WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's

[Prokorov]

From a philly perspective they got one of the premiere offensive initiators of all time for a guy who (limitations aside) was never going to play for them again, a couple first Rd picks that may or may not be worth much and Seth Curry.

Seth will help as long as he's hitting shots. Got to keep hitting shots because he doesn't bring much else.

Drummond is a decent get but would've been better paired with Harden.

But Simmons is obviously what is going to make this trade a hit or miss.
Hopefully he's been working on his game because of he still can't shoot threes it simply limits the offense. Because that means he is going to struggle playing with bigs that aren't great beyond the arc or any other player that can't hit threes.

Regarding Harden, it sucks for Next fans. He didn't really owe KD or especially Kyrie anything though. KD had opportunities to join him in Houston to help him win a ring and he didn't. Instead he went to a rival and played a part in keeping him from getting rings. Harden probably hasn't totally forgotten about that.

Anyways...only time will tell how it all works out.

I think if the nets surround Simmons with shooters it could be great.

The Narritve will be written....

Harden goes back to MVP former because he was dogging it, Philly wins a title, Harden is good for at least 2-3 more years while the nets tank and Simmons implodes in NY

or

Harden has lost the step it appears he may have, isnt enough to get philly over the hump, doesnt mesh with embiid and looks like westbrook as a shell of a former MVP making 50+ million for the next 5 years while Simmons is rejuvinated, balances the nets with elite defense, and competes for the next 2-3 years while becoming a top 12 player

or, likely, something in between

[Hello Brooklyn]

Now we have some future. Try to imagine these months if the trade hasn’t been made. And we sucked this season much before all the Kyrie stuff and the injuries. Now we can look ahead and try to build something. Good luck with the 37 yr old Harden max extension.

People may hate this trade now...

in 1.5 years, my guess is we all love it and are breathing a sigh of relief (i feel that way now). A 35 year old Harden making 55 million is... not going to look good,

Harden is also still an FA at years end. he cant be extended now. would be low-key hillarious if he and joel butted heads and harden bounced.

Taking up his option.
So two years a sixer at least ✓

If the Sixers actually convince Harden to pick up his option. And then sign him to a smaller deal after that.

They will have played this perfectly.

Daryl Morey was the best thing that happened to you guys.

[Hello Brooklyn]

From a philly perspective they got one of the premiere offensive initiators of all time for a guy who (limitations aside) was never going to play for them again, a couple first Rd picks that may or may not be worth much and Seth Curry.

Seth will help as long as he's hitting shots. Got to keep hitting shots because he doesn't bring much else.

Drummond is a decent get but would've been better paired with Harden.

But Simmons is obviously what is going to make this trade a hit or miss.
Hopefully he's been working on his game because of he still can't shoot threes it simply limits the offense. Because that means he is going to struggle playing with bigs that aren't great beyond the arc or any other player that can't hit threes.

Regarding Harden, it sucks for Next fans. He didn't really owe KD or especially Kyrie anything though. KD had opportunities to join him in Houston to help him win a ring and he didn't. Instead he went to a rival and played a part in keeping him from getting rings. Harden probably hasn't totally forgotten about that.

Anyways...only time will tell how it all works out.

I think if the nets surround Simmons with shooters it could be great.

The Narritve will be written....

Harden goes back to MVP former because he was dogging it, Philly wins a title, Harden is good for at least 2-3 more years while the nets tank and Simmons implodes in NY

or

Harden has lost the step it appears he may have, isnt enough to get philly over the hump, doesnt mesh with embiid and looks like westbrook as a shell of a former MVP making 50+ million for the next 5 years while Simmons is rejuvinated, balances the nets with elite defense, and competes for the next 2-3 years while becoming a top 12 player

or, likely, something in between

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

[MrDollarBills]

We added athleticism, rebounding, a playmaker, and an elite shooter to the roster + restocked the war chest with two first rounders.

This is a fantastic day for the Nets. Short term, we are in for more pain because we need to limp to all star break. After that, KD should be return, Ben should be closer to getting ready to play. Hopefully we can get some good news on Harris and Kyrie as well over the next few weeks.

I think in the long run, we got better in key areas.

[Prokorov]

Marks did nothing else. What a disaster.

What is this team now for the time being?

Curry, Mills, Edwards, James Johnson, Aldridge?

We will not win a single game!

And Nash just remains blameless.

Alot of movement and buyouts to happen...

[Prokorov]

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Dinwiddie/Bertans wont play and KP likely wont be in DC tonight.. if anything helps our chances tonight

[MrDollarBills]

From a philly perspective they got one of the premiere offensive initiators of all time for a guy who (limitations aside) was never going to play for them again, a couple first Rd picks that may or may not be worth much and Seth Curry.

Seth will help as long as he's hitting shots. Got to keep hitting shots because he doesn't bring much else.

Drummond is a decent get but would've been better paired with Harden.

But Simmons is obviously what is going to make this trade a hit or miss.
Hopefully he's been working on his game because of he still can't shoot threes it simply limits the offense. Because that means he is going to struggle playing with bigs that aren't great beyond the arc or any other player that can't hit threes.

