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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#241 » by ATLTimekeeper » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:02 pm

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Yeah, I trust him more too, but to think one team is just transparently leaking negotiations while the other isn't is silly. All these reporters like Windy, Woj, Shams, etc... they're all getting used right now by Marks and Morey. It's impossible to tell whos version of the story is closest to the truth.


I am not saying that Nets are not leaking ****. It's just that Woj doesn't seem to throw everything out there. If he is saying that they are not going back and forth and in the next hour there is a trade, he will look like a fool. I don't think he wants that. When he says what he is saying now, I am leaning to trust him more than others. I am defending Woj here, not the Nets. They have other tools to do the dirty work.


Woj is always used for dirty work like this. It's the quid pro quo for getting the scoop when a deal actually gets done.

If a deal happens the Nets won't blindside him. They'll give him the heads-up to walk it back and save his credibility for future wetwork.


There's no advantage for the Nets to leak that they aren't seriously talking about trading Harden.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#242 » by DrModesty » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:05 pm

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I do think this is the leverage point. Marks has to know that Morey can deal Harris to OKC. It is common knowledge that OKC is a ways away from the salary cap floor and has to do something.

So...the game of chicken here is Marks daring Morey to deal Harris to OKC - which would probably blow up the Sixers season, but would put them in position to sign Harden this summer. It would be rough on team chemistry, no doubt. Harris is a team leader, and it would throw the team in a tailspin. The alternative, however - which is trading Maxey and/or Thybulle - hurts the Sixers well beyond this season. You could also make the argument that, given teh massive contract that Harden will be signing, the Sixers FO may want Morey to move Harris anyway, to lessen the tax burden.

I think what it comes down to is what does Harden want? If he really wants to come to the Sixers, and Morey knows that, then I think he would trade Harris, take the hit on this season, but not only sign Harden as a FA, but would get whatever assets from teams with cap space this summer (like SAS or DET) would give him to get Simmons off the books...and even if the return would not be as good as Harden, I am sure those teams would at the very least give the Sixers draft picks, which could be used in turn to get additional players.

Your move, Sean.


A few things worth noting here.

First regarding the salary floor. OKC does not need to meet it, if they fail to reach it they will just pay money to their currently signed players until they reach it. Giving their own players more money would in fact be preferable, especially in the case of a guy like Lu Dort who is underpaid or the second round/unlikely to get a second contract guys.It is good for team morale and chemistry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787871-how-nba-free-agency-salary-cap-work

"It hasn't stopped teams from "tanking" to improve their odds of winning the draft lottery, but, yes, there is a salary floor. It is 90 percent of the salary cap, which equates to $91.682 million for the upcoming season.

If a team's salary is below that mark at the time of the final game of the regular season, it is required to distribute additional money to the players on the roster until it has actually spent the 90 percent. However, the team is not allowed to use this as a workaround to pay a player more than the league maximum for his stature."


Second, the 76s pick currently owed to OKC in 2025 is only protected 1-6. Unprotecting this pick is actually not huge value, even as highly regarded as unprotected picks are. Embiid should 'likely' still be in his prime, Maxey will be in his prime, Harden is likely to at least be an nba level player still and Morey will have had time to add additional role players in that time. Even assuming a near worst case scenario of Injured Embiid and washed Harden, if the pick is unprotected with Maxey and role players on the team and ZERO incentive to tank that pick is unlikely to be any better than 6th anyway. Especially since every year their are teams intending on tanking. OKC are going through this exact situation right now with the Clippers who, while having 2 major stars out with significant injury, are still only at the edge or outside of the lottery.

Third, OKC has many first round picks this year already. A mid 20s pick holds little value, even if put together as a part of a package with other picks to move up because other teams like Memphis can do the same thing. They can't use all of these picks and any other pick between now and the 2025 first already owed would be expected to be late 20s also if they are in effect facilitating a Harden trade.

