Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher)

[Manocad]

I'm not as down on Weaver as some of the previous posts, but I'd have to grade him as "Incomplete" at the moment. Sure we should have gotten Haliburton over Hayes, and a few other poor moves. But our team is better positioned that it has been in years (decades?). One big positive is that we don't have any **** contracts and we have some real cap space. And we have finally learned how to tank So tearing things down and getting to this place isn't rocket science, but it has eluded us in the past. At least now we are not handcuffed to make moves.

That all being said, we need to start building. We got Cade, Bey and Stewart as a young core (although I see Stewart as a reserve on an elite team). We know we have one more star coming in this year's draft (which could be our last top5 pick during the Cade era). Weaver now has real pressure to take the next steps. The top 5 pick is a no-brainer. But moving Grant is a difference maker in the rebuild. Another good draft pick and/or solid young player needs to be procured in the next 24 hours. If Weaver pulls that off,I'd probably give him a "B" for his tenure here. No trade? Down to a "C" at best. This is his final exam for the year, hopefully he can pull something off.

Exactly. If you asked people around the NBA to critique the job Weaver has done and the position the Pistons are in, I doubt many would say it's bad. And while yes, it took some luck (#1 pick) he still had to choose Cade. What if he had taken Green? And regardless, GM's get to carry part of the legacy of bad luck so they should get the benefit of good luck as well. Two seasons ago the Pistons could have fairly been described as having one of the worst situations of any NBA team. Now they're positioned pretty damn nicely regardless of what happens with Grant--on track for another top 5 draft pick, Cade, some other good young pieces, and a boat load of cap space. No matter what you think of the manner in which Weaver got the team to this position, it's still in this position. And now he has to make it pay off.

[Southern Piston]

I’d be selling Grant, Diallo, Joseph and 2 2nd round picks for Simmons, and also hinting that you would take on the Tobias Harris contract in the summer for Olynik and there first round pick. I honestly think Grant, Diallo, and Joseph could propel Philly to the finals

[Andrew McCeltic]

Nurkic isn't good enough to take you out of the high lottery in the short-term. Injuries and the new contract cost are a risk but he's still relatively young and an impactful defensive big when he's healthy.

[Piston Pete]

I get the Wood trade, but why send them a courtesy FRP as well??

Why do people keep saying this? This isn't what happened.

It kind of is.

We were gonna take on salary (Ariza) for their 1st round pick - Stewart. It was a cap-cutting move for the Rockets.

By adding Wood, all we did was facilitate a way for Wood to get more money. Originally, he was going to get less to go to the Rockets.

Why we added a pick??? No idea

[MotownMadness]

He did what needed to be done since they moved Billups and bottom out rebuild. I don't even care how he got us there cause he did. We finally got a top pick and will get another to put alongside him.

I can't believe that I'm agreeing with Piston Pete (although I wouldn't call Weaver "crap" quite yet) but what exactly has Weaver done since doing whatever it took (no matter how dumb) to get rid of the players previous regime?

He's shown that he can tank properly and create an awful roster which is what most of us wanted anyway but has he shown any ability to build a roster or manage assets properly? I haven't seen any of that from him really. Even his much ballyhooed drafting prowess seems pretty meh although early days to judge him properly on that.

I'm not saying he's a bad GM, he's just done nothing to inspire confidence that he's the right man for the job. Yes I'm glad that he tore it down and built from scratch but the real work now begins with his first big task being what to do with Grant. He hasn't done much for quite a while but now it's time to start building a winning roster starting with this offseason in particular because I'm telling you, Cade will start to sour on this situation quickly if Weaver decides to tank another season next year. That kid is a winner, winning time needs to start next season.

What moves did you want him to make while tanking? I mean what are the big negatives that set us back while bottoming out?

[Manocad]

I’d be selling Grant, Diallo, Joseph and 2 2nd round picks for Simmons, and also hinting that you would take on the Tobias Harris contract in the summer for Olynik and there first round pick. I honestly think Grant, Diallo, and Joseph could propel Philly to the finals

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd be legitimately bummed if we traded Diallo any time soon. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite players. He's just fun to watch. There's value to that.

