Deadline Discussion Thread - Thursday 2/10 3pm - Part 2

[TerrenceClarke]

If we trade Cam for Dragic and a trash pick all I can do is laugh

Yeah but it's a good salary dump. Noel + Burks gone off our books and Dragic is expiring as well.

I would do this deal in a heart beat.

Yeah I feel some folks are missing that aspect of the proposed deal for us. Shedding the salaries of Burks and Noel with the only real asset being used to do so being Cam would be amazing honestly. The Knicks need to scrap the work they did in the off season in the worst way. I’d be more upset about it if Cam was actually being used and looked good here but that’s not the case. So might as well

You bugging. Its a sign of even worse management. Cause the traded away a pick for cam in the first place. You honestly think Cam, Noel, Burks will give up any kind of valuable pick? lol.

Who cares about Noel and Burks Salary. They are not even guaranteed past next season. We still not signing any body this offseason of note.


Dont fall for **** like this. Its not a real trade proposal. Again who the hell is giving up "picks" for that trio of players.

[mpharris36]

if they get a 1st back of equal value they used to get cam, the cam trade is fine. he must really look like sh*t to them for them to give up hope on him already. the problem with that report tho is he has to be traded alone.

exactly, Thibs clearly has no interest in playing him and Cam who already came with the mindset he thinks he can be a superstar and wanted to play probably hasn't been a happy camper and thibs probably doesn't care to play him even after the trade deadline.

You recoup a similar type of 1st at least value wise its fine.

They clearly are trying to get a get of of jail free card reset...it looks horrible be it probably was there only option to save there jobs.

It also puts them into play for Brunson in the offseason...who we know the entire organization loves.

[SelbyCobra]

I see. Would you have done it?

I know where you stand on this, and you know where I stand on this since we already discussed it, but do you think RJ and Randle (and maybe say IQ) would have been enough simply in terms of realistically getting a deal done?

If we were offering RJ than Halliburton would be getting ready to play tonight in Golden State.

Personally I wouldn’t have included RJ in a trade package for Tyrese. But I would have highly considered the package I presented. I wouldn’t feel great about it, because it’s as STEEP a price as you’ll pay for a 2nd year player. But I could sell myself on the idea that Cam could step into Grimes role and McBride could step into IQs role. The 2 unprotected 1sts are killer but what can do you.

Halliburton-RJ-Reddish-Obi-Mitch

I wouldn’t miss a minute of any game.

Yea, i would have done what i could to pair RJ and Hali. Maybe it wouldn't have been possible, but not too confident the Knicks tried hard enough. Don't think the Knicks were willing to give up Randle + enough assets so the talks died and Kings moved on. Kings were the team we needed to make a deal with.

The Kings wanted an established, All-Star big. The end. The "enough assets" aspect of this hypothetical is irrelevant. They currently are in the midst of the longest playoff drought in NBA history at 15 consecutive seasons. They only reason they were trading their young, valuable backcourt piece was to acquire a young, valuable frontcourt version in order to try and win games right now.

No amount of picks or future considerations could outweigh the importance of receiving a comparably really good player in the deal, even if the sum of the future considerations from the Knicks hypothetical technically outweighed the value of Sabonis. The Kings simply weren't looking for that class of asset to move Haliburton.

[robillionaire]

Yeah but it's a good salary dump. Noel + Burks gone off our books and Dragic is expiring as well.

I would do this deal in a heart beat.

Yeah I feel some folks are missing that aspect of the proposed deal for us. Shedding the salaries of Burks and Noel with the only real asset being used to do so being Cam would be amazing honestly. The Knicks need to scrap the work they did in the off season in the worst way. I’d be more upset about it if Cam was actually being used and looked good here but that’s not the case. So might as well

You bugging. Its a sign of even worse management. Cause the traded away a pick for cam in the first place. You honestly think Cam, Noel, Burks will give up any kind of valuable pick? lol.

Who cares about Noel and Burks Salary. They are not even guaranteed past next season. We still not signing any body this offseason of note.


Dont fall for **** like this. Its not a real trade proposal. Again who the hell is giving up "picks" for that trio of players.