Fourth, OKC needs to tank this year. Tobias Harris could easily turn this years pick from 3rd or 4th pick in to the 6th or 7th pick. Internal improvement, other teams tanking and organizational competence makes getting extremely high picks in the future unlikely.

Fifth, Presti knows that Morey's leverage is currently reliant on him which in turn gives him his own leverage. Historically Presti has gotten slam dunk value out of these situations. See the PG13 trade, also the Russ CP3 trade.

I would expect if OKC were to take on Harris before the deadline it would be something like unprotect the 2025 pick, OKC get 76ers 2022 1st, 76ers take back Favors and OKC receive Thybulle, maybe OKC would want even more than this. Alternatively OKC take Harris and Maxey from 76ers and give them back their 2025 1st. I'd be surprised if Morey was willing to do either of these though, especially given it was Presti who made Morey look bad with the Russ CP3 trade.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#243 » by Ballerhogger » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:08 pm

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Wilfried wrote:Simmons + Green + pick seems a fair value. Anything else would make Sixers wait until offseason.

Embiid isn't 35 either


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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#245 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:09 pm

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They have now, before the deadline. In the summer SGA's extension kicks in. Which is why I keep saying, if Philly wants to clear cap space for Harden they have to trade Tobias now. Nothing is certain and there is risk both ways, and both teams know that.
If Philly knew 100% that Harden will sign with them in the summer, they would just trade Harris now. Simmons can be moved in the summer too.

If Morey unloads Harris now, then Nets have almost no leverage, and they probably have to settle for Simmons alone, but my feeling is that they cannot move Harris, but I could be wrong.


I do think this is the leverage point. Marks has to know that Morey can deal Harris to OKC. It is common knowledge that OKC is a ways away from the salary cap floor and has to do something.

So...the game of chicken here is Marks daring Morey to deal Harris to OKC - which would probably blow up the Sixers season, but would put them in position to sign Harden this summer. It would be rough on team chemistry, no doubt. Harris is a team leader, and it would throw the team in a tailspin. The alternative, however - which is trading Maxey and/or Thybulle - hurts the Sixers well beyond this season. You could also make the argument that, given teh massive contract that Harden will be signing, the Sixers FO may want Morey to move Harris anyway, to lessen the tax burden.

I think what it comes down to is what does Harden want? If he really wants to come to the Sixers, and Morey knows that, then I think he would trade Harris, take the hit on this season, but not only sign Harden as a FA, but would get whatever assets from teams with cap space this summer (like SAS or DET) would give him to get Simmons off the books...and even if the return would not be as good as Harden, I am sure those teams would at the very least give the Sixers draft picks, which could be used in turn to get additional players.

Your move, Sean.


That's the thing though. Next year they are not under the floor anymore. They could even get dangerously close to the lux tax if Favors opts in. How many first round picks for 76 mil$? Sure they could unload Favors, but that will cost them. They are in business to get draft picks, not to give them to unload salaries. They essentially got 2 FRP for Kemba's contract(53mil$). 1 when they traded for Al, and one from Celtics, and that's when they were under the floor. Now what is the price? 3FRP?


At some point, I would think that Presti would like to put a competative product on the floor. Tobias Harris is a very good player, and he would help them. I am factoring in that he would only be with them next season - theoretically, Presti could even move Harris at the deadline next season. if he has real concerns about potential taxes. The Sixers could remove the protection on the 2025 pick, as well as give them either the 2022 or 2023 pick as well as the 2027 pick. For Morey, he doesn't care about the picks, and if he chooses to go in this direction - trade Harris at the deadline, and then trade Simmons this summer to sign Harden - the team still has interesting young players like Joe, Bassey and Reed that can still be developed.

Is it worth punting on this season in order to have a starting 5 next season of Embiid, Harden, Thybulle, Maxey and Curry (plus whatever ring-chasing 4 they can sign with their exemption)? As along time Sixers fan - who loves what he has seen this season but is also clear-eyed about what Embiid needs to get to the promised land - I gladly punt on this season to sign Harden as a FA, as opposed to having to give either Maxey or Thybulle to the Nets. A core of KD/Kyrie/Simmons/Harris is tough enough as it is, without giving them either Maxey or Thybulle as well.

