Let's talk about just how bad that KP trade was

MrGoat · Post #1 » by **MrGoat** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:47 am

After my initial rage at the trade I waited to cool off and give the trade a closer look. It didn't get any better upon closer inspection.

Here's the breakdown:

2023: KP: 33.8M guaranteed, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 34M guaranteed

2024: KP: 36M player option, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 27M guaranteed, goes up to 35.8M if Spencer Dinwiddie plays in 6 more games

Dinwiddie has a 10M guarantee for 2024 that becomes a fully guaranteed if he plays in 50 games between the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons, he has already played 44 games this season so 6 to go.

2025: KP: 0, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 5M guaranteed, can go up to 16M in the unlikely event Bertans plays in 75% of his games in 2024

So let's get this straight, if Dallas actually plays Dinwiddie then they will have actually taken on more money. If Dinwiddie is an overpriced doorstop then they took on 5M in 2025 to save 9M in 2024. So basically they traded KP for 2 of Washington's worst contracts and they are the team that gave the Wizards a pick. And there's a chance KP declines his player option for long term security if he plays all right next season. Not to mention that Dinwiddie and Bertans completely suck so good luck trading them to clear space without attaching sweeteners that they don't have

Can somebody give me an example of a trade where a team got bent over worse than this at the negotiating table? I think you can unironically argue that they would have been better off just trading for Westbrook, and don't try to tell me the Lakers wouldn't have taken a KP package for Westy.

LloydFree · Post #2 » by **LloydFree** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:55 am

MrGoat wrote:After my initial rage at the trade I waited to cool off and give the trade a closer look. It didn't get any better upon closer inspection.

Here's the breakdown:

2023: KP: 33.8M guaranteed, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 34M guaranteed

2024: KP: 36M player option, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 27M guaranteed, goes up to 35.8M if Spencer Dinwiddie plays in 6 more games

Dinwiddie has a 10M guarantee for 2024 that becomes a fully guaranteed if he plays in 50 games between the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons, he has already played 44 games this season so 6 to go.

2025: KP: 0, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 5M guaranteed, can go up to 16M in the unlikely event Bertans plays in 75% of his games in 2024

So let's get this straight, if Dallas actually plays Dinwiddie then they will have actually taken on more money. If Dinwiddie is an overpriced doorstop then they took on 5M in 2025 to save 9M in 2024. So basically they traded KP for 2 of Washington's worst contracts and they are the team that gave the Wizards a pick. And there's a chance KP declines his player option for long term security if he plays all right next season. Not to mention that Dinwiddie and Bertans completely suck so good luck trading them to clear space without attaching sweeteners that they don't have

Can somebody give me an example of a trade where a team got bent over worse than this at the negotiating table? I think you can unironically argue that they would have been better off just trading for Westbrook, and don't try to tell me the Lakers wouldn't have taken a KP package for Westy.

This isn't anywhere near as bad as you're laying out, because KP isn't that good. If anything, they "got bent over" worse by the Knicks, when the Mavs traded for him in the first place.

alevirfe · Post #3 » by **alevirfe** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:00 am

based on your summary it sounds like the contract length and dollars are essentially the same with the exception of the $5M in 2025 which is pretty negligible

if the money is the same, it's worth looking at the players and their production and what other assets were included. to your point, Dallas adding a FRP for what is essentially flipping players with similar contracts makes no sense

with all of that said, I do think Dinwiddie has a chance to still be a productive player and maybe that's what Dallas is banking on. he's not even a year out from major knee surgery, and it usually takes about that long for a player to look like themselves. if Dinwiddie's value can be rehabbed you're essentially cutting KP's contract in half and possibly getting an asset back in a trade down the line.. but will that amount to the FRP they gave up?

confusing trade for sure

Up-And-Coming · Post #4 » by **Up-And-Coming** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:00 am

I still don't know why the Mavs made that trade.

Catchall · Post #5 » by **Catchall** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:03 am

Yeah, I understand picking up Dinwiddie with THJ being out and to have a backup plan in case Brunson leaves (although I might have preferred Schroeder tbh), but Bertans is a bad contract. Maybe trading KP seemed urgent, but this may just be making things worse.

Pachinko_ · Post #6 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:09 am

- Hey Luka, we can't actually get you any help, but at least we got you a player from your country: Davis Bertans!
- He's not from my country.
- ****.

dirkforpres · Post #7 » by **dirkforpres** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:10 am

Awful trade, but it was more about getting off that toxic max contract and getting 2 more easily moveable contracts.

Regardless, Mavs front office sucks. Apparently they could’ve just traded KP for Dragic and a pick plus fillers. How is that offer worse than Bertans and Dinwiddie?

Ckay · Post #8 » by **Ckay** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:11 am

It's funny now.

Read on Twitter

tcheco · Post #9 » by **tcheco** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:12 am

I hate it, and that's the part of me that hates that we don't have all the details.

I don't think KP is incredible, but I feel like he was a positive asset still, and Bertans and Dinwiddie are both bad players in bad contracts

I can't believe that there were no better options, or dallas don't think bertans and Din are negatives? Even in a trade with the wizards, kuzma and/or harrel made so much more sense, fit wise and talent, instead of Bertans.

