The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[Skin]

How about Dejonte Murray? He barely shot a three-pointer his first few years so his FG percentage was higher, but he wasn't a good shooter.

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I like this comp a lot actually. Goes to show his high value without needing to look down upon him since he's not an All-Star.

[basketballRob]

How about Dejonte Murray? He barely shot a three-pointer his first few years so his FG percentage was higher, but he wasn't a good shooter.

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I like this comp a lot actually. Goes to show his high value without needing to look down upon him since he's not an All-Star.

He just got named to All-Star team.

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[OrlChamps2030]

I’m not one to get too attached to players on Orlando’s roster, but some of you are really underestimating Suggs and where he will be in a few years.

Do you think there are player comparisons for his upside? Doesn't have to be perfect, obviously there are no 2 exact matches. Just trying to get a feel for what is in the realm of his possibility. I don't think he has All-Star upside, but do you?

Kyle Lowry?

Suggs might end up being an off ball guard though. Hard to tell at this point.

[Skin]

How about Dejonte Murray? He barely shot a three-pointer his first few years so his FG percentage was higher, but he wasn't a good shooter.

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I like this comp a lot actually. Goes to show his high value without needing to look down upon him since he's not an All-Star.

He just got named to All-Star team.

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LOL imagine that. A guard who can't hit a 3 makes the All-Star team. Maybe Fultz has a chance too!

[VFX]

I’m not one to get too attached to players on Orlando’s roster, but some of you are really underestimating Suggs and where he will be in a few years.

Do you think there are player comparisons for his upside? Doesn't have to be perfect, obviously there are no 2 exact matches. Just trying to get a feel for what is in the realm of his possibility. I don't think he has All-Star upside, but do you?

I don't think there are many great comparisons at the moment because he will most likely be a more complete player, like all rookies, a few years from now.

If I'm comparing rookie seasons of guys that are/were all stars (again, not their prime) I'm sticking with Chauncey Billups as an ideal comp. The guy was in the league 7-8 years before becoming a 5x all-star. Again, this is if I HAD to make a comparison for his outcome on rookie season data.

This is why I harp on what the team blueprint is going to be. I believe Suggs, like Chauncey, is the kind of player that makes a good team great. However, Orlando isn't a good team and Suggs is still a rookie.

[nicnac215]

Here is the thing about Suggs. He is super raw. One of the rawest taken in the lotto. We need to give hime 4 years to develop. I can see him peaking late like Jrue. So either they should trade him now while he has value or stick to him for the long haul and go for that 2030 title run

[ibraheim718]

Here is the thing about Suggs. He is super raw. One of the rawest taken in the lotto. We need to give hime 4 years to develop. I can see him peaking late like Jrue. So either they should trade him now while he has value or stick to him for the long haul and go for that 2030 title run

Yes trade him to the Knicks.

[MasterGMer]

Did you guys see Suggs play against Celtics? He had 10 FT attempts. And he was aggressive getting to the hoop. He was pretty good at finishing too. IMO he is the only one who can do it on the Magic Roster. Cole is too small and Harris plus Ross are shooters.

Suggs' biggest problem is his finishing plus shooting. But that can grow. I just hope he keeps attacking and getting to the hoop.

I trust my eye test rather than stats. Suggs has a bright future

[pepe1991]

Guy, you need some professional help, visit doctor or something.
I posted what people told you month and half ago, and your "epic comback" was to go back and copy past my posts from...5 year ago?
Funniest part about posts you mentioned is that i later went on record and said:
Hezonja sucks and gave up on him after year two
Eat portion of crows about Trae Young just about 50000 times and every time i mock my own posts, i mention how wrong i was about him. Also, every time i count best nba players, especially on East, i mention him.
I could not stand Vuc game until around 2017 &2018 as he turned long 2s into 3 point shots that transformed his game and made him two times allstar. Vuc was NOT same player around 2015 and in 2018.

