[Woj] Pistons (Bagley)/Bucks (Ibaka)/Kings (DDV+)/Clippers (Hood+)

[buckboy]

They won the other trade too

You're the third person in this thread to say this. I don't get it. The Kings got clowned in the Haliburton deal.

No they didn't

People constantly massively underrate Pacers players SMH

Sabonis is clearly the better player right now. In terms of trade value, he is at the very least equal to Haliburton. Though I personally feel he is worth more

But even if we agree that the trade value for Sabonis and Haliburton are about equal, the Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson part clearly has the Pacers losing

To me, the Pacers were owed at the very least one future FRP. Possibly two if you ask me. At the very least they needed one to mend the gap between Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson

The fact that no picks exchanged hand means King's won the trade in terms of value, is the way I see it

Disagree with pretty much all of this but there's not a lot to gain in arguing about it. We'll see how it works out.

All I will say is that I'm confident Haliburton will be a very good player for the Pacers and the Kings won't win anything because they got Sabonis (who I like, just not nearly as much as the younger, cheaper Halliburton).

[Topofthekey]

Disagree with pretty much all of this but there's not a lot to gain in arguing about it. We'll see how it works out.

All I will say is that I'm confident Haliburton will be a very good player for the Pacers and the Kings won't win anything because they got Sabonis (who I like, just not nearly as much as the younger, cheaper Halliburton).

Oh, I definitely agree that Haliburton will be a very nice player for Pacers

To me, both teams "won" the trade

Kings got a great two time All Star to pair with Fox while getting rid of a player they've been wanting to get rid of

Pacers blew up a roster that needed blowing up while picking up a very nice young player to be part of their rebuild

It's honestly a good trade for both teams, to me

I just disagree when people say Kings got fleeced. They actually looked pretty good in Sabonis' first game, against Timberwolves

Now we wait and see how Pacers look with Haliburton

[Ruzious]

Disagree with pretty much all of this but there's not a lot to gain in arguing about it. We'll see how it works out.

All I will say is that I'm confident Haliburton will be a very good player for the Pacers and the Kings won't win anything because they got Sabonis (who I like, just not nearly as much as the younger, cheaper Halliburton).

Oh, I definitely agree that Haliburton will be a very nice players for Pacers

To me, both teams "won" the trade

Kings got a great two time All Star to pair with Fox while getting rid of a player they've been wanting to get rid of

Pacers blew up a roster that needed blowing up while picking up a very nice young player to be part of their rebuild

It's honestly a good trade for both teams, to me

I just disagree when people say Kings got fleeced. They actually looked pretty good in Sabonis' first game, against Timberwolves

Now we wait and see how Pacers look with Haliburton

I've been as big a supporter of Hali as anyone before the trade, but even with Hali and the rest, Sac's backcourt wasn't working well. Now, they finally have a direction in the backcourt - knowing it's Fox and Mitchell as the 2 keys. They were 20-35, so people need to stop pretending they were headed the right way. Let's at least see how the season ends for them before assuming they got fleeced.

[buckboy]

Disagree with pretty much all of this but there's not a lot to gain in arguing about it. We'll see how it works out.

All I will say is that I'm confident Haliburton will be a very good player for the Pacers and the Kings won't win anything because they got Sabonis (who I like, just not nearly as much as the younger, cheaper Halliburton).

Oh, I definitely agree that Haliburton will be a very nice players for Pacers

To me, both teams "won" the trade

Kings got a great two time All Star to pair with Fox while getting rid of a player they've been wanting to get rid of

Pacers blew up a roster that needed blowing up while picking up a very nice young player to be part of their rebuild

It's honestly a good trade for both teams, to me

I just disagree when people say Kings got fleeced. They actually looked pretty good in Sabonis' first game, against Timberwolves

Now we wait and see how Pacers look with Haliburton

I've been as big a supporter of Hali as anyone before the trade, but even with Hali and the rest, Sac's backcourt wasn't working well. Now, they finally have a direction in the backcourt - knowing it's Fox and Mitchell as the 2 keys. They were 20-35, so people need to stop pretending they were headed the right way. Let's at least see how the season ends for them before assuming they got fleeced.

