2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[billy_hoyle]

Re: Gordon

He may be amongst the worst defenders at his position in the league at this point, who is 33, is owed 19.6m next season, BUT he is career 37% PT shooter who is shooting 43% this season.

I am not the biggest fan of converting Dragic into a single player but if this is the best that can be done at the deadline, sure.

As for trading an FRP to land him;
I wouldn't be a fan personally because at this point in his career Gordon is just a shooter and generally speaking I am fairly confident that shooting can be addressed in the draft (with far better cost controls) or via the MLE this summer. Despite our awful bench shooting I am pretty sure we could do better than Gordon for cheaper than Gordon and younger than Gordon in the off-season.

Eric Gordon was known to be a good defender, has any metric shown otherwise?

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I can certainly do a little more digging when I am not on my phone,
But his DefRtg is the worst of his career, his DWS has trended negative for the first time in his career, then of course there is the eye test, he looks like he is moving in slow motion compared to even a few seasons ago with the Rox.

He is having a hard time staying in front of quicker guards which makes sense considering he is 33.
On a team where your effort on the other-side of the floor gets you minutes he may have an issue in a Nick Nurse system

Or alternatively, Houston stinks and its hard to put a solid 100% effort in when you are expected to lose.

Could be both instead of an either/or situation.

Guarantee he ticks up a notch by playing on a competitive team, and NOT Houston.

That said, 33 and an injury riddled past, I wouldn't be shocked if he was no longer capable of being a decent defender. That seems about the age players lose a step. He needs to tick up more than a notch to hold his own on our team IMO.

[augustine]

As for trading an FRP to land him;
I wouldn't be a fan personally because at this point in his career Gordon is just a shooter and generally speaking I am fairly confident that shooting can be addressed in the draft (with far better cost controls) or via the MLE this summer. Despite our awful bench shooting I am pretty sure we could do better than Gordon for cheaper than Gordon and younger than Gordon in the off-season.

Of course, if we can land him for 2 2nds, that is great. Or, a second and Flynn, that is great. I suspect he will require a first, mostly because other teams (Phoenix) are in on him hard, so we have to beat their offer. While he is a great shooter, he is still adequate at defending and slashing. The guard spark off the bench is needed, like Norm was.

[Ell Curry]

TJ Warren said to be available. Maybe we can get him without any picks?

Raptors - TJ Warren, useless 5M player
Pacers - Dragic, 2nd rounder from Team X
Team X - Torrey Craig

[Morris_Shatford]

As for trading an FRP to land him;
I wouldn't be a fan personally because at this point in his career Gordon is just a shooter and generally speaking I am fairly confident that shooting can be addressed in the draft (with far better cost controls) or via the MLE this summer. Despite our awful bench shooting I am pretty sure we could do better than Gordon for cheaper than Gordon and younger than Gordon in the off-season.

Of course, if we can land him for 2 2nds, that is great. Or, a second and Flynn, that is great. I suspect he will require a first, mostly because other teams (Phoenix) are in on him hard, so we have to beat their offer. While he is a great shooter, he is still adequate at defending and slashing. The guard spark off the bench is needed, like Norm was.

It really depends on what Houston considers to be more important;
The Suns likely need to offer an FRP because they don't have expiring contracts to add Gordon. The Rox are likely taking on a contract or two that snake into next season whereas the Raps can wash him off the books with a large expiring.

If we are giving up and FRP, my preference would be to get a guy on the right side of 30

[Morris_Shatford]

TJ Warren said to be available. Maybe we can get him without any picks?

Raptors - TJ Warren, useless 5M player
Pacers - Dragic, 2nd rounder from Team X
Team X - Torrey Craig

As crazy as this sounds;
I am not convinced the Pacers are ready to give up on "Bubble LeBron"

Wouldn't be surprised if they retain him this summer.

[Ell Curry]

TJ Warren said to be available. Maybe we can get him without any picks?

Raptors - TJ Warren, useless 5M player
Pacers - Dragic, 2nd rounder from Team X
Team X - Torrey Craig

As crazy as this sounds;
I am not convinced the Pacers are ready to give up on "Bubble LeBron"

Wouldn't be surprised if they retain him this summer.

I don't think it's crazy, they have their 3 guards in Brogdon, Haliburton and Duarte and Turner at center and let's say they draft a forward, they still need forward minutes. Even if they move a rejuvenated Hield for one they'll still need a 3rd forward like Warren.

