Poll: Save Frank or not

Post #21 » by **Kilroy** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:29 pm

euphorbus wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Give him until the deadline, if he hasn't made a huge splash, fire him, hand the reins over to Kupchack and let Klutch know the age of complete control and zero accountability was over...

Keep Vogel, because there's not really anyone better at this point...

Mitch Kupchak is GM of the Charlotte Hornets. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Yeah, I meant Rambis... I've been mixing those guys up for over 30 years... No reason to stop now.

Ball so hard · Post #22 » by **Ball so hard** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:39 am

Kilroy wrote:
euphorbus wrote:
Kilroy wrote:Give him until the deadline, if he hasn't made a huge splash, fire him, hand the reins over to Kupchack and let Klutch know the age of complete control and zero accountability was over...

Keep Vogel, because there's not really anyone better at this point...

Mitch Kupchak is GM of the Charlotte Hornets. He's not going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah, I meant Rambis... I've been mixing those guys up for over 30 years... No reason to stop now.

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they do have quite a bit of similarities. Two tall white guys around the same age who’s been around the Lakers in various capacities for very long time.

euphorbus · Post #23 » by **euphorbus** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:55 pm

Very little of this dysfunction and melodrama is Frank Vogel's fault. And it's a fair inference that the "noise" surrounding the head coach originates in part with LeBron James' camp:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-lakers-true-culprits-for-current-mess-lebron-james-leads-list-beleaguered-frank-vogel-free-of-fault/

That said, can they please start Malik Monk alongside Anthony Davis and LeBron James? It will make a world of difference in the way the game starts out.

tamaraw08 · Post #24 » by **tamaraw08** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 9:52 pm

euphorbus wrote:Very little of this dysfunction and melodrama is Frank Vogel's fault. And it's a fair inference that the "noise" surrounding the head coach originates in part with LeBron James' camp:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-lakers-true-culprits-for-current-mess-lebron-james-leads-list-beleaguered-frank-vogel-free-of-fault/

That said, can they please start Malik Monk alongside Anthony Davis and LeBron James? It will make a world of difference in the way the game starts out.

Firing Vogel will NOT make this team better but that CBS article was a bit biased against Lebron IMO. Most believe that Lebron has huge control over the Lakers and if it is the case, then if he doesn't like Frank, then the coach would have been gone at least a month ago.

Vogel is an excellent head coach. He was when he was in Indianapolis when he helped steer that team to two consecutive Eastern Conference finals appearances. As one NBA coach told me back then, "The guy's the real deal -- he came up in the video department, so he knows his s---. Don't doubt him."

I'm not saying Vogel is stupid or dumb, clearly the guy is a fine strategist particularly on defense, but EXCELLENT? REALLY? :roll:

The writer pointed out the success he had in Indiana, the team but didn't crumble after he left, but he made sure he left out Frank's failures in Orlando where the team was better in DRTG before(under Skiles with AND AFTER HE LEFT THE TEAM, where they got REALLY BETTER under Steve Clifford ranked 8th DRTG compared to 18th with Vogel !.
Again, I am not saying Frank makes dumb mistakes and that he should go, but he's not totally blameless here.

Beethoven · Post #25 » by **Beethoven** » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:36 am

Give him the axe

SlimShady83 · Post #26 » by **SlimShady83** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:48 am

Coach Vogel now has to go ...

I know it's not going to solve any problems, but gettting a new coach might end up being a piece of fresh air for the team and hopefully we'll get one that knows how to draw up plays that aren't just ISO OR pic n rolls

stan francisco · Post #27 » by **stan francisco** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:28 pm

Ball so hard wrote:Not sure i'm reading this correctly.

Would firing Frank improve this team?
This questions is probably incomplete. Who are the alternatives? I can't think of a better replacement that is available right now. Replacing him with Fizdale would not improve this team. Replacing him with Pop or Spoelstra would improve this team.

Save Frank or not?
Save Frank for now. I'm ok with getting rid of Frank so long as you clean house including Pelinka and rebuild the roster. I think roster construction is most at fault for our shortcomings this season.

