Game 57 vs Cleveland 7:00pm

[Wizop]

Buddy is thinking this is his 2nd chance to become a star outside of Sacramento. Unwilling to accept a team role.

The guys are likely to tell him why Caris got shipped out.

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[boomershadow]

[Wizop]

Fourth quarter collapses are becoming a pattern. We're playing a lot of guys so it shouldn't be running out of gas. Is Carlisle at fault or does our squad lack the ability to turn it up a notch at crunch time?

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[Topofthekey]

It's been only one game, but I think I see the Buddy problem that Kings fans have been trying to warn us about

Falls asleep sometimes on defense, and has the tendency to play hero ball on offense

[Tom White]

I guess I'm kind of mixed on Hield. His overall shooting was not great, but he did hit 40% of his threes (4-10) and also had 9 rebounds and 8 assists, so there were pluses to his game as well. I'd like to give more time before throwing him into the lake of fire.

Brissett did fit well in this game, and that was good to see. I think Washington's head might have been spinning a bit with the speed of the game. Hopefully he adapts.

Was there any update on Jackson's injury? Hope it isn't serious.

I hope these guys take advantage of the all-star break to get some work in and get familiar with each other.

[Wizop]

It's been only one game, but I think I see the Buddy problem that Kings fans have been trying to warn us about

Falls asleep sometimes on defense, and has the tendency to play hero ball on offense

And yet he had close to a triple double. Let's hope for the best

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[Wizop]

Was there any update on Jackson's injury? Hope it isn't serious.

I think he tweaked the sprained ankle that had him out recently.

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[Topofthekey]

Was there any update on Jackson's injury? Hope it isn't serious.

I think he tweaked the sprained ankle that had him out recently.

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I just hope he's not the latest addition to the list of Pacers players who have to constantly battle injuries

[Topofthekey]

i thought Goga 10 minutes 0-3 for zero points 1 rebound 1 block 1 turnover and 3 fouls couldn’t keep up thus Rick resorted to Smith and then Thompson to play center with the loss of Isaiah.

Carlisle: "Wait, we're winning? Tristan! You're up!"

[boomershadow]

It's been only one game, but I think I see the Buddy problem that Kings fans have been trying to warn us about

Falls asleep sometimes on defense, and has the tendency to play hero ball on offense

And yet he had close to a triple double. Let's hope for the best

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As a starter and main player, like Sacramento has wanted him to be at times in his stint there, this could be a real problem. If we bring him off the bench for 10-15 minutes and he doesn't do much but jack up shots on decent percentage, that will pprobably work okay.

[Wizop]

It's been only one game, but I think I see the Buddy problem that Kings fans have been trying to warn us about

Falls asleep sometimes on defense, and has the tendency to play hero ball on offense

And yet he had close to a triple double. Let's hope for the best

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As a starter and main player, like Sacramento has wanted him to be at times in his stint there, this could be a real problem. If we bring him off the bench for 10-15 minutes and he doesn't do much but jack up shots on decent percentage, that will pprobably work okay.

I heard Quinn say on TV that LeVert just couldn't help himself. Let's hope Buddy is coachable.

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[kalenclayton]

It's been only one game, but I think I see the Buddy problem that Kings fans have been trying to warn us about

Falls asleep sometimes on defense, and has the tendency to play hero ball on offense

And yet he had close to a triple double. Let's hope for the best

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As a starter and main player, like Sacramento has wanted him to be at times in his stint there, this could be a real problem. If we bring him off the bench for 10-15 minutes and he doesn't do much but jack up shots on decent percentage, that will pprobably work okay.

Just a word of optimism for you all: Buddy was a very good player near the end of Dave Joerger’s stint with Sacramento. Dave had Buddy under a strict role and there was a structure as to how Buddy would get his shots. Rick Carlisle is the best coach Buddy has had since Joerger (and possibly ever). If Carlisle can implement a system that gives Buddy the structure he needs, then I think Pacers fans will be happy with Buddy (and he’ll look like an asset). Fingers crossed for y’all.

