Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2

[HopelessKnick]

that's kinda what the Knicks have always done and it hasn't worked

it's not too late. if they went on a fire-sale and actually sold Randle, Burks, Fournier etc. they'd be able to push themselves up 2-4 spots in the tank standings

It feels too late. It’s not like we are winning a lot with those guys as it is. 538 says we will finish 36-46 which is tied for 9th. At 8th they have the spurs at 32-50 4 games back from us. We have already won 24 games, and for all we know getting rid of those guys helps us win even more. We do have a tough schedule. But we are really talking about battling for one pick position. When for all we know the team behind us wins the lottery anyway because Knicks

I think trading Randle would really help the tank. w/o him, we wouldn't have much shot creation. and we still have the 5th toughest SOS remaining. Pelicans and Kings are trying to win. Blazers should get Dame back too

Unfortunately Blazer won't be getting Dame back. He said he'd only come back if it is worthwhile. The Blazers went out of their way and traded their second and third best player to tank and get the highest draft pick possible. They now have Anfernee Simons playing by himself with Nurkic----I'd bet they won't win more than 4-5 games the rest of the way. They are a lock for the 5th worst record, maybe even higher.

Pelicans and Sacramento may overtake us. Actually I'm still hoping for a late season return of Zion but Pelicans could very well win with CJ + Ingram + Jonas alone. Sacramento is the wild card.......If last night's game is any indication they may as well win some more games. Remains to be seen. San Antonio will at some point sit Murray and tank---they have done it before and they'll do it again. There is likely also an outside chance of them trading Poeltl today for future assets.

[Adelheid]

The 3-team trade rumor is being reported in a lot of sports news sites. Looks like it actually has legs

[Worst_to_First]

I’d rather fire Tim Thibodeau than trade Cam lol but oh well.

[thebuzzardman]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

[knickstape4ever]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

exactly

if the FO wanted cap space to get Brunson, they shouldn't have used it all last offseason. burning a 1st round pick is malpractice IMO

[thebuzzardman]

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This is just so stupid. I really can’t believe it. Why gift the Lakers such talent? Even if we get picks back, we just traded a first for Reddish and he’s such a talent himself, too.

Well, it can't be "we traded a first" and "Reddish, he's a talent himself"

Cam is either "the talent" or "the pick", as Knicks wouldn't have had both.

It sucks that the Knicks have to include a pick what the pick became, in Cam, in order to get Burks and Noel off the books.
Like, they could have just not signed them. Or, maybe, not signed Noel and Taj, spent 4 million on some JAG C to backup Mitch and hold down C, and then have only had to clear Burks.

That assumes that they would have still gone ahead with the garbage Kemba, Fournier and Randle signings.

I hate the trade. I'd rather they find out what Cam could become, though honestly, not much. However, it's a good sign for his career that the Knicks traded him, since they whiff on player assessment every time. If he stayed, he'd suck, but if traded from the Knicks, he'll probably be a star.

The only silver lining I can find, if there is one, is that the Knicks get back a #1 pick from the Lakers and two 2nd rounders from both the Lakers and Raptors. Trying to make this as Knicksian/Brock Allerish as possible.
Then the Knicks moved a #1 for what became a different #1, got a 2nd rounder for Noel and Burks each - probably their value, but not the BEST deal - always the hope a team would surrender a late first, and cleared away some random 7th man in Burks and a crap backup in Noel, for some cap flexibility for some specific target they have in mind, probably Brunson.
Where, this might be the one player that Leon and Rose have any actual intel on.
Though it would be hilarious if they do this and he signs in Detroit along with Mitch.

[thebuzzardman]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

exactly

if the FO wanted cap space to get Brunson, they shouldn't have used it all last offseason. burning a 1st round pick is malpractice IMO

I'll always attempt to see the big picture and if there's a chance it either "works out" or is a "neutral" move - more or less.
In the reply to Spree, there MIGHT be a path where it's kind of a wash/asset gather of a barely impressive manner/cap clearance that's "ok"

The only thing I think could salvage a deal like this, and this would only apply to people who aren't prospect huggers or just love Cam etc etc, is where the Knicks get a #1 pick back from either Toronto or the Lakers, plus a couple of 2nd rounders. Or, and I doubt this, another 1st rounder - Knicks get two 1st rounders - one from each team.

Where the Lakers #1 replaces the Knicks #1 that went for Cam
2 2nd rounders are what Noel and Burks fetch
Some cap space is produced.