Regarding Harden, it sucks for Next fans. He didn't really owe KD or especially Kyrie anything though. KD had opportunities to join him in Houston to help him win a ring and he didn't. Instead he went to a rival and played a part in keeping him from getting rings. Harden probably hasn't totally forgotten about that.

Anyways...only time will tell how it all works out.

I think if the nets surround Simmons with shooters it could be great.

The Narritve will be written....

Harden goes back to MVP former because he was dogging it, Philly wins a title, Harden is good for at least 2-3 more years while the nets tank and Simmons implodes in NY

or

Harden has lost the step it appears he may have, isnt enough to get philly over the hump, doesnt mesh with embiid and looks like westbrook as a shell of a former MVP making 50+ million for the next 5 years while Simmons is rejuvinated, balances the nets with elite defense, and competes for the next 2-3 years while becoming a top 12 player

or, likely, something in between

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

dude you were pissed off all season about Harden. We used him to improve the roster and added some much needed draft capital. This is addition by subtraction especially if we can get Kyrie back full time in mid March.

[Marvin Martian]

Disappointed that Irving wasn't traded too. You cannot pin your championship hopes on politics. If the vaccine mandate is not lifted which is likely, then the Nets are not contending. And this time, there is no Harden to blame

[Prokorov]

People may hate this trade now...

in 1.5 years, my guess is we all love it and are breathing a sigh of relief (i feel that way now). A 35 year old Harden making 55 million is... not going to look good,

Harden is also still an FA at years end. he cant be extended now. would be low-key hillarious if he and joel butted heads and harden bounced.

Taking up his option.
So two years a sixer at least ✓

If the Sixers actually convince Harden to pick up his option. And then sign him to a smaller deal after that.

They will have played this perfectly.

Daryl Morey was the best thing that happened to you guys.

picking up his options is the path to more money not less. he can make more with the option + extend after vs. opt out and extend

[MrDollarBills]

Marks did nothing else. What a disaster.

What is this team now for the time being?

Curry, Mills, Edwards, James Johnson, Aldridge?

We will not win a single game!

And Nash just remains blameless.

Alot of movement and buyouts to happen...

yep. now we patiently wait. the heavy lifting was getting a decent return for Harden and i think Marks scored here.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The Narritve will be written....

Harden goes back to MVP former because he was dogging it, Philly wins a title, Harden is good for at least 2-3 more years while the nets tank and Simmons implodes in NY

or

Harden has lost the step it appears he may have, isnt enough to get philly over the hump, doesnt mesh with embiid and looks like westbrook as a shell of a former MVP making 50+ million for the next 5 years while Simmons is rejuvinated, balances the nets with elite defense, and competes for the next 2-3 years while becoming a top 12 player

or, likely, something in between

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

dude you were pissed off all season about Harden. We used him to improve the roster and added some much needed draft capital. This is addition by subtraction especially if we can get Kyrie back full time in mid March.

MDB I didn't like Harden because he was supposed to be playing like an MVP and was barely an All Star! I wanted him to improve.

That doesnt mean I want Ben Simmons!!!!

Simmons can't even make his damn FTs. Hes a nightmare in the playoffs. Why should I want him?

I would rather go down swinging with Harden. At least he gives us something.

Why do I care about draft picks? I want to win the title NOW. These picks mean nothing.

[MVP1992]

Taking up his option.
So two years a sixer at least ✓

If the Sixers actually convince Harden to pick up his option. And then sign him to a smaller deal after that.

They will have played this perfectly.

Daryl Morey was the best thing that happened to you guys.

picking up his options is the path to more money not less. he can make more with the option + extend after vs. opt out and extend

Harden did his sums

It's the saving grace for the Sixers side of the deal in my opinion, minimum 1.5 years, instead of risking losing him for nothing in the offseason.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

dude you were pissed off all season about Harden. We used him to improve the roster and added some much needed draft capital. This is addition by subtraction especially if we can get Kyrie back full time in mid March.

MDB I didn't like Harden because he was supposed to be playing like an MVP and was barely an All Star! I wanted him to improve.

That doesnt mean I want Ben Simmons!!!!

Simmons can't even make his damn FTs. Hes a nightmare in the playoffs. Why should I want him?

I would rather go down swinging with Harden. At least he gives us something.

Why do I care about draft picks? I want to win the title NOW. These picks mean nothing.

Simmons is still an all star level talent and elite athlete and defender. I'm going to give him a chance, especially if we have Durant coming back and hopefully getting Kyrie full time/possibly Joe back if he doesn't need surgery.

Draft picks can be used to help improve the roster.

I understand that you're upset but i have a feeling long term we will be better off. Harden was miserable and also, when he played he made the offense stagnant.

[NyCeEvO]

This is a fantastic trade.

Simmons value at an all time low. I truly don’t think you’re appreciating his defensive impact and versatility. He’s also only 25.

Curry the best sniper in the game.