[Snakebites]

I get the Wood trade, but why send them a courtesy FRP as well??

Why do people keep saying this? This isn't what happened.

It kind of is.

We were gonna take on salary (Ariza) for their 1st round pick - Stewart. It was a cap-cutting move for the Rockets.

By adding Wood, all we did was facilitate a way for Wood to get more money. Originally, he was going to get less to go to the Rockets.

Why we added a pick??? No idea

It was always a pick swap for taking on Ariza. The Wood thing was lumped in after the fact.

We never “added” a pick.

[Manocad]

I'd be legitimately bummed if we traded Diallo any time soon. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite players. He's just fun to watch. There's value to that.

I have added him to my list of "Players who should not be moved, period." (and don't come with the "not even for some Godfather/crazy deal?" stuff because deal isn't going to be offered)

With Cade, Diallo and Bey you've got a core of guys who can score. Tear it down further than that and you're just hitting the reset button again.

[Piston Pete]

Why do people keep saying this? This isn't what happened.

It kind of is.

We were gonna take on salary (Ariza) for their 1st round pick - Stewart. It was a cap-cutting move for the Rockets.

By adding Wood, all we did was facilitate a way for Wood to get more money. Originally, he was going to get less to go to the Rockets.

Why we added a pick??? No idea

It was always a pick swap for taking on Ariza. The Wood thing was lumped in after the fact.

We never “added” a pick.

That’s not how I remember it.

And just to play devils advocate. Pick swap, I get it….Why would we take on Ariza and his contract on top of that?

[Snakebites]

It kind of is.

We were gonna take on salary (Ariza) for their 1st round pick - Stewart. It was a cap-cutting move for the Rockets.

By adding Wood, all we did was facilitate a way for Wood to get more money. Originally, he was going to get less to go to the Rockets.

Why we added a pick??? No idea

It was always a pick swap for taking on Ariza. The Wood thing was lumped in after the fact.

We never “added” a pick.

That’s not how I remember it.

And just to play devils advocate. Pick swap, I get it….Why would we take on Ariza and his contract on top of that?

That may not be how you remember it, but that’s how it happened.

I remember the discourse on this board about it on draft night, the Wood signing came after.

You can say you didn’t like that trade, but that was the trade. We did not throw in a first rounder to have the privilege of them signing Wood. That’s not what happened.

[Piston Pete]

The overall trade (one way or the other) ended up being Wood/1st for Ariza/1st.

That is a terrible trade, really no matter how it happened.

[Snakebites]

The overall trade (one way or the other) ended up being Wood/1st for Ariza/1st.

That is a terrible trade, really no matter how it happened.

Sure. If you’re viewing unrestricted free agent Wood as an asset for us, one we had control over and were in a position to get assets for.

Which I’d argue is as disingenuous as framing the trade the way you originally did.

[Snakebites]

WOJ on ESPN says the Blazers are definitely interested (mentioned that Dame really likes Grant).

Also said that the Pistons are comfortable going into the offseason if their price isn't met.

Nothing too definitive.

[FloridaMan78]

Woj saying around draft time might be a possibility for Grant to go to Portland. That would make more sense. It'll give me hope if he isn't traded at the deadline.

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[NYPiston]

What moves did you want him to make while tanking? I mean what are the big negatives that set us back while bottoming out?

I wanted him to do some of what OKC did by absorbing salary to add picks but instead he actually gives away a higher pick just so he can sign Olynyk. He should have weaponized the cap space to add futures instead of spending a lot of it on a player who wasn't going to move the needle in rebuilding years. He somewhat did that with the Jordan trade but those 2nds are fairly inconsequential. The stretches were pointless as well.

He hasn't done anything that would create long term damage like his predecessor did and I appreciate that the Pistons have gone full rebuild but it's about time for him to **** or get off the pot, so to speak. The tanking should end this season and he needs to start maximize his assets instead of paying somebody to take his (like the Plumlee trade).

