Official NBA COVID Protocol thread (please read the OP)

[Sedale Threatt]

"The whitest thing of all" yeah no radical agendas with this one.

If by "radical agenda" you mean citing a string of actual historical documents and accounts, then yes, it's extremely radical.

So what was the need to include the word whitest?

Ask him. In the meantime, since you got your little out so you can ignore facts, here's some spoon feeding for you.

A letter from Thomas Jefferson on vaccines:

I have received the copy of the Evidence at large respecting the discovery of the Vaccine inoculation, which you have been pleased to send me, and for which I return you my thanks. Having been among the early converts, in this part of the globe, to its efficacy, I took an early part in recommending it to my countrymen. I avail myself of this occasion of rendering you my portion of the tribute of gratitude due to you from the whole human family. Medecine has never before produced any single improvement of such utility. Harvey's discovery of the circulation of the blood was a beautiful addition to our knowledge of the animal economy, but on a review of the practice of medecine before and since that epoch, I do not see any great amelioration which has been derived from that discovery. You have erased from the calendar of human afflictions one of its greatest. Yours is the comfortable reflection that mankind can never forget that you have lived. Future nations will know by history only that the loathsome small-pox has existed and by you has been extirpated. Accept the most fervent wishes for your health and happiness and assurances of the greatest respect and consideration.

And a brief summary of the Yellow Fever epidemic:

By September 1794 the yellow fever lingered in Baltimore, where it had spread from Philadelphia. In 1795 it reached New York City.

One John Coverdale, from Henderskelfe, Yorkshire, England, wrote President Washington a long letter. He advocated more drastic measures, including three weeks of quarantine and policemen strategically placed in every corner to hinder people from passing from zone to zone; and he wanted people “to carry with them certificates either of their coming from places not infected or of their passing the line by permission.”

In other words, a quarantine, lockdown and vaccine passports.

No politician we know of at the time considered such measures un-American. In May of 1796, Congress adopted, and President Washington signed, the first federal quarantine law. There wasn’t much controversy. In 1799, Congress passed a second and more restrictive quarantine law. President Adams signed it without a flinch.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/10/27/the-founding-fathers-and-vaccine-mandates-opinion/

But yes, I want to hear more about how the Founding Fathers would have frowned on restrictions to stem a public health crisis.

EDIT: Did not see Bisme's note. Bowing out after this.

[JonFromVA]

He's clearly a smart guy too, but just really susceptible to nonsense.

The latter part sounds like the definition of being stupid

Imagine having an ego and brain that thinks you just know better than all these scientists and world leaders who created and pushed a global vaccination process, key word - global. you might call me a stupid sheep, but I admit I am not the smartest guy and there are people far smarter than me who know better, especially in a field like, I dont know, medical science? When this guy arent vocationing mid season and keeping evil spirits away, he tweets how he knows what a real god of the universe is and picks and chooses what scientific FACTS to believe and not. Thats ladies and gentlemen is a MORON.

The problem is we have to filter out what the politicians and the organizations they control are trying to tell us .vs. what the actual scientists on the front line are trying to tell us.

I mean do you recall the debacle with masking in the early days?

They told us we didn't need to wear them, just follow some of the guidelines developed 100 years ago during the Spanish Flu epidemic.

My common sense triggered on that, because I understood Doctors concerned about viral infection take a whole lot of precautions. They don't just "socially distance" or wear a bandana over their mouth (let alone their eyes).

I shortly found an interview with the physician in charge of dealing with infectious diseases in South Korea and he emphasized the importance of wearings masks and I had confirmed my common sense.

So, I didn't ignore science or just rely on my own thoughts ... I found someone with actual experience fighting a pandemic in modern times (SARS and MERS) ... and then I acted on it, by procuring the best masks I could find for my family (KN95 at the time).

I guess I'm a Google search savant or something, but I don't find this sort of thing hard or beyond my capability to research.

[Dirk]

But I'm going to let this percolate for a bit.

[Jadoogar]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

That wasn't the point. He's not scared of COVID, he's scared that he will have to carry the team since Kyrie is only with the team part time.

[MotownMadness]

If by "radical agenda" you mean citing a string of actual historical documents and accounts, then yes, it's extremely radical.

So what was the need to include the word whitest?

Ask him. In the meantime, since you got your little out so you can ignore facts, here's some spoon feeding for you.

A letter from Thomas Jefferson on vaccines:

I have received the copy of the Evidence at large respecting the discovery of the Vaccine inoculation, which you have been pleased to send me, and for which I return you my thanks. Having been among the early converts, in this part of the globe, to its efficacy, I took an early part in recommending it to my countrymen. I avail myself of this occasion of rendering you my portion of the tribute of gratitude due to you from the whole human family. Medecine has never before produced any single improvement of such utility. Harvey's discovery of the circulation of the blood was a beautiful addition to our knowledge of the animal economy, but on a review of the practice of medecine before and since that epoch, I do not see any great amelioration which has been derived from that discovery. You have erased from the calendar of human afflictions one of its greatest. Yours is the comfortable reflection that mankind can never forget that you have lived. Future nations will know by history only that the loathsome small-pox has existed and by you has been extirpated. Accept the most fervent wishes for your health and happiness and assurances of the greatest respect and consideration.