Nets stacked.


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I love Simmons' defensive talent. I've been begging for wing defenders for years and still can't get over the fact that Marks was fine having KD be the defensive anchor of the team (in addition to the first option on offense) despite just returning from a torn achilles. Getting a DPOY player is no joke. (I do wish that Simmons would learn how to shoot though. It would raise his game to a whole new level and would make us an even better team.)

The addition of Curry is great as we now return to having 2 elite off-ball shooters in Mills and Curry. If Joe can return before the end of the season, having 3 great snipers is extremely valuable.

All of this is fantastic, but I'm a shrewd negotiator. The fact that PHI has been openly courting him behind the scenes suggests that despite his form this season, management still believes he a MVP caliber talent. I think MVP caliber talents should still warrant more, especially considering that Simmons' value is diminished for the Sixers since he refuses to play for them. I'm ok with not getting Maxey, but I'm still of the belief that the Nets should've pushed for Thybulle because Harden is THAT valuable.

[Paradise]

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

dude you were pissed off all season about Harden. We used him to improve the roster and added some much needed draft capital. This is addition by subtraction especially if we can get Kyrie back full time in mid March.

MDB I didn't like Harden because he was supposed to be playing like an MVP and was barely an All Star! I wanted him to improve.

That doesnt mean I want Ben Simmons!!!!

Simmons can't even make his damn FTs. Hes a nightmare in the playoffs. Why should I want him?

I would rather go down swinging with Harden. At least he gives us something.

Why do I care about draft picks? I want to win the title NOW. These picks mean nothing.

You do realize he’s a DPOY contender and only 24? He’s got room to improve and he’s playing next to KD, Kyrie, Curry, Mills, Harris, Edwards, Thomas.

That is the most talent he’s ever played with and his passing, elite defense should really improve his game.

He could simply be used as Draymond Green 2.0

[Prokorov]

One thing not mentioned...

we REALLY lacked explosive athletes. we added on in simmons, and a big one. Bembry is athletic but short. same with Kyrie. Ksessler was our closest.

[gigantes]

you guys gonna miss Harden?

Last years harden? yes. the guy who could will an undermanned team to regular season wins and make us unbeatable in the playoffs? yes.

This verison of harden? slowed by a hamstring, lost a half step, targeted by refs? a little bit but not all that much given we have simmons/curry to look forward to.

Next year/future harden... no, i wont miss him at all. Harden @ 55M per will not age well

Prokorov , it’s amazing how fast you changed your tune

3 days ago , nahhh all is great in Nets land , harden is here for long haul and our best chance at championship

Today Harden ? Who’s Harden ? I wont miss him at all

Hah, I was going to say the same earlier, but bit my tongue at the time.

Not so long ago he was eagerly wanting to re-sign Harden for a huge contract, even as he admitted it would probably age poorly. You'd never know it was the same person going by this thread's remarks.

I've rarely seen someone so dogmatically all-in on whatever their passing opinion is. Too bad, because he does make good observations on a regular basis.

EDIT: Almost forgot Proky insisting over and over again that Harden was having an 'all-NBA' season. What a laugh. He's been having arguably his worst season ever as a star, and his advanced stats are pretty mediocre at best.

[Jay555]

I don't like the trade but I think MVP Harden is done.

Harden does not have the physical abilities he did even last year. Unless he goes full CP3 and adopts a plant based diet I don't see this changing.

I don't think he will be as bad as he was for us.

But I do think hes is not even close to who he was.

dude you were pissed off all season about Harden. We used him to improve the roster and added some much needed draft capital. This is addition by subtraction especially if we can get Kyrie back full time in mid March.

MDB I didn't like Harden because he was supposed to be playing like an MVP and was barely an All Star! I wanted him to improve.

That doesnt mean I want Ben Simmons!!!!

Simmons can't even make his damn FTs. Hes a nightmare in the playoffs. Why should I want him?

I would rather go down swinging with Harden. At least he gives us something.

Why do I care about draft picks? I want to win the title NOW. These picks mean nothing.

Simmons is at least something. The locker room is so toxic to the point this trade has to get done. It's good for both parties. Just gotta move on.

[MrDollarBills]

One thing not mentioned...

we REALLY lacked explosive athletes. we added on in simmons, and a big one. Bembry is athletic but short. same with Kyrie. Ksessler was our closest.

thats what I was saying. Simmons is the best athlete we've acquired since Vince Carter.

I am sure that this isn't going to be perfect but I can see a lot of value being unlocked by having a 6'9 athletic wing pushing the ball off of rebounds with shooters trailing.

[therealbig3]

I think Harden was more of a disaster than Deron Williams. Deron at least gave us like what, 4 seasons? Never lived up to the hype outside of some random moments, but he was at least...something. Feel like we got half a season out of Harden, which was ultimately useless anyway since he got hurt for the playoffs. Then we got this shell of Harden who was honestly hurting us more than helping us this season. Not to mention everything we gave up for him.

Good riddance man, don't think a "star" player ever had as terrible of a run here ever.