We will see what happens. Again - Embiid is only 27...and Morey prides himself on having the longest view in the room.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#246 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:09 pm

Morey deserves a statue if he manages to pull this off.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#248 » by Slacktard » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:11 pm

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I am not saying that Nets are not leaking ****. It's just that Woj doesn't seem to throw everything out there. If he is saying that they are not going back and forth and in the next hour there is a trade, he will look like a fool. I don't think he wants that. When he says what he is saying now, I am leaning to trust him more than others. I am defending Woj here, not the Nets. They have other tools to do the dirty work.


Woj is always used for dirty work like this. It's the quid pro quo for getting the scoop when a deal actually gets done.

If a deal happens the Nets won't blindside him. They'll give him the heads-up to walk it back and save his credibility for future wetwork.


There's no advantage for the Nets to leak that they aren't seriously talking about trading Harden.


I always think there's advantage in downplaying trade rumors if a player is still possibly going to be a part of your team afterwards. That's just common sense logic.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#249 » by EricAnderson » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:12 pm

Sixers have no leverage if the Nets don’t trade him there they can’t get him.

If I’m the Nets I don’t help out a division/conference rival get better.

If you don’t trade him to Philly is he gonna sign with some garbage team with cap space rather then stay with the Nets?

I doubt it.

Id roll the dice that Harden stays If I’m the Nets.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#250 » by Ballerhogger » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:13 pm

If they nets want rebounder they could do harden for
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#251 » by OldSchoolNoBull » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:16 pm

If I were Philly, I'd just give them Maxey and be done with it. Harden is more valuable than Simmons imo and you've got to give to get. Nets throw in Millsap since they've been looking for a partner for him.

I get that the Sixers don't want to move Maxey because he's a good young player on a rookie contract but, again, you have to give to get. I think Curry fits the resulting team better anyway, because his Ast'd% rates are higher than Maxey's in most areas - meaning he scores more off ball, which matters because you have to do that next to Harden, who is one of the most ball-dominant players of all time.

Embiid / Drummond
Harris / Millsap / Niang
Green / Korkmaz
Curry / Thybulle
Harden / Thybulle / Milton(if he makes it back this season)

Sixers can probably get some vet depth on the buyout market. You do that if you think it gives you a legit shot at a title this year. Whether or not Philly thinks that is up for debate.

Also would very much want Tobias as the third option if I'm acquiring Harden. He's producing well, even if his contract is not great - I feel like his nearly 20 points and 7 boards per game on decent efficiency is undervalued. I think a hypothetical Embiid/Harden Sixers team is much better with him than without him in a cap space scenario.

Claxton / Aldridge
Durant / Griffin
Simmons / Sharpe / J.Johnson
(Harris when he comes back) / Maxey / Bembry
Kyrie / Mills

No big holes except for center, which is a bit of a hole already anyway.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#252 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:19 pm

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I do think this is the leverage point. Marks has to know that Morey can deal Harris to OKC. It is common knowledge that OKC is a ways away from the salary cap floor and has to do something.

So...the game of chicken here is Marks daring Morey to deal Harris to OKC - which would probably blow up the Sixers season, but would put them in position to sign Harden this summer. It would be rough on team chemistry, no doubt. Harris is a team leader, and it would throw the team in a tailspin. The alternative, however - which is trading Maxey and/or Thybulle - hurts the Sixers well beyond this season. You could also make the argument that, given teh massive contract that Harden will be signing, the Sixers FO may want Morey to move Harris anyway, to lessen the tax burden.