Nah. This deal makes no sense for Sacramento. They are going absolutely nowhere after this deal. You don't trade young pieces for win-now stuff when you still stink after the trade.

You're a Bucks fan, you should know that better than anyone. We did it for a decade and never won a playoff series. Incredibly short-sighted by the Kings

[Ruzious]

Oh, I definitely agree that Haliburton will be a very nice players for Pacers

To me, both teams "won" the trade

Kings got a great two time All Star to pair with Fox while getting rid of a player they've been wanting to get rid of

Pacers blew up a roster that needed blowing up while picking up a very nice young player to be part of their rebuild

It's honestly a good trade for both teams, to me

I just disagree when people say Kings got fleeced. They actually looked pretty good in Sabonis' first game, against Timberwolves

Now we wait and see how Pacers look with Haliburton

I've been as big a supporter of Hali as anyone before the trade, but even with Hali and the rest, Sac's backcourt wasn't working well. Now, they finally have a direction in the backcourt - knowing it's Fox and Mitchell as the 2 keys. They were 20-35, so people need to stop pretending they were headed the right way. Let's at least see how the season ends for them before assuming they got fleeced.

Nah. This deal makes no sense for Sacramento. They are going absolutely nowhere after this deal. You don't trade young pieces for win-now stuff when you still stink after the trade.

You're a Bucks fan, you should know that better than anyone. We did it for a decade and never won a playoff series. Incredibly short-sighted by the Kings

Huh? Sabonis is 25; not to mention he's on a great contract for a 2-time all-star.

Sacramento wasn't going anywhere - with Hali! Again... 20-35, and with all those guards, their backcourt sucked!!! Not to mention, dumping Hield's contract was a plus.

I'm not saying it was a great move by Sacramento, but it certainly wasn't a fleecing, and pretending Sacramento was going anywhere before that trade is silly. That's not just short-sighted; that's blind.

And Giannis is the one reason Milwaukee is where it is.

[buckboy]

Of course they weren't. I never said they were. Point is you dont trade a 21 year old when you suck before and after. Sabonis is making real money now and is 2 years away from getting another raise. Dreadful.

[LightTheBeam]

You're the third person in this thread to say this. I don't get it. The Kings got clowned in the Haliburton deal.

No they didn't

People constantly massively underrate Pacers players SMH

Sabonis is clearly the better player right now. In terms of trade value, he is at the very least equal to Haliburton. Though I personally feel he is worth more

But even if we agree that the trade value for Sabonis and Haliburton are about equal, the Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson part clearly has the Pacers losing

To me, the Pacers were owed at the very least one future FRP. Possibly two if you ask me. At the very least they needed one to mend the gap between Holiday + Lamb for Hield + Thompson

The fact that no picks exchanged hand means King's won the trade in terms of value, is the way I see it

Disagree with pretty much all of this but there's not a lot to gain in arguing about it. We'll see how it works out.

All I will say is that I'm confident Haliburton will be a very good player for the Pacers and the Kings won't win anything because they got Sabonis (who I like, just not nearly as much as the younger, cheaper Halliburton).

You disagree that the Hield/Thompson for Holiday/Lamb portion isn't in the Kings favor?

That's a weird thing to disagree with. Nobody wanted Hield, he was a negative asset and negative player (for the Kings, we will see how he does in Indiana). Holiday is a nice rotation level wing on a 10x better contract.

Id say the Kings definitely would have had to pony up a 1st to make that portion of the deal happen.

What happens with Haliburtons development will tell a lot. But as of today, the kings crushed the value.

[jeffjtk1234]

Of course they weren't. I never said they were. Point is you dont trade a 21 year old when you suck before and after. Sabonis is making real money now and is 2 years away from getting another raise. Dreadful.

19 mil is real money? He makes less than hield. Come on man.


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[FNQ]

I love this for the Kings and Pistons.
Player tracking has hated Ibaka the past 2 seasons so I dont think the Bucks did well here
Clippers I think did a bit on the negative side, because if they could have gotten DDV for Ibaka.. why didnt they?

[Snakebites]

Now that I know this was our only deal I feel pretty "meh" about our deadline.