This still doesn't change fact you have to be borderline lunatic to spent your nights rading 15 000 of my posts to "get back at me" and that led you to rabbit hole of reading things that somebody posted FIVE YEARS AGO.
Only raeson why i even copy pasted what you said is because it was relevant to talking point of today. Jalen Suggs. Knicks fans view you as closet Magic fan who was famming over 13 points ( 5-12 FG) , 4 assists, 3 rebounds game so much that other posters figured you are annoying as hell and started going at you.
You have history with that player and being hardcore stan for him. What i thought about Lebron as he was entering nba or Hezonja or Allan Iverson is irrelevant to this tread.

Payton goes under screens against every single PG in a league,and 80% of them use it for open shots.

Even Oladipo and Gordon have questionable defensive possessions when they force things .

Harris trade happend to open playing time for Hezonja, not because Ilyasova and Jennings are actual future, they are 2 players in last year of their deals, and now out of nowhere LOladipo who is 6,'3 is getting playing time at SF? DaFaq ???
Watson who missed whole year is getting more min than HEzonja?

28 games left this season is waste for Orlando since you won't make playoffs and you are nowhere near bad enough for good/great pick. And yet you refuse to play rookie that you sucked whole last year for?
I'll just qoute WF :"I Feel Like I'm Taking Crazy Pills"

Payton year after that , in deep analytical defensive overview was viewed as league's worst pick&roll defender ( so... guess who was right ? )
Jennings and Ilyasova for Harris was the worst trade for Orlando in last 20 years.
Oladipo playing with Meeks & Payton on perimeter was mockery. Oladipo described time with Orlando as messy and players fighting each other instad opponents on the floor.
Hezonja sucked. Fact. Hezonja being buried in rotation over one year rental Jeff Green, 1 year rental of Meeks, one year rental of Ilyasova made no sense whatsoever. It's like playing Mulder and Garry Harris over Suggs whole year.

Just for sake of argument i wanted Suggs at draft night, and was thrilled to get him. I'm hopefull he can improve his ballhandling & shooting. But today, his offense is simply his weak point. Being fan should not make you blind.

[ibraheim718]

Guy, you need some professional help, visit doctor or something.
I posted what people told you month and half ago, and your "epic comback" was to go back and copy past my posts from...5 year ago?
Funniest part about posts you mentioned is that i later went on record and said:
Hezonja sucks and gave up on him after year two
Eat portion of crows about Trae Young just about 50000 times and every time i mock my own posts, i mention how wrong i was about him. Also, every time i count best nba players, especially on East, i mention him.
I could not stand Vuc game until around 2017 &2018 as he turned long 2s into 3 point shots that transformed his game and made him two times allstar. Vuc was NOT same player around 2015 and in 2018.

This still doesn't change fact you have to be borderline lunatic to spent your nights rading 15 000 of my posts to "get back at me" and that led you to rabbit hole of reading things that somebody posted FIVE YEARS AGO.
Only raeson why i even copy pasted what you said is because it was relevant to talking point of today. Jalen Suggs. Knicks fans view you as closet Magic fan who was famming over 13 points ( 5-12 FG) , 4 assists, 3 rebounds game so much that other posters figured you are annoying as hell and started going at you.
You have history with that player and being hardcore stan for him. What i thought about Lebron as he was entering nba or Hezonja or Allan Iverson is irrelevant to this tread.

Payton goes under screens against every single PG in a league,and 80% of them use it for open shots.

Even Oladipo and Gordon have questionable defensive possessions when they force things .

Harris trade happend to open playing time for Hezonja, not because Ilyasova and Jennings are actual future, they are 2 players in last year of their deals, and now out of nowhere LOladipo who is 6,'3 is getting playing time at SF? DaFaq ???
Watson who missed whole year is getting more min than HEzonja?

28 games left this season is waste for Orlando since you won't make playoffs and you are nowhere near bad enough for good/great pick. And yet you refuse to play rookie that you sucked whole last year for?
I'll just qoute WF :"I Feel Like I'm Taking Crazy Pills"

Payton year after that , in deep analytical defensive overview was viewed as league's worst pick&roll defender ( so... guess who was right ? )
Jennings and Ilyasova for Harris was the worst trade for Orlando in last 20 years.
Oladipo playing with Meeks & Payton on perimeter was mockery. Oladipo described time with Orlando as messy and players fighting each other instad opponents on the floor.
Hezonja sucked. Fact. Hezonja being buried in rotation over one year rental Jeff Green, 1 year rental of Meeks, one year rental of Ilyasova made no sense whatsoever. It's like playing Mulder and Garry Harris over Suggs whole year.