The Grant decision is the first real big one in his tenure, the first move that will effect the next step of the process which is building an actual competitive team. Either maximize the value of this player by bringing in assets that fill needs or watch the value of the player deteriorate as you continue to try to fit this square peg in a round hole. Lets see what he's made of because the real work now begins. He has set the team up pretty well with the high draft picks, no bad long term contracts and cap space but he has to actually utilize it. As a poster already mentioned, he's an incomplete right now but he needs to start moving the process forward soon.

[Piston Pete]

Waiting until the offseason seems odd. Whatever we could do then, we could just do now

[FloridaMan78]

What moves did you want him to make while tanking? I mean what are the big negatives that set us back while bottoming out?

I wanted him to do some of what OKC did by absorbing salary to add picks but instead he actually gives away a higher pick just so he can sign Olynyk. He should have weaponized the cap space to add futures instead of spending a lot of it on a player who wasn't going to move the needle in rebuilding years. He somewhat did that with the Jordan trade but those 2nds are fairly inconsequential. The stretches were pointless as well.

He hasn't done anything that would create long term damage like his predecessor did and I appreciate that the Pistons have gone full rebuild but it's about time for him to **** or get off the pot, so to speak. The tanking should end this season and he needs to start maximize his assets instead of paying somebody to take his (like the Plumlee trade).

The Grant decision is the first real big one in his tenure, the first move that will effect the next step of the process which is building an actual competitive team. Either maximize the value of this player by bringing in assets that fill needs or watch the value of the player deteriorate as you continue to try to fit this square peg in a round hole. Lets see what he's made of because the real work now begins.

This is where culture and being a players GM comes in. I think he didn't bring in players that didn't want to be here, so he didn't do any of what OKC did. Thats why he does his crazy stretches, gets rid of players that don't want to be here for nothing. Not giving Woods the time of day is another one. What he did with Griffin and Rose. He probably could have gotten more assets, but he did them a solid instead which earned him a little respect with the players as a whole. That doesn't show up in the 'list of good moves by GMs" but it matters to players, and I think that's what he cares about.

I can see why people don't like it. I respect it, but I don't like it as a fan.

[zeebneeb]

I think everyone agrees on two points;

Weaver has reset the Pistons. How he did it is useless to debate. It's done. It ended with Cade Cunningham, Bey, Stewart, Hayes. Diallo as assets moving forward.

Now begins the process of actually building a team, and this is where his legacy is going to be formed.

As someone else stated, "Anyone can do what Weaver has done"(tearing down a team)well of thats the case, why did it take 3 GM's and 13 years to do?

Point is,

1.)Weaver has put the Pistons in a great spot.

2.)The real work begins now.

[NYPiston]

This is where culture and being a players GM comes in. I think he didn't bring in players that didn't want to be here, so he didn't do any of what OKC did. Thats why he does his crazy stretches, gets rid of players that don't want to be here for nothing. Not giving Woods the time of day is another one. What he did with Griffin and Rose. He probably could have gotten more assets, but he did them a solid instead which earned him a little respect with the players as a whole. That doesn't show up in the 'list of good moves by GMs" but it matters to players, and I think that's what he cares about.

I can see why people don't like it. I respect it, but I don't like it as a fan.

He wasn't getting assets for Griffin. He was handcuffed by the previous regime so he did the right thing for Griffin and team by buying him out when he did which was smart because taking on dead money in a rebuilding year really isn't a big deal and it opened up opportunities for young guys to develop. That massive contract is now finally coming off the books and with that, flexibility is opened up.

Rose is a good point. He likely could have gotten more value for him if he traded him sooner but because of loyalty to the player, he held on to him and likely lost out on better value because of personal feelings. It's almost exactly like Grant in a sense which is why I'm not convinced that he's all that interested in trading Grant, at least not yet.
Rose is an example of not maximizing the value of an asset and has me concerns in terms of how the Grant situation gets sorted out.