I think what it comes down to is what does Harden want? If he really wants to come to the Sixers, and Morey knows that, then I think he would trade Harris, take the hit on this season, but not only sign Harden as a FA, but would get whatever assets from teams with cap space this summer (like SAS or DET) would give him to get Simmons off the books...and even if the return would not be as good as Harden, I am sure those teams would at the very least give the Sixers draft picks, which could be used in turn to get additional players.

Your move, Sean.


A few things worth noting here.

First regarding the salary floor. OKC does not need to meet it, if they fail to reach it they will just pay money to their currently signed players until they reach it. Giving their own players more money would in fact be preferable, especially in the case of a guy like Lu Dort who is underpaid or the second round/unlikely to get a second contract guys.It is good for team morale and chemistry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787871-how-nba-free-agency-salary-cap-work

"It hasn't stopped teams from "tanking" to improve their odds of winning the draft lottery, but, yes, there is a salary floor. It is 90 percent of the salary cap, which equates to $91.682 million for the upcoming season.

If a team's salary is below that mark at the time of the final game of the regular season, it is required to distribute additional money to the players on the roster until it has actually spent the 90 percent. However, the team is not allowed to use this as a workaround to pay a player more than the league maximum for his stature."


Second, the 76s pick currently owed to OKC in 2025 is only protected 1-6. Unprotecting this pick is actually not huge value, even as highly regarded as unprotected picks are. Embiid should 'likely' still be in his prime, Maxey will be in his prime, Harden is likely to at least be an nba level player still and Morey will have had time to add additional role players in that time. Even assuming a near worst case scenario of Injured Embiid and washed Harden, if the pick is unprotected with Maxey and role players on the team and ZERO incentive to tank that pick is unlikely to be any better than 6th anyway. Especially since every year their are teams intending on tanking. OKC are going through this exact situation right now with the Clippers who, while having 2 major stars out with significant injury, are still only at the edge or outside of the lottery.

Third, OKC has many first round picks this year already. A mid 20s pick holds little value, even if put together as a part of a package with other picks to move up because other teams like Memphis can do the same thing. They can't use all of these picks and any other pick between now and the 2025 first already owed would be expected to be late 20s also if they are in effect facilitating a Harden trade.

Fourth, OKC needs to tank this year. Tobias Harris could easily turn this years pick from 3rd or 4th pick in to the 6th or 7th pick. Internal improvement, other teams tanking and organizational competence makes getting extremely high picks in the future unlikely.

Fifth, Presti knows that Morey's leverage is currently reliant on him which in turn gives him his own leverage. Historically Presti has gotten slam dunk value out of these situations. See the PG13 trade, also the Russ CP3 trade.

I would expect if OKC were to take on Harris before the deadline it would be something like unprotect the 2025 pick, OKC get 76ers 2022 1st, 76ers take back Favors and OKC receive Thybulle, maybe OKC would want even more than this. Alternatively OKC take Harris and Maxey from 76ers and give them back their 2025 1st. I'd be surprised if Morey was willing to do either of these though, especially given it was Presti who made Morey look bad with the Russ CP3 trade.


We will see what happens. I am no salary cap guru, and I have no inside intel about the options that the Sixers have to move Harris. I do believe, however, that if Morey wants to move Harris to clear the way to sign Harden outright this summer, he could do it. I think the bigger issue is what will happen to the Nets if Harden is still on the roster at 3:01PM on Thursday. If the reporting is accurate and Harden wants out - either now or this summer - and he is still there, it will be hard, in my opinion, to put the toothpaste back in the tube. They not only run the risk of losing Harden this summer, but having a daily dumpster fire/soap opera as Harden plays more games like he did in Sacramento.

While it is true that the Sixers would be punting on the season if they trade Harris, I would think they will be in a better place in October than the Nets will be...if, again, it is true that Harden wants out. Neither you or I know what Harden REALLY thinks, but I am sure that the Nets and SIxers know...and I think that if Harden really IS happy in Brooklyn, the Sixers would have traded Simmons by now.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#253 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:21 pm

The desperation Philly has to get rid of Simmons does not exist for the Nets.