And a brief summary of the Yellow Fever epidemic:

By September 1794 the yellow fever lingered in Baltimore, where it had spread from Philadelphia. In 1795 it reached New York City.

One John Coverdale, from Henderskelfe, Yorkshire, England, wrote President Washington a long letter. He advocated more drastic measures, including three weeks of quarantine and policemen strategically placed in every corner to hinder people from passing from zone to zone; and he wanted people “to carry with them certificates either of their coming from places not infected or of their passing the line by permission.”

In other words, a quarantine, lockdown and vaccine passports.

No politician we know of at the time considered such measures un-American. In May of 1796, Congress adopted, and President Washington signed, the first federal quarantine law. There wasn’t much controversy. In 1799, Congress passed a second and more restrictive quarantine law. President Adams signed it without a flinch.

https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/10/27/the-founding-fathers-and-vaccine-mandates-opinion/

But yes, I want to hear more about how the Founding Fathers would have frowned on restrictions to stem a public health crisis.

EDIT: Did not see Bisme's note. Bowing out after this.

Oh I'm not completely against vaccines and understand how effective they have been before. This one just personally doesn't sit well with me for whatever reason. Maybe it's because of all the politics that have been involved, the way they handled it IDK, But I'm not Anti-Vax like I deny all vaccines or something.

[JonFromVA]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

knocking on wood, but no one in my family had it so far.

How often do you guys get tested for no reason like the NBA? I would have never even known I had it if it wasn't for a mandatory testing before surgery.

I would imagine you've had it at some point and just don't know it. Especially if you have kids, I get emails daily from the schools about a new case and all 3 of my little ones have caught it as well.

If my kid was in a school which didn't have a vax and mask mandate I just might do something "selfish" to protect myself.

[MotownMadness]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

That wasn't the point. He's not scared of COVID, he's scared that he will have to carry the team since Kyrie is only with the team part time.

Well a kids game doesn't really give a good enough reason to decide a individuals health decision. He's gone now so hopefully he stays in shape and takes the back end of his career serious enough to get that chip.

[MotownMadness]

knocking on wood, but no one in my family had it so far.

How often do you guys get tested for no reason like the NBA? I would have never even known I had it if it wasn't for a mandatory testing before surgery.

I would imagine you've had it at some point and just don't know it. Especially if you have kids, I get emails daily from the schools about a new case and all 3 of my little ones have caught it as well.

If my kid was in a school which didn't have a vax and mask mandate I just might do something "selfish" to protect myself.

My kids have the paper mask mandate, there's no reason for them to get vaccinated though in my opinion. Not even sure you can use science to support why I should make them get it either.

If you're vaccinated then you have nothing to worry about, aside from still catching Covid I guess.

[MotownMadness]

But I'm done, this is definitely feeling like too much Covid talk and I know some people get very offended by these discussions.

[CobraCommander]

what i find funny, is how much mature james harden is than either kyrie or durant

james harden gets crapped on the most of any player in the league, and doesnt pay it any mind.

Imagine going on twitter or social media to argue with kids

How meta is this-

We on the internet arguing with randos about Kyrie being on the internet arguing with randos...

[Hello Brooklyn]

[MotownMadness]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

That wasn't the point. He's not scared of COVID, he's scared that he will have to carry the team since Kyrie is only with the team part time.

Has he spoke about this subject and Kyrie yet?

[improper]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

Why would anyone think that Harden is scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated? He's not. He was pissed that Kyrie's ignorance and selfishness was costing the team games.

I don't like Harden, and I think his brand of basketball contributed to making the NBA less fun, but I absolutely get where he's coming from here. I'd be livid if I was on an NBA team and one of the team's three best players could only play in half the games because of a selfish decision, and even more so if that selfish decision contributed directly to a ten game losing streak. Everyone else on the roster did what they needed to, got the shot, and is out on the court when they're healthy enough to play. Maybe some of them didn't like getting it, but they did it anyway because they're team players. Kyrie isn't a team player. He only cares about himself and it's costing his team games.

[MotownMadness]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

Why would anyone think that Harden is scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated? He's not. He was pissed that Kyrie's ignorance and selfishness was costing the team games.

I don't like Harden, and I think his brand of basketball contributed to making the NBA less fun, but I absolutely get where he's coming from here. I'd be livid if I was on an NBA team and one of the team's three best players could only play in half the games because of a selfish decision, and even more so if that selfish decision contributed directly to a ten game losing streak. Everyone else on the roster did what they needed to, got the shot, and is out on the court when they're healthy enough to play. Maybe some of them didn't like getting it, but they did it anyway because they're team players. Kyrie isn't a team player. He only cares about himself and it's costing his team games.

I think that's more selfish on your part for telling someone what they have to do medically for a basketball game.

Assuming he's not afraid of it effecting his own health like you say but is just a basketball decision.