The obvious thing that sucks here is Knicks didn't try to get some athletic youth, they just viewed Cam as a random asset, that the Knicks moved a pick to get Cam and instead of just recovering that pick or adding to the asset base with Cam and then ANOTHER pick from moving vets, the Knicks sort of treaded water asset wise.

Also hilarious would be that two young promising players would move in the trade - Cam, and THT, and the Knicks would get neither, but two teams that have generally been very good, are the ones to get them, while the Knicks get broken ass Tragic, who is only going to get released and not play anyway.

[spree2kawhi]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

[thebuzzardman]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

I think Brunson is good and I like players that play equally well on and off the ball. I think it makes it easier to fit other players with them, like very talented players who might have a flaw - then it isn't trying to match flaws, since the role players are well rounded - Grimes, RJ, Brunson.

I'm less sold on Cam then you are. I've kind of been dumping on him for jokes, but I think he's raw but could develop, and has skills in there. There have been skilled and athletic players who didn't put it all together for whatever reason, and we had two - Mudiay and Mario - both had size for their position, athleticism, some skills, and yet were just ... not that good. They were "ok".

It's a good discussion.

And, I'd rather have Cam, or the pick that got him, AND an alternate universe where the Knicks signed better players than Noel or Burks, so those guys returned a 1st and 2nd by themselves, instead of the Knicks having to attach a player/pick (I see Cam as either or)

[msanchez2725]

I’m pretty sure we can’t trade Cam with multiple players. That trade rumor by Scotto is pure BS. Cam can only be traded by himself or draft picks included.

[thebuzzardman]

Can absolutely see a future where the Knicks:

Sign Brunson
Got Mo Bamba
Lose Mitch
Trade Cam

It's so Knicks. It's the CAA Orlando Knicks All Stars

[BLACKFEET 2010]

I’m pretty sure we can’t trade Cam with multiple players. That trade rumor by Scotto is pure BS. Cam can only be traded by himself or draft picks included.

He can absolutely be traded bruh.

[thebuzzardman]

I’m pretty sure we can’t trade Cam with multiple players. That trade rumor by Scotto is pure BS. Cam can only be traded by himself or draft picks included.

I'd assume there's a way around this by doing one trade, finishing it, and then doing another.

Again, you might be right - I'm aware of the rule. But there are probably ways to circumvent it that the league doesn't mind.

[spree2kawhi]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

I think Brunson is good and I like players that play equally well on and off the ball. I think it makes it easier to fit other players with them, like very talented players who might have a flaw - then it isn't trying to match flaws, since the role players are well rounded - Grimes, RJ, Brunson.

I'm less sold on Cam then you are. I've kind of been dumping on him for jokes, but I think he's raw but could develop, and has skills in there. There have been skilled and athletic players who didn't put it all together for whatever reason, and we had two - Mudiay and Mario - both had size for their position, athleticism, some skills, and yet were just ... not that good. They were "ok".

It's a good discussion.

And, I'd rather have Cam, or the pick that got him, AND an alternate universe where the Knicks signed better players than Noel or Burks, so those guys returned a 1st and 2nd by themselves, instead of the Knicks having to attach a player/pick (I see Cam as either or)

I understand that, but look around the league. SF may be the position with the lowest overall talent-level. If we kept Reddish, I think we’d be set. It’s what the Warriors did with Wiggins. Imo that’s prudent and also a very fitting comparison. Reddish is a keeper, of which we only have two: him and RJ. Trading him after acquiring him for a FRP would be foolish. He is absolutely playable as a starter IF you don’t suck overall. Again, look at Wiggins. He’s an all star now.

[Ray Williams]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

If this is the best they could come up with their plan must be to sabotage the team. Can’t think of any fan in his or her right mind thinking this is a good trade. Who would want to watch that **** show? Brunson is a poor man’s Chris Childs and he’s the master plan? GTFOH!

[thebuzzardman]

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

I think Brunson is good and I like players that play equally well on and off the ball. I think it makes it easier to fit other players with them, like very talented players who might have a flaw - then it isn't trying to match flaws, since the role players are well rounded - Grimes, RJ, Brunson.

I'm less sold on Cam then you are. I've kind of been dumping on him for jokes, but I think he's raw but could develop, and has skills in there. There have been skilled and athletic players who didn't put it all together for whatever reason, and we had two - Mudiay and Mario - both had size for their position, athleticism, some skills, and yet were just ... not that good. They were "ok".

It's a good discussion.