But reports today say they're looking to move him.

It's interesting that Brogdon is 29. He'd fit us perfectly. Maybe by next trade deadline we'll be thinking about Boucher + MLE player we sign + 1st rounder for him.

[ciueli]

If New York is looking to shed salary Raptors should consider Dragic for Derrick Rose and Taj Gibson. It wouldn't free up a ton of cap space for the Knicks (depends on where their draft pick lands) but it would likely give them more in cap space than the MLE and save them a lot of money next season.

For the Raptors, this fills a desperate need for a backup guard who can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Rose is actually having a pretty nice season in spite of the Knicks lacklustre performance. Gibson is washed up at 36 but he's actually still a decent defender at C in spot minutes and his contract is non-guaranteed next season.

[execoftheyear]

If New York is looking to shed salary Raptors should consider Dragic for Derrick Rose and Taj Gibson. It wouldn't free up a ton of cap space for the Knicks (depends on where their draft pick lands) but it would likely give them more in cap space than the MLE and save them a lot of money next season.

For the Raptors, this fills a desperate need for a backup guard who can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Rose is actually having a pretty nice season in spite of the Knicks lacklustre performance. Gibson is washed up at 36 but he's actually still a decent defender at C in spot minutes and his contract is non-guaranteed next season.

didn't rose just have ankle surgery? Pass

[ciueli]

If New York is looking to shed salary Raptors should consider Dragic for Derrick Rose and Taj Gibson. It wouldn't free up a ton of cap space for the Knicks (depends on where their draft pick lands) but it would likely give them more in cap space than the MLE and save them a lot of money next season.

For the Raptors, this fills a desperate need for a backup guard who can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Rose is actually having a pretty nice season in spite of the Knicks lacklustre performance. Gibson is washed up at 36 but he's actually still a decent defender at C in spot minutes and his contract is non-guaranteed next season.

didn't rose just have ankle surgery? Pass

I'd rather get potentially 2 productive bench players than buy out Dragic, which is the way it's trending right now. A big part of the reason the Knicks faltered is because they lost Rose. He's supposed to be back in a few weeks.

[RapsAndJays21]

We aren't trading a 1st for Eric Gordon

[execoftheyear]

If New York is looking to shed salary Raptors should consider Dragic for Derrick Rose and Taj Gibson. It wouldn't free up a ton of cap space for the Knicks (depends on where their draft pick lands) but it would likely give them more in cap space than the MLE and save them a lot of money next season.

For the Raptors, this fills a desperate need for a backup guard who can handle the ball and shoot 3s, Rose is actually having a pretty nice season in spite of the Knicks lacklustre performance. Gibson is washed up at 36 but he's actually still a decent defender at C in spot minutes and his contract is non-guaranteed next season.

didn't rose just have ankle surgery? Pass

I'd rather get potentially 2 productive bench players than buy out Dragic, which is the way it's trending right now. A big part of the reason the Knicks faltered is because they lost Rose. He's supposed to be back in a few weeks.

Rose is on a 13mil/3 yr contract. No chance we take on that salary for an injury prone player. Dude is 33, doesn't makes sense any way you slice it. Gibson would be a bench warmer and still doesn't address our need in having a bigger center to guard the more traditional centers.

[ciueli]

didn't rose just have ankle surgery? Pass

I'd rather get potentially 2 productive bench players than buy out Dragic, which is the way it's trending right now. A big part of the reason the Knicks faltered is because they lost Rose. He's supposed to be back in a few weeks.

Rose is on a 13mil/3 yr contract. No chance we take on that salary for an injury prone player

The last year is a team option, so it fits perfectly for when the Raptors need financial flexibility. And it's not too big a contract to fit under the tax next season either.

The other deal I was looking at was Dragic to Orlando for Ross and Lopez, but Rose is probably the better fit due to his ballhandling ability.

[execoftheyear]

I'd rather get potentially 2 productive bench players than buy out Dragic, which is the way it's trending right now. A big part of the reason the Knicks faltered is because they lost Rose. He's supposed to be back in a few weeks.

Rose is on a 13mil/3 yr contract. No chance we take on that salary for an injury prone player

The last year is a team option, so it fits perfectly for when the Raptors need financial flexibility. And it's not too big a contract to fit under the tax next season either.