Just for sake of argument i wanted Suggs at draft night, and was thrilled to get him. I'm hopefull he can improve his ballhandling & shooting. But today, his offense is simply his weak point. Being fan should not make you blind.

I'm not got going read all of this. And this will be the last time I address you.

Here's my problem with you. You're using statistics sometimes advanced statistics to completely shred a twenty year old rookie clearly struggling to adapt to a new style of basketball and to playing a new position.

I on the other hand am not stupid enough to do that because I've seen rookies struggle and then turn it around in the subsequent few years. In fact almost all of them do.

You think Suggs is terrible because his statistics don't impress you. I think he's going to lead a team to a championship because he does things and makes plays that win games and that you can't teach players to do.

We can agree to disagree about him. But trust me I'll be revisiting this topic in a few years.

[pepe1991]

Guy, you need some professional help, visit doctor or something.
I posted what people told you month and half ago, and your "epic comback" was to go back and copy past my posts from...5 year ago?
Funniest part about posts you mentioned is that i later went on record and said:
Hezonja sucks and gave up on him after year two
Eat portion of crows about Trae Young just about 50000 times and every time i mock my own posts, i mention how wrong i was about him. Also, every time i count best nba players, especially on East, i mention him.
I could not stand Vuc game until around 2017 &2018 as he turned long 2s into 3 point shots that transformed his game and made him two times allstar. Vuc was NOT same player around 2015 and in 2018.

This still doesn't change fact you have to be borderline lunatic to spent your nights rading 15 000 of my posts to "get back at me" and that led you to rabbit hole of reading things that somebody posted FIVE YEARS AGO.
Only raeson why i even copy pasted what you said is because it was relevant to talking point of today. Jalen Suggs. Knicks fans view you as closet Magic fan who was famming over 13 points ( 5-12 FG) , 4 assists, 3 rebounds game so much that other posters figured you are annoying as hell and started going at you.
You have history with that player and being hardcore stan for him. What i thought about Lebron as he was entering nba or Hezonja or Allan Iverson is irrelevant to this tread.

Payton goes under screens against every single PG in a league,and 80% of them use it for open shots.

Even Oladipo and Gordon have questionable defensive possessions when they force things .

Harris trade happend to open playing time for Hezonja, not because Ilyasova and Jennings are actual future, they are 2 players in last year of their deals, and now out of nowhere LOladipo who is 6,'3 is getting playing time at SF? DaFaq ???
Watson who missed whole year is getting more min than HEzonja?

28 games left this season is waste for Orlando since you won't make playoffs and you are nowhere near bad enough for good/great pick. And yet you refuse to play rookie that you sucked whole last year for?
I'll just qoute WF :"I Feel Like I'm Taking Crazy Pills"

Payton year after that , in deep analytical defensive overview was viewed as league's worst pick&roll defender ( so... guess who was right ? )
Jennings and Ilyasova for Harris was the worst trade for Orlando in last 20 years.
Oladipo playing with Meeks & Payton on perimeter was mockery. Oladipo described time with Orlando as messy and players fighting each other instad opponents on the floor.
Hezonja sucked. Fact. Hezonja being buried in rotation over one year rental Jeff Green, 1 year rental of Meeks, one year rental of Ilyasova made no sense whatsoever. It's like playing Mulder and Garry Harris over Suggs whole year.

Just for sake of argument i wanted Suggs at draft night, and was thrilled to get him. I'm hopefull he can improve his ballhandling & shooting. But today, his offense is simply his weak point. Being fan should not make you blind.

I'm not got going read all of this. And this will be the last time I address you.

Here's my problem with you. You're using statistics sometimes advanced statistics to completely shred a twenty year old rookie clearly struggling to adapt to a new style of basketball and to playing a new position.