And, I'd rather have Cam, or the pick that got him, AND an alternate universe where the Knicks signed better players than Noel or Burks, so those guys returned a 1st and 2nd by themselves, instead of the Knicks having to attach a player/pick (I see Cam as either or)

I understand that, but look around the league. SF may be the position with the lowest overall talent-level. If we kept Reddish, I think we’d be set. It’s what the Warriors did with Wiggins. Imo that’s prudent and also a very fitting comparison. Reddish is a keeper, of which we only have two: him and RJ. Trading him after acquiring him for a FRP would be foolish. He is absolutely playable as a starter IF you don’t suck overall. Again, look at Wiggins. He’s an all star now.

Wiggins was playing at a higher level than Cam. It's not the greatest example, but I get your point.
Again, I hope they keep Cam.

[spree2kawhi]

Can absolutely see a future where the Knicks:

Sign Brunson
Got Mo Bamba
Lose Mitch
Trade Cam

It's so Knicks. It's the CAA Orlando Knicks All Stars

Definitely. And like with Randle and Jeremy Lin before, we’d quickly find out that Brunson has been outplaying his ceiling this year and will in an instant come crashing down to earth without Luka by his side.

[spree2kawhi]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

If this is the best they could come up with their plan must be to sabotage the team. Can’t think of any fan in his or her right mind thinking this is a good trade. Who would want to watch that **** show? Brunson is a poor man’s Chris Childs and he’s the master plan? GTFOH!

Preach lol

[thebuzzardman]

So, the Knicks big master plan, according to a tweet some Cavs mod just HAD to troll our forum with, is this:

Trade 2 guys the team just re-upped for two years, but have to burn a #1 pick to do it, since the #1 went out for Reddish and Reddish is in the trade, all to get Doran "The Broken Slovenian" Dragic, another broken, over 30 PG (this time over 35!).

I'd assume this master plan isn't to acquire the awesome basketball skills of Goran Tragic, since he hasn't played but 5 games this year for a team that could use backup PG, but as a way to clear out players...well, it's not playing time for anyone. Not Cam. He's in the trade. Grimes? Sims?

No, it's to clear cap space for Brunson.

So, Knicks capped themselves into a corner, where they had to know Brunson was going to be a UFA this offseason, and to get out of it, they are burning an asset, in the form of a, granted, low 1st round pick or Cam Reddish, on the CHANCE that Brunson signs with them and not the Mavs or Detroit or whoever else either has cap space, creates it, or could do a good S&T/FA signing with Brunson that sends the Mavs assets that are actually good.

While doing this, they get less athletic on the wing, only in the regard that Cam was the only true SF on the team and one of the only wings with length and athleticism at the same time. On the other hand Cam sort of sucks, so I get that. But the team absolutely pivots from any kind of attempt to get younger and develop a player, though it's the Knicks and we know they can't assess 2nd draft guys, so there's that.

Still, it winds up basically trading Burks - probably the only useful (using term broadly here) asset they have over this season and next, Noel, who sucks, so whatever, and having to attach a 1st to get some team to take them, because they aren't that useful after all.

All to sign a player they might not get.

Good job.

You’re spot-on, but I think it’s even a little worse than that. Reddish can actually play, I watched him and Some others in Atl, especially Huerter, closely.

We’re moving in the wrong direction yet again. Dare I say it: I’d rather have Reddish as our Swiss-army-knife, talented and athletically gifted SF with room to grow, than Brunson at all. He’s a homeless man’s FVV who is doing merely okay as a too small point guard where actually Luka freaking Doncic runs point. Brunson = Charly Ward. FOH with this sort of direction.

Imagining a team of Brunson and Randle makes me want to throw up. This is as boring and underwhelming as it could possibly get.

If this is the best they could come up with their plan must be to sabotage the team. Can’t think of any fan in his or her right mind thinking this is a good trade. Who would want to watch that **** show? Brunson is a poor man’s Chris Childs and he’s the master plan? GTFOH!

Brunson is good. He's not awesome, but he's good.
This isn't the "master plan"
I hate this FO as much as anyone, but is it THAT tragic if a #1 pick got turned into another #1 pick and Burks and Noel got turned into earlier cap space and 2 2nd rounders?

I'm not going to get into some long argument over the benefits of tanking vs incremental building.
I'd rather tank
I advocated HARD for tanking for YEARS. Full Hinke. Before and after the draft rule changes, all of them.
But there is a path to get better without doing that.
Mostly, the Knicks FO just sucks, because they never hire well so they are always turning it over every 2.5 years and replacing it ith more suck

In a vacuum, the trade could be Burks and Noel for 2 2nds and cap space.
That's not so terrible. It's not specifically good, but it's not terrible.

[Ray Williams]

So this guy has info both Windhorst and Woj don’t. Don’t believe it, he’s just trying to Robert Randolph the laker fans.