[JonFromVA]

How often do you guys get tested for no reason like the NBA? I would have never even known I had it if it wasn't for a mandatory testing before surgery.

I would imagine you've had it at some point and just don't know it. Especially if you have kids, I get emails daily from the schools about a new case and all 3 of my little ones have caught it as well.

If my kid was in a school which didn't have a vax and mask mandate I just might do something "selfish" to protect myself.

My kids have the paper mask mandate, there's no reason for them to get vaccinated though in my opinion. Not even sure you can use science to support why I should make them get it either.

If you're vaccinated then you have nothing to worry about, aside from still catching Covid I guess.

Well, if you don't catch Covid you can't transmit Covid, and the vaccine helps prevent transmission.

And vax'd people can still catch Covid and while the odds are a lot better, there's still a chance to suffer complications from Covid or even die.

So, alas, the correct answer is to manage exposure, get vaxxed, and to wear masks.

Of course, we all take risks every day of our lives, which is fine. My problem is when other people want to take risks with my life.

[Edrees]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

Why would anyone think that Harden is scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated? He's not. He was pissed that Kyrie's ignorance and selfishness was costing the team games.

I don't like Harden, and I think his brand of basketball contributed to making the NBA less fun, but I absolutely get where he's coming from here. I'd be livid if I was on an NBA team and one of the team's three best players could only play in half the games because of a selfish decision, and even more so if that selfish decision contributed directly to a ten game losing streak. Everyone else on the roster did what they needed to, got the shot, and is out on the court when they're healthy enough to play. Maybe some of them didn't like getting it, but they did it anyway because they're team players. Kyrie isn't a team player. He only cares about himself and it's costing his team games.

I think that's more selfish on your part for telling someone what they have to do medically for a basketball game.

Assuming he's not afraid of it effecting his own health like you say but is just a basketball decision.

It's not selfish if you want him to do it for the sake of everyone else on the team and for the sake of all the fans of the team (not just yourrelf) You're telling 1 person to do something for the benefit of hundreds if not thousands. (not talking about covid immunity, talking about the Nets being a better team, which benefits all nets coaches, players, and fans)

For example, if Kawhi was injured on the Clippers, and wasn't taking the proper steps to get his knee healed and back into shape, would you be against fans telling him (medically) what he needs to do to get his knee back to health so he can return to the court? Would you be against the principal of fans wanting him to take the proper drugs that people take when healing injuries after surgery?

[Capn'O]

Also I like how Harden is now apparently leaving because Kyrie is not vaccinated. The same guy who was partying in and out of strip clubs during lock downs.

I doubt he's really scared of Kyrie not being vaccinated. I mean who at this point hasn't had Covid? I don't even know anyone anymore that hasn't had it.

He wasn't scared of Kyrie lol. It's just, imagine your team has lost 10 in a row and getting beat down every night and your max allstar point guard chooses to sit at home and watch on TV rather than going to Walgreens for 5 minutes. It has to cause friction with teammates and the franchise.

And yes I know people who are against getting vaccinated see it as some major stand Kyrie is taking and respect him for it. But people who are vaccinated see it as absurdly stupid. And being a bad teammate. If you go to BK to play with Kyrie and he doesn't care about winning, why should you want to be there and help him win while he's sitting on he couch?

I agree with the general principle here... but Harden man... this dude quit on KD and the rest of the team too. I lost major respect for him.

[KrAzY3]

The logic for demanding Kyrie get vaccinated was a heck of a lot stronger before the variants that seem to infect vaccinated and unvaccinated at similar rates existed. At this point it's almost entirely about the health of the individual, and their individual choice. If it doesn't show a very significant rate of protection from catching the current variants, then the risk an unvaccinated individual poses to others becomes negligible. We have ample evidence of transmission from vaccinated to vaccinated people. The idea that Kyrie might get sicker because he's not vaccinated also poses little risk because of how often they are tested and the fact that if he is in fact sicker he would start to show symptoms.

At this point people are mad at Kyrie for making his own choices about his own body, which is unfortunate in my opinion.

[Duke4life831]

I'm not going to lie, I thought his responses were pretty funny.

Everyone needs to just give up with this stuff. The guy has made his decision, it is what it is. Either you agree with him or not, his decision has been made and he has answered this question over and over again. People need to get over asking him this.

[improper]

I think that's more selfish on your part for telling someone what they have to do medically for a basketball game.

Assuming he's not afraid of it effecting his own health like you say but is just a basketball decision.

Kyrie Irving gets paid tens of millions of dollars to play basketball. He's made a personal decision that is not only impairing his ability to play basketball, but it's quite literally costing his team games. His health decisions impact more than just him. They impact his team, which has invested a significant sum of money into him.

Right now, he's not living up to his contract and he's not supporting his teammates, because even though he can play in roughly half of the team's games, having him constantly in and out of the lineup can't possibly be good for team chemistry.

This isn't rocket science. If you get paid millions to play a game, you should do whatever is in your power to be out there every week. Kyrie Irving is not doing that. He's healthy and he's missing games because of a personal decision based on nothing but his own ignorance.