I on the other hand am not stupid enough to do that because I've seen rookies struggle and then turn it around in the subsequent few years. In fact almost all of them do.

You think Suggs is terrible because his statistics don't impress you. I think he's going to lead a team to a championship because he does things and makes plays that win games and that you can't teach players to do.

We can agree to disagree about him. But trust me I'll be revisiting this topic in a few years.

I bet you will, if you turn to be right. i bet you won't, if you turn to be wrong. I'm still waiting angry Elfrid Payton fanboys to adress how wrong i was from 2016.

For a record i don't think Suggs sucks because of his advanced stats. I don't even think Suggs sucks- per se.
I think there are aspects of his game that translated in most awful fashion imagined. Lack of elite ballhandling skills was clear at college level, in nba it got just that much worst. lack of ability to play pick&roll was clear at college, in nba you can't be ball dominant player if you are not good at navigating screens and excell as pick&roll ballhandler.

I think he's going to lead a team to a championship because he does things and makes plays that win games and that you can't teach players to do.

Lead to championship ? Holly Jesus. You know that last 10 years only players who led teams to championships are Durant, Curry, Kawhi, Giannis, Dirk and Lebron? You view Suggs as that type of player?

LIterally my recation


Can he be supporting cast member of some superstar to win title ? Sure. Playing Jrue Holiday role would be amazing scenario. I think i even compared him to Jrue before draft. But no, he does not have superstar talent to lead team to title. Honestlly, before Curry, last PG who lead team anywhere was Billups, before him, I. Thomas 30 years ago. Point guards rarley ever are best players on championship teams ( can add Parker for one Spurs tilte if you want ).

[drsd]

Did you guys see Suggs play against Celtics? He had 10 FT attempts. And he was aggressive getting to the hoop. He was pretty good at finishing too. IMO he is the only one who can do it on the Magic Roster. Cole is too small and Harris plus Ross are shooters.

Suggs' biggest problem is his finishing plus shooting. But that can grow. I just hope he keeps attacking and getting to the hoop.

I trust my eye test rather than stats. Suggs has a bright future

And-1.

And I will add: Suggs is already a great defender statistically. He has room to grow in to an All-NBA defender. If he is that and an above average distributor with a average scoring game, he will be an All star.

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[Skybox]

Did you guys see Suggs play against Celtics? He had 10 FT attempts. And he was aggressive getting to the hoop. He was pretty good at finishing too. IMO he is the only one who can do it on the Magic Roster. Cole is too small and Harris plus Ross are shooters.

Suggs' biggest problem is his finishing plus shooting. But that can grow. I just hope he keeps attacking and getting to the hoop.

I trust my eye test rather than stats. Suggs has a bright future

And-1.

And I will add: Suggs is already a great defender statistically. He has room to grow in to an All-NBA defender. If he is that and an above average distributor with a average scoring game, he will be an All star.

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Absolutely. His defense is here already and his (I'll settle for) WILLINGNESS to go hard to the rim is perhaps the single most important thing we're missing. Attacking the rim is a huge part of NBA basketball, not just for drawing fouls and freebie FTs but it contracts the whole defense...anything that forces some form of adjustment or chaos to the defensive scheme is akin to "spreading the floor" or "gravity". The other night, Nurkic (of all people) shot 8 FT's and so did ORL...I threw up in my mouth reading that.

[thelead]

What is Suggs' injury status?

[p0peye]

At his current skill level Suggs sometimes reminds me of 4 inch shorter version of AG.

[basketballRob]

What is Suggs' injury status?

He's listed as questionable.



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[thelead]

What is Suggs' injury status?

He's listed as questionable.



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I saw today's podcast and he said he was feeling good. We'll see I guess.

[ChosenSavior]

What is Suggs' injury status?

He's listed as questionable.



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I saw today's podcast and he said he was feeling good. We'll see I guess.

I peeped his IG and he did go visit his alma mater and was moving just fine over there so maybe rest did him good and he plays tonight against the Jazz.

[PrimeThyme]

I saw today's podcast and he said he was feeling good. We'll see I guess.

I would absolutely not mess around with a sore Achilles. Especially with how explosive his style of play is. I’d rest him until it’s fully healed, to avoid a tear at all costs.