Anyways, fit wise, looks terrible, and the money is close, so, head scratcher

pontius · Post #10 » by **pontius** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:13 am

Up-And-Coming wrote:I still don't know why the Mavs made that trade.

They probably think it will be easier to move Dinwiddie and Bertans contracts individually than KP's massive contract in the future. Most likely, the Mavs strategy is to clear cap and wait for a big free agent who wants to play with Doncic.

Pharmcat · Post #11 » by **Pharmcat** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:14 am

Cuban gave trunkster (a suitcase company) a 28 million dollar valuation , what makes anyone think he can run a good bball operation these days?

Johnny Tomala · Post #12 » by **Johnny Tomala** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:14 am

This is the worst trade at the deadline. Mavs got fleeced. KP was good this season, they got Wizards trash for him. And what, Mavs added first round pick?!!!? I realised that only now. I don't get that trade from Mavs perspective at all.

Tor_Raps · Post #13 » by **Tor_Raps** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:17 am

Up-And-Coming wrote:I still don't know why the Mavs made that trade.

I'm guessing Luka had enough of Porzingis thinking he was worth 2nd option touches so he got rid of him and put up a career high 51 points in the process lol.

sanima233 · Post #14 » by **sanima233** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:17 am

Johnny Tomala wrote:This is the worst trade at the deadline. Mavs got fleeced. KP was good this season, they got Wizards trash for him. And what, Mavs added first round pick?!!!? I realised that only now. I don't get that trade from Mavs perspective at all.

it was a 2nd round pick..... trade is still baffling.

sanima233 · Post #15 » by **sanima233** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:20 am

LloydFree wrote:
MrGoat wrote:After my initial rage at the trade I waited to cool off and give the trade a closer look. It didn't get any better upon closer inspection.

Here's the breakdown:

2023: KP: 33.8M guaranteed, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 34M guaranteed

2024: KP: 36M player option, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 27M guaranteed, goes up to 35.8M if Spencer Dinwiddie plays in 6 more games

Dinwiddie has a 10M guarantee for 2024 that becomes a fully guaranteed if he plays in 50 games between the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons, he has already played 44 games this season so 6 to go.

2025: KP: 0, Dinwiddie + Bertans: 5M guaranteed, can go up to 16M in the unlikely event Bertans plays in 75% of his games in 2024

So let's get this straight, if Dallas actually plays Dinwiddie then they will have actually taken on more money. If Dinwiddie is an overpriced doorstop then they took on 5M in 2025 to save 9M in 2024. So basically they traded KP for 2 of Washington's worst contracts and they are the team that gave the Wizards a pick. And there's a chance KP declines his player option for long term security if he plays all right next season. Not to mention that Dinwiddie and Bertans completely suck so good luck trading them to clear space without attaching sweeteners that they don't have

Can somebody give me an example of a trade where a team got bent over worse than this at the negotiating table? I think you can unironically argue that they would have been better off just trading for Westbrook, and don't try to tell me the Lakers wouldn't have taken a KP package for Westy.

This isn't anywhere near as bad as you're laying out, because KP isn't that good. If anything, the they "got bent over" worse by the Knicks, when the Mavs traded for him in the first place.

cause Dinwiddie and Bertans are playing so much better. KP has reliability issues but has been good when he plays, Dinwiddie and bertans have reliability issues and are also really bad even when they do play.

LAL1947 · Post #16 » by **LAL1947** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:21 am

alevirfe wrote:Dallas adding a FRP

I think Dallas sent a 2nd round pick, not a 1st?

Should have been Washington sending a 1st to Dallas IMO though.

HotelVitale · Post #17 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:24 am

I haven't followed the trade or chatter around it that closely and it's definitely a confusing one, but my best guess is that all 4 of these had to be true:

1) KP's trade market was ice cold
2) the Mavs reasoned that Dinwiddie and Bertans would be more valuable on this team than the Wiz, given a smaller role for SD's shot creation (often really nice in small doses) and the obvious need for Laster-time's shooting at the stretch 4; if either or both click that provides a boost in the PO, and if both do that's extra depth
3) they also thought that one of the two or both contracts might be more moveable down the line than KP's big one; KP's injury concerns might factor into that
4) KP was getting toxic or at least a less than ideal locker room presence

Post #18 » by **HMFFL** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:26 am

KP gone makes me happy. Now, I can ride out the season knowing he won't be a distraction, and have two players that are capable of contributing. Dallas explored all of their options and Washington wanted him.

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ShazamDaShiznt · Post #19 » by **ShazamDaShiznt** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:26 am

It's epic bad

Reminds me of old NBA live games where I could trade two trash players for one decent player if the salaries match.

Johnny Tomala · Post #20 » by **Johnny Tomala** » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:29 am

sanima233 wrote:
Johnny Tomala wrote:This is the worst trade at the deadline. Mavs got fleeced. KP was good this season, they got Wizards trash for him. And what, Mavs added first round pick?!!!? I realised that only now. I don't get that trade from Mavs perspective at all.

it was a 2nd round pick..... trade is still baffling.

Someone wrote FRP in this thread and I also thought it was 2nd round pick, thx for clarifying that.