I mostly agree but they probably want to clear cap space to make a run at Brunson. Who in all likelihood won’t come here anyway

[Spree2Houston]

Burks are Noel are essentially expiring next year. We don’t need to attach Cam to move them. A few seconds should be able to do the trick. Now if you’re trying to move Fournier, then yeah you will need an asset to move him.

[will34]

if they get a 1st back of equal value they used to get cam, the cam trade is fine. he must really look like sh*t to them for them to give up hope on him already. the problem with that report tho is he has to be traded alone.

exactly, Thibs clearly has no interest in playing him and Cam who already came with the mindset he thinks he can be a superstar and wanted to play probably hasn't been a happy camper and thibs probably doesn't care to play him even after the trade deadline.

You recoup a similar type of 1st at least value wise its fine.

They clearly are trying to get a get of of jail free card reset...it looks horrible be it probably was there only option to save there jobs.

It also puts them into play for Brunson in the offseason...who we know the entire organization loves.

He must look brutal in practice. Look at Grimes. He apparently showed out in practice and got his shot.

[Deeeez Knicks]

yeah I don't think the Knicks proposed deal is awful.

It does admit the FO are idiots and are not aligned selling off moves in less then a year for zero value.

But I think people are overrating Cam Reddish value around the league. We got him for a heavily protected 1st and Kevin Knox...If we can bring back a similar protected 1st back in this trade. Its essentially Burks/Noel for expiring and a 2nd round picks...I would sign up for that.

Also makes us a little more tanky and open up minutes for Grimes even when Rose comes back.

Yea, im fine with the deal if they can recoup a similar pick back.

Cam wasn't a bad risk, but don't know if we will know what he we will be by the time we have to resign him.

Just start blowing the vet core up

[snadler]

to get rid of Noel and Burks contract you would most likely had to deal a 1st anyway, now instead of a first they would attach Cam..it's not that complicated..it sucks that the Noel and Burks contracts were so awful they have to give up and asset just to make up for a mistake, but we knew this was coming..

[god shammgod]

Burks are Noel are essentially expiring next year. We don’t need to attach Cam to move them. A few seconds should be able to do the trick. Now if you’re trying to move Fournier, then yeah you will need an asset to move him.

the word is nobody really wants them

[GONYK]

yeah I don't think the Knicks proposed deal is awful.

It does admit the FO are idiots and are not aligned selling off moves in less then a year for zero value.

But I think people are overrating Cam Reddish value around the league. We got him for a heavily protected 1st and Kevin Knox...If we can bring back a similar protected 1st back in this trade. Its essentially Burks/Noel for expiring and a 2nd round picks...I would sign up for that.

Also makes us a little more tanky and open up minutes for Grimes even when Rose comes back.

i think part of it too is dumping the burks/noel salaries makes re-signing mitch easier

That's the only angle that makes sense, otherwise I don't understand the urgency to get out of Burks and Noel a year early.

It also clears some hurdles to pursuing Brunson

[god shammgod]

the raptors are the real losers in this. noel & tht are both terrible this year. both have more years on their deals. i wouldn't be surprised if noel doesn't pass his physical.

[god shammgod]

yeah I don't think the Knicks proposed deal is awful.

It does admit the FO are idiots and are not aligned selling off moves in less then a year for zero value.

But I think people are overrating Cam Reddish value around the league. We got him for a heavily protected 1st and Kevin Knox...If we can bring back a similar protected 1st back in this trade. Its essentially Burks/Noel for expiring and a 2nd round picks...I would sign up for that.

Also makes us a little more tanky and open up minutes for Grimes even when Rose comes back.

i think part of it too is dumping the burks/noel salaries makes re-signing mitch easier

That's the only angle that makes sense, otherwise I don't understand the urgency to get out of Burks and Noel a year early.

It also clears some hurdles to pursuing Brunson

they can also cut taj before free agency and open up some more money. mitch's cap hold is nothing so that helps get both done if they want.

