Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2

[Buttah304]

The other aspect about the Halliburton deal that’s disappointing is that there is no way this front office is simply sending Randle out for contracts that are much shorter. Even if they don’t get back the value they believe, they can’t see that it’s best for the team to move on both in the short and long term.

You just know that Leon and his cronies are going to sit there and say that Randle just lead us to our first playoff in 7 years, averaged 24-11-6 and was 2nd Team ALL NBA. If Sabonis can net Tyrese, then Randle can do the same if not better.

This is not taking into account that Sabonis:

-Is two years younger
-His contract is much less of a financial burden ($19 million to $28 million)
-He appears to be a better teammate and easier to coach with a much better attitude
-Other worldly more efficient (64.6% TS to 51.4%)
-More unselfish with less of a “I gotta get mine” mentality
-Puts up the same, if not better numbers than Randle yet his usage rate is 22% compared to Randles 27.5%

If people really believe we could have received Halliburton for Randle-IQ-2023 Unprotected 1st and 2 Seconds that’s fine. But I don’t see that as something Kings leadership would ever have accepted.

Do you (in your personal opinion) think there's any trade package the Kings would've accepted, regardless of whether or not you think it'd have been worth it?

Yes I do actually:

Incoming: Halliburton and Buddy Hield

Outgoing: Randle-IQ-Grimes-Knicks Unprotected 2022 1st, Knicks Unprotected 2024 1st, 2 Seconds, Pick Swap 2026

Not sure if salaries match up, but I believe there was a way to get this done without adding RJ.

[thebuzzardman]

Are we in the deal zone now?

More like:

[HerSports85]

Cam can't be traded with another player so I don't see what's going on here.

[thebuzzardman]

The Knicks - and especially Scott Perry - are known to value quantity over quality.

It's not how you build a winning team.

With all the money they had, maybe it would have been better to sign two or MAYBE three younger, better players and fill out the roster with drafted players and G-league garbage.

At least then, when it was time to deal, the "Assets" would be Randle, RJ, Obi, IQ, Grimes, McBride, Player X, Player Y, Player Z. with players 10-17 various G-League fodder.

[seren]

The other aspect about the Halliburton deal that’s disappointing is that there is no way this front office is simply sending Randle out for contracts that are much shorter. Even if they don’t get back the value they believe, they can’t see that it’s best for the team to move on both in the short and long term.

You just know that Leon and his cronies are going to sit there and say that Randle just lead us to our first playoff in 7 years, averaged 24-11-6 and was 2nd Team ALL NBA. If Sabonis can net Tyrese, then Randle can do the same if not better.

This is not taking into account that Sabonis:

-Is two years younger
-His contract is much less of a financial burden ($19 million to $28 million)
-He appears to be a better teammate and easier to coach with a much better attitude
-Other worldly more efficient (64.6% TS to 51.4%)
-More unselfish with less of a “I gotta get mine” mentality
-Puts up the same, if not better numbers than Randle yet his usage rate is 22% compared to Randles 27.5%

If people really believe we could have received Halliburton for Randle-IQ-2023 Unprotected 1st and 2 Seconds that’s fine. But I don’t see that as something Kings leadership would ever have accepted.

Do you (in your personal opinion) think there's any trade package the Kings would've accepted, regardless of whether or not you think it'd have been worth it?

Yes I do actually:

Incoming: Halliburton and Buddy Hield

Outgoing: Randle-IQ-Grimes-Knicks Unprotected 2022 1st, Knicks Unprotected 2024 1st, 2 Seconds, Pick Swap 2026

Not sure if salaries match up, but I believe there was a way to get this done without adding RJ.

My guess is Kings owner was fixated on Sabonis. These decisions are not as clear cut as who had the best package

[Chanel Bomber]

The other aspect about the Halliburton deal that’s disappointing is that there is no way this front office is simply sending Randle out for contracts that are much shorter. Even if they don’t get back the value they believe, they can’t see that it’s best for the team to move on both in the short and long term.

You just know that Leon and his cronies are going to sit there and say that Randle just lead us to our first playoff in 7 years, averaged 24-11-6 and was 2nd Team ALL NBA. If Sabonis can net Tyrese, then Randle can do the same if not better.

This is not taking into account that Sabonis:

-Is two years younger
-His contract is much less of a financial burden ($19 million to $28 million)
-He appears to be a better teammate and easier to coach with a much better attitude
-Other worldly more efficient (64.6% TS to 51.4%)
-More unselfish with less of a “I gotta get mine” mentality
-Puts up the same, if not better numbers than Randle yet his usage rate is 22% compared to Randles 27.5%

If people really believe we could have received Halliburton for Randle-IQ-2023 Unprotected 1st and 2 Seconds that’s fine. But I don’t see that as something Kings leadership would ever have accepted.

Do you (in your personal opinion) think there's any trade package the Kings would've accepted, regardless of whether or not you think it'd have been worth it?

Yes I do actually:

Incoming: Halliburton and Buddy Hield

Outgoing: Randle-IQ-Grimes-Knicks Unprotected 2022 1st, Knicks Unprotected 2024 1st, 2 Seconds, Pick Swap 2026

Not sure if salaries match up, but I believe there was a way to get this done without adding RJ.

I see. Would you have done it?

I know where you stand on this, and you know where I stand on this since we already discussed it, but do you think RJ and Randle (and maybe say IQ) would have been enough simply in terms of realistically getting a deal done?

[WargamesX]

Cam can't be traded with another player so I don't see the what's going on here.

