of us knows the real value. It is impossible to gauge when a mega-star is traded. I Will say that its very likely that Simmons + pick(s) is not enough. And Simmons plus Maxey AND Thubule is probably more then morey wants to deal.

I'd think Simmons/Curry/1st is the minimum it takes to get a deal done by tommorow and Simmons/Curry/Thybule/Pick(s) is the most we would see sent for Harden


Based on the market, that would be a pile of junk + picks from MIN, Collins+ from ATL or Fox from SAC. Curious if you'd prefer those to Simmons.
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Post#160 » by Prokorov » Wed Feb 9, 2022 6:08 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I'm not giving up Mills in any deal.

Harden for Simmons, Maxey for Thybulle in any deal.

Maybe I swap out Thybulle for Curry.

Maxey needs to be in the deal. Or I'm not doing it.


Yuo, including Mills would be an epic fail for Marks regardless of who we end up with. I'd rather get just simmons then send them Patty.

If they get Harden and Mills then we would be strengthening a rival too much. id rather wait to the offseason and take just simmons or have harden walk

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