Ben Simmons is dead weight for Philly. A lost asset.

Once the trade deadline ends what does Harden do? Keep quitting?

He has to start playing again. Once KD comes back the Nets are as good as anyone in the East.

What is the incentive to make the deal for the Nets right now? Unless Philly makes it worth it.
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Post#254 » by Mamba81p » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:21 pm

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Mamba81p wrote:
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I do think this is the leverage point. Marks has to know that Morey can deal Harris to OKC. It is common knowledge that OKC is a ways away from the salary cap floor and has to do something.

So...the game of chicken here is Marks daring Morey to deal Harris to OKC - which would probably blow up the Sixers season, but would put them in position to sign Harden this summer. It would be rough on team chemistry, no doubt. Harris is a team leader, and it would throw the team in a tailspin. The alternative, however - which is trading Maxey and/or Thybulle - hurts the Sixers well beyond this season. You could also make the argument that, given teh massive contract that Harden will be signing, the Sixers FO may want Morey to move Harris anyway, to lessen the tax burden.

I think what it comes down to is what does Harden want? If he really wants to come to the Sixers, and Morey knows that, then I think he would trade Harris, take the hit on this season, but not only sign Harden as a FA, but would get whatever assets from teams with cap space this summer (like SAS or DET) would give him to get Simmons off the books...and even if the return would not be as good as Harden, I am sure those teams would at the very least give the Sixers draft picks, which could be used in turn to get additional players.

Your move, Sean.


That's the thing though. Next year they are not under the floor anymore. They could even get dangerously close to the lux tax if Favors opts in. How many first round picks for 76 mil$? Sure they could unload Favors, but that will cost them. They are in business to get draft picks, not to give them to unload salaries. They essentially got 2 FRP for Kemba's contract(53mil$). 1 when they traded for Al, and one from Celtics, and that's when they were under the floor. Now what is the price? 3FRP?


At some point, I would think that Presti would like to put a competative product on the floor. Tobias Harris is a very good player, and he would help them. I am factoring in that he would only be with them next season - theoretically, Presti could even move Harris at the deadline next season. if he has real concerns about potential taxes. The Sixers could remove the protection on the 2025 pick, as well as give them either the 2022 or 2023 pick as well as the 2027 pick. For Morey, he doesn't care about the picks, and if he chooses to go in this direction - trade Harris at the deadline, and then trade Simmons this summer to sign Harden - the team still has interesting young players like Joe, Bassey and Reed that can still be developed.

Is it worth punting on this season in order to have a starting 5 next season of Embiid, Harden, Thybulle, Maxey and Curry (plus whatever ring-chasing 4 they can sign with their exemption)? As along time Sixers fan - who loves what he has seen this season but is also clear-eyed about what Embiid needs to get to the promised land - I gladly punt on this season to sign Harden as a FA, as opposed to having to give either Maxey or Thybulle to the Nets. A core of KD/Kyrie/Simmons/Harris is tough enough as it is, without giving them either Maxey or Thybulle as well.

We will see what happens. Again - Embiid is only 27...and Morey prides himself on having the longest view in the room.


If he is willing to punt the season and he knows he has Harden in the bag(what if Nets win the chip?), and also if OKC is ok with whatever picks Morey gives them, he should pull the trigger(I would believe at least 3). It's a no brainer. Presti is not allowed to take even a 1% chance of going into tax. So they could probably send Favors back, and let Sixers deal with him if he opts in, so he doesn't burn a pick for that. Sixers might have to burn another pick for that, if necessary.

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I am not sure where the Sixers ownership stands with spending money. I don't know if they are even ok with Harris/Harden/Embiid, so he might need to trade Harris anyway, trade or no trade with the Nets.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#255 » by DrModesty » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:28 pm

bebopdeluxe wrote:
DrModesty wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:
I do think this is the leverage point. Marks has to know that Morey can deal Harris to OKC. It is common knowledge that OKC is a ways away from the salary cap floor and has to do something.