I guess trading Grant just wasn't going to happen. It doesn't even really seem like much talk happened leading up to the deadline. Ah well.

We'll see if Bagley has anything.

[LightTheBeam]

I love this for the Kings and Pistons.
Player tracking has hated Ibaka the past 2 seasons so I dont think the Bucks did well here
Clippers I think did a bit on the negative side, because if they could have gotten DDV for Ibaka.. why didnt they?

Where would the Clippers find minutes for DDV?

It would have just led to him walking in the off-season. They essentially just gave him to the Kings for free and saved that tax hit.

[FNQ]

I love this for the Kings and Pistons.
Player tracking has hated Ibaka the past 2 seasons so I dont think the Bucks did well here
Clippers I think did a bit on the negative side, because if they could have gotten DDV for Ibaka.. why didnt they?

Where would the Clippers find minutes for DDV?

It would have just led to him walking in the off-season. They essentially just gave him to the Kings for free and saved that tax hit.

Ahead of Coffey and Mann would have been fine, or just have a 4-way battle between those 3 and BJ Boston for minutes, keep the winners.

I would have kept the talent. Clippers dont seem to care much about tax hits, and FA is looking extremely unique, in that there are not many teams with capspace to play with. What kind of contract does DDV get if he's allowed to hit free agency.. full MLE?

That said, DDV has been brutal this year and maybe this deal reflects that. I'm just saying that if I was LAC, I'd rather have him than Hood

[ejftw]

I love this for the Kings and Pistons.
Player tracking has hated Ibaka the past 2 seasons so I dont think the Bucks did well here
Clippers I think did a bit on the negative side, because if they could have gotten DDV for Ibaka.. why didnt they?

Where would the Clippers find minutes for DDV?

It would have just led to him walking in the off-season. They essentially just gave him to the Kings for free and saved that tax hit.

Ragu only makes about $800k more than Semi and Hood combined, only about a $3.5M tax savings, which could have been the reason why they chose for the duo instead of Donte, but the birds and RFA of DDV could have been a lot more fruitful.

In either case, I'm waiting for the eventual buying our of Hood, Lakers signing him and ESPN hyping him to being the missing pieces

[LightTheBeam]

I love this for the Kings and Pistons.
Player tracking has hated Ibaka the past 2 seasons so I dont think the Bucks did well here
Clippers I think did a bit on the negative side, because if they could have gotten DDV for Ibaka.. why didnt they?

Where would the Clippers find minutes for DDV?

It would have just led to him walking in the off-season. They essentially just gave him to the Kings for free and saved that tax hit.

Ragu only makes about $800k more than Semi and Hood combined, only about a $3.5M tax savings, which could have been the reason why they chose for the duo instead of Donte, but the birds and RFA of DDV could have been a lot more fruitful.

In either case, I'm waiting for the eventual buying our of Hood, Lakers signing him and ESPN hyping him to being the missing pieces

But then you have to find someone to take Semi/Hood? I don't think any of those guys are taking them for free IMO.

[ejftw]

Where would the Clippers find minutes for DDV?

It would have just led to him walking in the off-season. They essentially just gave him to the Kings for free and saved that tax hit.

Ragu only makes about $800k more than Semi and Hood combined, only about a $3.5M tax savings, which could have been the reason why they chose for the duo instead of Donte, but the birds and RFA of DDV could have been a lot more fruitful.

In either case, I'm waiting for the eventual buying our of Hood, Lakers signing him and ESPN hyping him to being the missing pieces

But then you have to find someone to take Semi/Hood? I don't think any of those guys are taking them for free IMO.

A second or the cash required to cover the pro rated contract and a little extra for Semi could have been an easy find.

I know Ballz is wealthy, but do believe it was the extra $3M in savings.

Not mad about it, the $9.7M TPE and $30M in tax savings is sweet enough, esp if we can clean up in the buy out market with Dragic or Schroeder and Kanter or Brown to be the emergency big (though, it would knock down the tax savings by about $8M for both fit I'm not mistaken)

[LightTheBeam]

Ragu only makes about $800k more than Semi and Hood combined, only about a $3.5M tax savings, which could have been the reason why they chose for the duo instead of Donte, but the birds and RFA of DDV could have been a lot more fruitful.