It would have to be two deals. The rumor about adding Nunn sounds like that would be the second deal straight up for Cam.

[duetta]

Sabonis is a two-time all star - and he comes off as an extremely polished, talented ball distributor. He may not be ultimately effective in that role but he looks like he should be effective.

[thebuzzardman]

Taj is the rare lovable vet on this team. 3rd string, low salary, never complains, good leader, and all around good dude. Just plays when the other Cs are hurt which happens a lot. And actually plays pretty good. He was battling Jokic as best he could and doing pretty good. I actually feel bad for him now. He deserves a better team

I've come to hate him as associated with Thibs and all the "win now" vets.

He's a great guy.
Great NYC guy
Does great things in the city

Get him and Thibs and Rose and Noel and Burks and Fournier and Walker the f*ck off my team.

God bless Taj, but they could have paid a couple of G-League guys with a little promise that money.

[DowNY]

https://youtu.be/mzabT9JPWbM

Seems to be various Knick/Laker 3team & 4team deals involving Burks according to Woj

[Buttah304]

For all of the bad shots Cam appears to take that can be cleaned up. The only thing I really question is that his motor seems poor at times.

Having said that, we don’t have anyone at his size and length at the SF position. You can picture him intercepting the passing lanes and creating deflections/steals because of it. You traded a Top 18 protected 1st (that would have converted to 2 seconds) just play the guy. He absolutely has talent and while we say that far too often, a good franchise/coaching department should be able to bring the best out of him.

As soon as I say to not discuss this front office they get involved in things that are beyond comprehension.

[DowNY]

Cam can't be traded with another player so I don't see the what's going on here.

It would have to be two deals. The rumor about adding Nunn sounds like that would be the second deal straight up for Cam.

Lol imagine trading a young prospect you traded a 1st for less than a month ago to the desperate Lakers for a player in Nunn who curved you in the summer for them. Just for the Lakers to either have a young wing with potential on a team with Lebron building trade value in the summer that’s going to exceed THT.

[HerSports85]

so basically he's asking for a trade

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Taj is the rare lovable vet on this team. 3rd string, low salary, never complains, good leader, and all around good dude. Just plays when the other Cs are hurt which happens a lot. And actually plays pretty good. He was battling Jokic as best he could and doing pretty good. I actually feel bad for him now. He deserves a better team

I've come to hate him as associated with Thibs and all the "win now" vets.

He's a great guy.
Great NYC guy
Does great things in the city

Get him and Thibs and Rose and Noel and Burks and Fournier and Walker the f*ck off my team.

God bless Taj, but they could have paid a couple of G-League guys with a little promise that money.

Guilty by association.

[seren]

https://youtu.be/mzabT9JPWbM

Seems to be various Knick/Laker 3team & 4team deals involving Burks according to Woj

Honestly I don’t see how Lakers can make a move. They don’t have a single favorable contract outside the veteran minimums. No half promising young players. Their one pick is 5 years in the future.

[duetta]

Harden is bad news and I'm thrilled that the Nets mortgaged their future to get him.

[ag3]

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If we trade Cam for Dragic and a trash pick all I can do is laugh

Yeah but it's a good salary dump. Noel + Burks gone off our books and Dragic is expiring as well.

I would do this deal in a heart beat.

[Deeeez Knicks]

For all of the bad shots Cam appears to take that can be cleaned up. The only thing I really question is that his motor seems poor at times.

Having said that, we don’t have anyone at his size and length at the SF position. You can picture him intercepting the passing lanes and creating deflections/steals because of it. You traded a Top 18 protected 1st (that would have converted to 2 seconds) just play the guy. He absolutely has talent and while we say that far too often, a good franchise/coaching department should be able to bring the best out of him.

As soon as I say to not discuss this front office they get involved in things that are beyond comprehension.

I want to see Cam play more as a small ball 4 next to RJ. Would love to finally put some small, quick, spread lineups around RJ and Mitch. Open up the floor for them like almost every other team in the league though...Thibs will never do that though. We gotta have 2 rim rolling bigs on the floor at all times next to RJ

[Buttah304]

Do you (in your personal opinion) think there's any trade package the Kings would've accepted, regardless of whether or not you think it'd have been worth it?

Yes I do actually:

Incoming: Halliburton and Buddy Hield

Outgoing: Randle-IQ-Grimes-Knicks Unprotected 2022 1st, Knicks Unprotected 2024 1st, 2 Seconds, Pick Swap 2026

Not sure if salaries match up, but I believe there was a way to get this done without adding RJ.

I see. Would you have done it?

I know where you stand on this, and you know where I stand on this since we already discussed it, but do you think RJ and Randle (and maybe say IQ) would have been enough simply in terms of realistically getting a deal done?

If we were offering RJ than Halliburton would be getting ready to play tonight in Golden State.

Personally I wouldn’t have included RJ in a trade package for Tyrese. But I would have highly considered the package I presented. I wouldn’t feel great about it, because it’s as STEEP a price as you’ll pay for a 2nd year player. But I could sell myself on the idea that Cam could step into Grimes role and McBride could step into IQs role. The 2 unprotected 1sts are killer but what can do you.

Halliburton-RJ-Reddish-Obi-Mitch

I wouldn’t miss a minute of any game.

[aq_ua]

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so basically he's asking for a trade

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Yes, and in the worst possible way. Not only do I want to break up with you, I want to go back to my old girlfriend and talk bad about you behind your back, but I want to make sure you don’t hate me for it.