So...the game of chicken here is Marks daring Morey to deal Harris to OKC - which would probably blow up the Sixers season, but would put them in position to sign Harden this summer. It would be rough on team chemistry, no doubt. Harris is a team leader, and it would throw the team in a tailspin. The alternative, however - which is trading Maxey and/or Thybulle - hurts the Sixers well beyond this season. You could also make the argument that, given teh massive contract that Harden will be signing, the Sixers FO may want Morey to move Harris anyway, to lessen the tax burden.

I think what it comes down to is what does Harden want? If he really wants to come to the Sixers, and Morey knows that, then I think he would trade Harris, take the hit on this season, but not only sign Harden as a FA, but would get whatever assets from teams with cap space this summer (like SAS or DET) would give him to get Simmons off the books...and even if the return would not be as good as Harden, I am sure those teams would at the very least give the Sixers draft picks, which could be used in turn to get additional players.

Your move, Sean.


A few things worth noting here.

First regarding the salary floor. OKC does not need to meet it, if they fail to reach it they will just pay money to their currently signed players until they reach it. Giving their own players more money would in fact be preferable, especially in the case of a guy like Lu Dort who is underpaid or the second round/unlikely to get a second contract guys.It is good for team morale and chemistry.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2787871-how-nba-free-agency-salary-cap-work

"It hasn't stopped teams from "tanking" to improve their odds of winning the draft lottery, but, yes, there is a salary floor. It is 90 percent of the salary cap, which equates to $91.682 million for the upcoming season.

If a team's salary is below that mark at the time of the final game of the regular season, it is required to distribute additional money to the players on the roster until it has actually spent the 90 percent. However, the team is not allowed to use this as a workaround to pay a player more than the league maximum for his stature."


Second, the 76s pick currently owed to OKC in 2025 is only protected 1-6. Unprotecting this pick is actually not huge value, even as highly regarded as unprotected picks are. Embiid should 'likely' still be in his prime, Maxey will be in his prime, Harden is likely to at least be an nba level player still and Morey will have had time to add additional role players in that time. Even assuming a near worst case scenario of Injured Embiid and washed Harden, if the pick is unprotected with Maxey and role players on the team and ZERO incentive to tank that pick is unlikely to be any better than 6th anyway. Especially since every year their are teams intending on tanking. OKC are going through this exact situation right now with the Clippers who, while having 2 major stars out with significant injury, are still only at the edge or outside of the lottery.

Third, OKC has many first round picks this year already. A mid 20s pick holds little value, even if put together as a part of a package with other picks to move up because other teams like Memphis can do the same thing. They can't use all of these picks and any other pick between now and the 2025 first already owed would be expected to be late 20s also if they are in effect facilitating a Harden trade.

Fourth, OKC needs to tank this year. Tobias Harris could easily turn this years pick from 3rd or 4th pick in to the 6th or 7th pick. Internal improvement, other teams tanking and organizational competence makes getting extremely high picks in the future unlikely.

Fifth, Presti knows that Morey's leverage is currently reliant on him which in turn gives him his own leverage. Historically Presti has gotten slam dunk value out of these situations. See the PG13 trade, also the Russ CP3 trade.

I would expect if OKC were to take on Harris before the deadline it would be something like unprotect the 2025 pick, OKC get 76ers 2022 1st, 76ers take back Favors and OKC receive Thybulle, maybe OKC would want even more than this. Alternatively OKC take Harris and Maxey from 76ers and give them back their 2025 1st. I'd be surprised if Morey was willing to do either of these though, especially given it was Presti who made Morey look bad with the Russ CP3 trade.


We will see what happens. I am no salary cap guru, and I have no inside intel about the options that the Sixers have to move Harris. I do believe, however, that if Morey wants to move Harris to clear the way to sign Harden outright this summer, he could do it. I think the bigger issue is what will happen to the Nets if Harden is still on the roster at 3:01PM on Thursday. If the reporting is accurate and Harden wants out - either now or this summer - and he is still there, it will be hard, in my opinion, to put the toothpaste back in the tube. They not only run the risk of losing Harden this summer, but having a daily dumpster fire/soap opera as Harden plays more games like he did in Sacramento.