In either case, I'm waiting for the eventual buying our of Hood, Lakers signing him and ESPN hyping him to being the missing pieces

But then you have to find someone to take Semi/Hood? I don't think any of those guys are taking them for free IMO.

A second or the cash required to cover the pro rated contract and a little extra for Semi could have been an easy find.

I know Ballz is wealthy, but do believe it was the extra $3M in savings.

Not mad about it, the $9.7M TPE and $30M in tax savings is sweet enough, esp if we can clean up in the buy out market with Dragic or Schroeder and Kanter or Brown to be the emergency big (though, it would knock down the tax savings by about $8M for both fit I'm not mistaken)

It could have been done, but exactly. Would have required picks + cash.

Idk. When I look at the roster -

Powell, George, Leonard, Kennard, Mann, Boston, Coffey - all guys who play 2/3 spots.

Then you have Batum, Morris, Covington so not like a ton of minutes to move those guys to the 4 spot either.

I think as fans its sure take the player and have a look. As the owner/GM you say, this guy isn't in our plans, we can save extra money + picks and just move him along.

I agree from a fan perspective just keep DDV. But I'm trying to think on the bigger picture. Maybe Bucks also wanted him to go somewhere he could have opportunity?

[Couch Potato]

Grant not going to the Kings is my immediate takeaway. And I'm happy for the Kings they didn't overpay for him. The Sabonis move was great. Moving Bagley is good. Keep stacking up small wins, Sacramento.

And we got DDV/lyles for marvin fricken bagley???

This last few days has been amazing!

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DDV is a soon to be RFA and injuryprone since college.

[ejftw]

But then you have to find someone to take Semi/Hood? I don't think any of those guys are taking them for free IMO.

A second or the cash required to cover the pro rated contract and a little extra for Semi could have been an easy find.

I know Ballz is wealthy, but do believe it was the extra $3M in savings.

Not mad about it, the $9.7M TPE and $30M in tax savings is sweet enough, esp if we can clean up in the buy out market with Dragic or Schroeder and Kanter or Brown to be the emergency big (though, it would knock down the tax savings by about $8M for both fit I'm not mistaken)

It could have been done, but exactly. Would have required picks + cash.

Idk. When I look at the roster -

Powell, George, Leonard, Kennard, Mann, Boston, Coffey - all guys who play 2/3 spots.

Then you have Batum, Morris, Covington so not like a ton of minutes to move those guys to the 4 spot either.

I think as fans its sure take the player and have a look. As the owner/GM you say, this guy isn't in our plans, we can save extra money + picks and just move him along.

I agree from a fan perspective just keep DDV. But I'm trying to think on the bigger picture. Maybe Bucks also wanted him to go somewhere he could have opportunity?

Which is why I'm not mad about it, though, I think it could be a potential blown opportunity if DDV does have a decent FA market as they could have S&T'd him, even for a TPE.

In either regard, I love what the Clippers did this deadline, turned Bledsoe/Ibaka/Winslow/Keon into Norm/RoCo/$9.7M TPE and $10M in tax savings (after the extra tax amount in the first deal). If they can round out with Dragic and Kanter in the buy out market, and get PG back, I wouldn't want to face them in the first round.

I absolutely love what the Kings did too, I think Hali is going to be good, but not great while I think a Sabonis/Fox tandem is going to be real, really good

[tmorgan]

Has Bagley been humbled enough to get it together? Is Cade enough of a leader and floor general to help him?

We’ll see. But the price was low enough to be worthy of trying.

[LightTheBeam]

Has Bagley been humbled enough to get it together? Is Cade enough of a leader and floor general to help him?

We’ll see. But the price was low enough to be worthy of trying.

I think this is it. Why not?

My personal thought is he will not be happy.

His dad has been his biggest issue (aside from availability), he thinks Marvin is a full blown superstar. But with Grant, Bey, Cade soaking up the majority of the shots, Marvin is not going to be happy.

Hope I'm wrong and he accepts a role as an easy dump off for Cade. But I think he and his dad think this is his chance to reclaim stardom.