The other deal I was looking at was Dragic to Orlando for Ross and Lopez, but Rose is probably the better fit due to his ballhandling ability.

It's potentially going to be a Dragic situation all over again. I wouldn't risk it with Glass (I mean Rose). Ross I don't mind. He's exactly what this team needs off the bench and Lopez is a 7 footer that can defend somewhat.

[Rapsfan07]

TJ Warren said to be available. Maybe we can get him without any picks?

Raptors - TJ Warren, useless 5M player
Pacers - Dragic, 2nd rounder from Team X
Team X - Torrey Craig

As crazy as this sounds;
I am not convinced the Pacers are ready to give up on "Bubble LeBron"

Wouldn't be surprised if they retain him this summer.

I don't think it's crazy, they have their 3 guards in Brogdon, Haliburton and Duarte and Turner at center and let's say they draft a forward, they still need forward minutes. Even if they move a rejuvenated Hield for one they'll still need a 3rd forward like Warren.

But reports today say they're looking to move him.

It's interesting that Brogdon is 29. He'd fit us perfectly. Maybe by next trade deadline we'll be thinking about Boucher + MLE player we sign + 1st rounder for him.

Boucher should be gone by tomorrow if they're doing things right

[RapsAndJays21]

I don't want Rose at all

[Ell Curry]

As crazy as this sounds;
I am not convinced the Pacers are ready to give up on "Bubble LeBron"

Wouldn't be surprised if they retain him this summer.

I don't think it's crazy, they have their 3 guards in Brogdon, Haliburton and Duarte and Turner at center and let's say they draft a forward, they still need forward minutes. Even if they move a rejuvenated Hield for one they'll still need a 3rd forward like Warren.

But reports today say they're looking to move him.

It's interesting that Brogdon is 29. He'd fit us perfectly. Maybe by next trade deadline we'll be thinking about Boucher + MLE player we sign + 1st rounder for him.

Boucher should be gone by tomorrow if they're doing things right

Totally disagree. We have Bird rights and he's playing well. Only reason to deal him is if we think someone will give him a 3rd year. 20M/2 years is fine. We're better with him on the court, stats are pretty clear.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

We’re not trading a mid first round pick for someone who is barely starter quality. From what Bobby said they’d rather do nothing than move draft capital for returns that aren’t worth it

[tecumseh18]

Rose is on a 13mil/3 yr contract. No chance we take on that salary for an injury prone player

The last year is a team option, so it fits perfectly for when the Raptors need financial flexibility. And it's not too big a contract to fit under the tax next season either.

The other deal I was looking at was Dragic to Orlando for Ross and Lopez, but Rose is probably the better fit due to his ballhandling ability.

It's potentially going to be a Dragic situation all over again. I wouldn't risk it with Glass (I mean Rose). Ross I don't mind. He's exactly what this team needs off the bench and Lopez is a 7 footer that can defend somewhat.

Those are two terrible, terrible players. I'd rather Cory and Kelly.

[Rapsobsessed7]

What about:

To TOR: Holmes + Gordon
To HOU: Dragic + Flynn
To SAC: Boucher + 2nd Round Pick (TOR) + Future 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Toronto: Gets Eric Gordon off the bench and Holmes a true C

Houston: Gets to cut a year off Gordons deal + Flynn (former 1st round pick)

Sacramento: Gets a better fit next to Sabonis + 2 2nds.

[Rapsfan07]

I don't think it's crazy, they have their 3 guards in Brogdon, Haliburton and Duarte and Turner at center and let's say they draft a forward, they still need forward minutes. Even if they move a rejuvenated Hield for one they'll still need a 3rd forward like Warren.

But reports today say they're looking to move him.

It's interesting that Brogdon is 29. He'd fit us perfectly. Maybe by next trade deadline we'll be thinking about Boucher + MLE player we sign + 1st rounder for him.

Boucher should be gone by tomorrow if they're doing things right

Totally disagree. We have Bird rights and he's playing well. Only reason to deal him is if we think someone will give him a 3rd year. 20M/2 years is fine. We're better with him on the court, stats are pretty clear.

I don't see why someone wouldn't give him a 3rd year. I'm fairly certain that's a forgone conclusion at this point.

As far as being better with him on the court, I agree but as I often say - we need to have our eyes on the future. If Boucher can bring back a reasonably valuable piece for the future, I expect Masai to pull the trigger.