While it is true that the Sixers would be punting on the season if they trade Harris, I would think they will be in a better place in October than the Nets will be...if, again, it is true that Harden wants out. Neither you or I know what Harden REALLY thinks, but I am sure that the Nets and SIxers know...and I think that if Harden really IS happy in Brooklyn, the Sixers would have traded Simmons by now.


I think it is worth remembering that the peripheral parties couldn't give a damn about the fortunes of the 76ers, the Nets or James Harden

I agree that Morey can move Harris for cap space and think that he could do it either before the deadline or in the offseason. Ultimately though someone is gouging value out of Philly. Either the Nets get a very high value return on a trade before deadline/sign and trade in off season OR third party teams get major value in taking on assets for Harris AND/OR third party teams pick up Simmons for pennies on the dollar.

Morey can force leverage on to the Nets but has to expose himself to others to do so given so few teams have cap space. It is just a case of picking the best path for him and the 76ers.

The Nets are fine as long as third party teams don't wilt to Morey and they have no reason to. Harris is a deeply negative contract to every team capable of taking him on. The only one who might be willing to take on Harris for a slightly lesser package of assets are the Spurs because they don't seem to want to tank while Pop is there.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#256 » by EricAnderson » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:42 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:The desperation Philly has to get rid of Simmons does not exist for the Nets.

Ben Simmons is dead weight for Philly. A lost asset.

Once the trade deadline ends what does Harden do? Keep quitting?

He has to start playing again. Once KD comes back the Nets are as good as anyone in the East.

What is the incentive to make the deal for the Nets right now? Unless Philly makes it worth it.


Agreed as bad as the situation is now if all three are healthy this team can still win a title.

The Sixers can’t get anything of substance for Simmons right now.the Nets would basically be saving the Sixers here giving them Harden for him.

Also this whole idea that the Sixers can dump salary to get him in the summer doesn’t work

You have to take back nearly equal salary in the NBA. You can’t just dump a large salary
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#257 » by SunsWinSunsWin » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:54 pm

Neither team has leverage.

Philly can hold out and wait for Harden to reach FA and sign him without giving up anything.

Simmons value is down and league knows he won't play for Philly again so Brooklyn is right to ask for the moon but they know Philly will never bite.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#258 » by Sixersftw » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:54 pm

Johnny Bball wrote:
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Price isn't getting cheaper in the offseason.

I think getting off of Tobias is cheaper than Simmons, Green, and a pick. Then its just cap space (plus the price to move Tobi).


Nets aren't taking a TH sign and trade ever.

Not what I was suggesting. I was talking about moving Tobias plus ballast to like OKC into capspace. Then you can outright sign Harden. The price to move Tobias ain't cheap but it also isn't Ben Simmons +.
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#259 » by dWadeOwnzYou » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:55 pm

I think Simmon will work out a lot better with the Nets then an unmotivated and prone injured Harden. Ben will be rejuvenated, brings the perimeter D that the Nets are sorely lacking and get KD and Kyrie more touches to keep them happy. If Harden stays with the Nets, what or who is going to motivate him to play at a high level?
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Re: Brooklyn and Philly Spent All Day Tuesday Trying To Make Simmons/Harden Deal 

Post#260 » by liquidswords » Wed Feb 9, 2022 7:57 pm

EricAnderson wrote:Sixers have no leverage if the Nets don’t trade him there they can’t get him.

If I’m the Nets I don’t help out a division/conference rival get better.

If you don’t trade him to Philly is he gonna sign with some garbage team with cap space rather then stay with the Nets?

I doubt it.

Id roll the dice that Harden stays If I’m the Nets.


So risk losing one of your biggest assets for zilch, zero, nothing. Great play.

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