I started this poll in hopes to see that everyone would say that firing Frank would be a PR scapegoat move that every real Lakers fan would see right through, that Frank isn’t the problem, that the roster construction is. I’m actually surprised to see 25% thinking there’s a coach out there right now that’s better.

If any coach should be fired, fire Fizdale. He seems too unevolved to even be an assistant on this team.

LAKESHOW · Post #28 » by **LAKESHOW** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 9:56 am

Fire Frank Vogel!
It does not matter. A message needs to be sent!

Beethoven · Post #29 » by **Beethoven** » Wed Feb 9, 2022 10:30 pm

yes . bump. fire

SlimShady83 · Post #30 » by **SlimShady83** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 5:46 am

Post #31 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:09 pm

If the Lakers can't trade Westbrook, they're only hope for the season is to bring in a coaching staff who could figure out how to make Westbrook work with AD and LeBron... I think if they can't trade RW, they need to fire Vogel and maybe a few others...

At this point, I'd even be thinking about going full Triangle with the players we have...

So given the fact we haven't heard anything and there's less than an hour to go, I'd say Vogel's pretty much a lock to be fired...

euphorbus · Post #32 » by **euphorbus** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:55 pm

Who knows how to run the Triangle these days?

Post #33 » by **Kilroy** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:47 pm

euphorbus wrote:Who knows how to run the Triangle these days?

Kurt Rambis and Luke Walton to name a couple... Those guys both lost the support of their teams and were fired, but they also didn't really have the personnel to do what they wanted and the org wouldn't support them doing it...

If we made Luke head coach with Kurt advising, and gave him full control of how the team was run, and LeBron and AD, given how **** it's gone so far, could get on board with a new direction, that preserves their energy, while playing to their strengths... AD and LeBron are almost perfect triangle players... And Westbrook could get on board...
It maybe could work...
None of those things are likely to happen though, so it was more of just a thought exercise given the fact that the team isn't going to improve and we gotta watch these idiots limp to a first round exit as an absolute best case..

Again... Both Westbrook and LeBron are expiring after this season... Just saying...

Post #34 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:50 pm

Yes keep him. He has shown he has the balls to bench Westbrook in the 4th.. next coach up will not have such balls

Beethoven · Post #35 » by **Beethoven** » Thu Feb 10, 2022 9:41 pm

I rather have Mike Dantoni run this team Im sure he can find a way to make it work.

Landsberger · Post #36 » by **Landsberger** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:31 am

What did he do? He didn't put a mix of players on the floor that most likely answer to another player over him. This is Bron's team.... this is his mess IMHO.

LAKESHOW · Post #37 » by **LAKESHOW** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:28 am

I'm not goin on the side of fairness. We all know what's going on. Pelinka aint firing himself. Bron aint firing himself. And we want blood. Jeannie, This debacle and disgrace needs blood payment

ROballer · Post #38 » by **ROballer** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 8:47 am

At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

stan francisco · Post #39 » by **stan francisco** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:32 am

ROballer wrote:At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. They played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was)

Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.the coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron? That’s not on Frank.

stan francisco · Post #40 » by **stan francisco** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:32 am

ROballer wrote:At this point we have to acknowledge it's a matter of coaching as well.

Only Lebron played up to his par on the season and Monk exceeded expectations. Every single other piece we have has been underwhelming. And you can put the blame on the players all you want, but the coach needs to do a better job of getting all he can out of his guys as well.

Vogel hasn't done that. He needs to go.

I beg to differ.

For one and a half quarter the other night, we outplayed the Bucks. The ball was swung around, passes were crisp and quick, defensive rotations and intensity was crisp. Westbrook and LBJ were on the bench for much of it. They played great.

It’s not the coaching. Austin Reaves and Stanley Johnson proved that in that 23-4 run (or whatever it was)

Both Westbrook and LeBron are ball hogs.the coach can preach pass the ball all he wants. It’s not up to the coach if LBJ walks it up and goes for a late clock capitulation three.

Adding Westbrook was a really dumb idea — it’s like choosing two toppings for your hot dog and making it ketchup and ketchup. Why add a ball hog when we already have LeBron? That’s not on Frank.