[Rainwater]

Guy, you need some professional help, visit doctor or something.
I posted what people told you month and half ago, and your "epic comback" was to go back and copy past my posts from...5 year ago?
Funniest part about posts you mentioned is that i later went on record and said:
Hezonja sucks and gave up on him after year two
Eat portion of crows about Trae Young just about 50000 times and every time i mock my own posts, i mention how wrong i was about him. Also, every time i count best nba players, especially on East, i mention him.
I could not stand Vuc game until around 2017 &2018 as he turned long 2s into 3 point shots that transformed his game and made him two times allstar. Vuc was NOT same player around 2015 and in 2018.

This still doesn't change fact you have to be borderline lunatic to spent your nights rading 15 000 of my posts to "get back at me" and that led you to rabbit hole of reading things that somebody posted FIVE YEARS AGO.
Only raeson why i even copy pasted what you said is because it was relevant to talking point of today. Jalen Suggs. Knicks fans view you as closet Magic fan who was famming over 13 points ( 5-12 FG) , 4 assists, 3 rebounds game so much that other posters figured you are annoying as hell and started going at you.
You have history with that player and being hardcore stan for him. What i thought about Lebron as he was entering nba or Hezonja or Allan Iverson is irrelevant to this tread.

Payton goes under screens against every single PG in a league,and 80% of them use it for open shots.

Even Oladipo and Gordon have questionable defensive possessions when they force things .

Harris trade happend to open playing time for Hezonja, not because Ilyasova and Jennings are actual future, they are 2 players in last year of their deals, and now out of nowhere LOladipo who is 6,'3 is getting playing time at SF? DaFaq ???
Watson who missed whole year is getting more min than HEzonja?

28 games left this season is waste for Orlando since you won't make playoffs and you are nowhere near bad enough for good/great pick. And yet you refuse to play rookie that you sucked whole last year for?
I'll just qoute WF :"I Feel Like I'm Taking Crazy Pills"

Payton year after that , in deep analytical defensive overview was viewed as league's worst pick&roll defender ( so... guess who was right ? )
Jennings and Ilyasova for Harris was the worst trade for Orlando in last 20 years.
Oladipo playing with Meeks & Payton on perimeter was mockery. Oladipo described time with Orlando as messy and players fighting each other instad opponents on the floor.
Hezonja sucked. Fact. Hezonja being buried in rotation over one year rental Jeff Green, 1 year rental of Meeks, one year rental of Ilyasova made no sense whatsoever. It's like playing Mulder and Garry Harris over Suggs whole year.

Just for sake of argument i wanted Suggs at draft night, and was thrilled to get him. I'm hopefull he can improve his ballhandling & shooting. But today, his offense is simply his weak point. Being fan should not make you blind.

I'm not got going read all of this. And this will be the last time I address you.

Here's my problem with you. You're using statistics sometimes advanced statistics to completely shred a twenty year old rookie clearly struggling to adapt to a new style of basketball and to playing a new position.

I on the other hand am not stupid enough to do that because I've seen rookies struggle and then turn it around in the subsequent few years. In fact almost all of them do.

You think Suggs is terrible because his statistics don't impress you. I think he's going to lead a team to a championship because he does things and makes plays that win games and that you can't teach players to do.

We can agree to disagree about him. But trust me I'll be revisiting this topic in a few years.

This is not true most rookies don't turn it around. The average NBA career is about 4 years. So typically if you are not showing anything by year 3 or 4 you are likely a goner hence why most should give Suggs some time.

Fans have a tendency when a top 10 rookie is struggling to compare them to other rookies past who struggled then become All-stars rather then compare them to other rookies who struggled then are out of the league or just ended up becoming role players which is typically the case. People compare them to Billups or Lowery, success stories, rather than Jabari Parker, Darko, Marcus Smart or any of the magic draft picks the last 10 year which are typically the norm.

I am not saying that Suggs is a bust or a future all star (although I do think a solid role player is his likely track). But give the kid at least a few years before going all in or all out especially since he is more of a grower then a shower, lol.