[mpharris36]

Yeah I feel some folks are missing that aspect of the proposed deal for us. Shedding the salaries of Burks and Noel with the only real asset being used to do so being Cam would be amazing honestly. The Knicks need to scrap the work they did in the off season in the worst way. I’d be more upset about it if Cam was actually being used and looked good here but that’s not the case. So might as well

You bugging. Its a sign of even worse management. Cause the traded away a pick for cam in the first place. You honestly think Cam, Noel, Burks will give up any kind of valuable pick? lol.

Who cares about Noel and Burks Salary. They are not even guaranteed past next season. We still not signing any body this offseason of note.


Dont fall for **** like this. Its not a real trade proposal. Again who the hell is giving up "picks" for that trio of players.

I mostly agree but they probably want to clear cap space to make a run at Brunson. Who in all likelihood won’t come here anyway

Maybe but since Jalen Brunson is Leon's godson there if they ever had inside info it would through him.

They obviously love Jalen..its been reported all over.

[Spree2Houston]

Burks are Noel are essentially expiring next year. We don’t need to attach Cam to move them. A few seconds should be able to do the trick. Now if you’re trying to move Fournier, then yeah you will need an asset to move him.

the word is nobody really wants them

Then let’s wait in the off-season to trade them. Any team trading for them would basically be getting one year deals. Only a few teams will have cap space. A playoff team would be interested in the off-season

[G_K_F]

yeah I don't think the Knicks proposed deal is awful.

It does admit the FO are idiots and are not aligned selling off moves in less then a year for zero value.

But I think people are overrating Cam Reddish value around the league. We got him for a heavily protected 1st and Kevin Knox...If we can bring back a similar protected 1st back in this trade. Its essentially Burks/Noel for expiring and a 2nd round picks...I would sign up for that.

Also makes us a little more tanky and open up minutes for Grimes even when Rose comes back.

Any way you slice it - the Knicks are still a circus organization and a joke.

[Fury]

I don't understand the rush to get rid of Burks' and Noel's contracts. We should keep Cam Reddish. Who are we signing this offseason? They probably save us from ourselves.

[mpharris36]

i think part of it too is dumping the burks/noel salaries makes re-signing mitch easier

That's the only angle that makes sense, otherwise I don't understand the urgency to get out of Burks and Noel a year early.

It also clears some hurdles to pursuing Brunson

they can also cut taj before free agency and open up some more money. mitch's cap hold is nothing so that helps get both done if they want.

They probably can move Kemba an his 8 MM in the offseason as well since he will be an expiring for maybe a 2nd round pick or 2 if they really need the extra money to secure Brunson/Mitch.

[TerrenceClarke]

Its amazing how any Blue Check can get people to talk about **** that is not even going to happen. The lakers are trading for Burks and Cam. And we trading for a 35 yr old PG who is avg less than 2 dimes a game?

[G_K_F]

Yeah I feel some folks are missing that aspect of the proposed deal for us. Shedding the salaries of Burks and Noel with the only real asset being used to do so being Cam would be amazing honestly. The Knicks need to scrap the work they did in the off season in the worst way. I’d be more upset about it if Cam was actually being used and looked good here but that’s not the case. So might as well

The Knicks have pulled a fast one on you again, man.

Explain

The Knicks keep doing the same thing over and over - signing marginal players to garbage contracts and then trading assets to get rid of them. It’s not smart at all. It’s actually the worst and most pathetic way to do business as an NBA team. That trade would be awful for that reason.

And we don’t need to ‘dump salary’ for Noel and Burks. They’re going to be expiring contracts next year. It’s stupid and unnecessary. Only guys who need to be dumped are Randle and Fournier.

[god shammgod]

Burks are Noel are essentially expiring next year. We don’t need to attach Cam to move them. A few seconds should be able to do the trick. Now if you’re trying to move Fournier, then yeah you will need an asset to move him.

the word is nobody really wants them

Then let’s wait in the off-season to trade them. Any team trading for them would basically be getting one year deals. Only a few teams will have cap space. A playoff team would be interested in the off-season

i think it's a good deal. traded a 1st for cam. used cam to get a 1st and dump 2 deals. that's a win. who knows what you can get in the summer or not. you gotta do this when you can.