[8305]

Fourth quarter collapses are becoming a pattern. We're playing a lot of guys so it shouldn't be running out of gas. Is Carlisle at fault or does our squad lack the ability to turn it up a notch at crunch time?

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I think the inability to turn it up at crunch time is a trait of bad basketball teams. Bad teams can be counted on to make mistakes and good teams know they can generally beat a bad team by turning up the pressure at the end of games. Get Brogdan and Turner back, put them out there with Hali and Duarte and we might have a chance to compete with an average NBA team in the 4th quarter. Until then we will probably have more remarkable 1st quarters followed by 4th quarters where the opponent turns up the effort a little and we will get this result. Probably the outcome we'd prefer at this point. A top 4 pick in this draft in this draft who pans out could get us back to an entertaining competitive brand of basketball.

[Scoot McGroot]

And yet he had close to a triple double. Let's hope for the best

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As a starter and main player, like Sacramento has wanted him to be at times in his stint there, this could be a real problem. If we bring him off the bench for 10-15 minutes and he doesn't do much but jack up shots on decent percentage, that will pprobably work okay.

Just a word of optimism for you all: Buddy was a very good player near the end of Dave Joerger’s stint with Sacramento. Dave had Buddy under a strict role and there was a structure as to how Buddy would get his shots. Rick Carlisle is the best coach Buddy has had since Joerger (and possibly ever). If Carlisle can implement a system that gives Buddy the structure he needs, then I think Pacers fans will be happy with Buddy (and he’ll look like an asset). Fingers crossed for y’all.

I’ll be honest. My only real hope for Buddy is simply that he stretches the defense with his shooting to open the lane a bit and make it easier for some of our young guys to develop. We were just getting so packed in the paint for a long time that it was making everything tougher.

[kalenclayton]

As a starter and main player, like Sacramento has wanted him to be at times in his stint there, this could be a real problem. If we bring him off the bench for 10-15 minutes and he doesn't do much but jack up shots on decent percentage, that will pprobably work okay.

Just a word of optimism for you all: Buddy was a very good player near the end of Dave Joerger’s stint with Sacramento. Dave had Buddy under a strict role and there was a structure as to how Buddy would get his shots. Rick Carlisle is the best coach Buddy has had since Joerger (and possibly ever). If Carlisle can implement a system that gives Buddy the structure he needs, then I think Pacers fans will be happy with Buddy (and he’ll look like an asset). Fingers crossed for y’all.

I’ll be honest. My only real hope for Buddy is simply that he stretches the defense with his shooting to open the lane a bit and make it easier for some of our young guys to develop. We were just getting so packed in the paint for a long time that it was making everything tougher.

I think he should be able to do that quite easily, especially under the guidance of Carlisle. Buddy needs structure (i.e. hustle to the open spots; consistently navigate screens) to use his gravity efficiently and to be successful. Once his leash is loosened, he starts to become myopic and play nonsensically selfish. I don’t even know if he knows it’s selfish. When he was under Joerger, he was able to navigate around screens and see where he needed to go. That pulled the defenses toward him and opened up opportunities for the rest of the team. When Walton took over, Buddy started playing on-ball more in a very loose offense. His shooting prowess made him think he was supposed to be the shooter at most times. His habits got worse and worse, which led to some seriously selfish and dumb play.

I mention all of that to say that there is hope for Buddy to contribute to the Pacers. It all depends on (1) Carlisle’s scheme and strictness, and (2) Buddy’s willingness to buy in. If both of those things are favorable, then I think Buddy looks good and, most importantly, the development of Indiana’s prospects improves with him on the court.

[El Hespiritu]

I just realized it now tho Wizop called it first: This thread's title is a typo.

Minor issue. I just thought it's a nice metaphore.

'Til Carlisland fully establish this Indianos' New Deal Of Basketball and players get used to play it, won't really matter how good or bad our opponents are.

We'll be playing against us.

A new Late Pre Season: time to concrete a new basic rotation, to figure things out, to modify the roles at court and (not less important) into the locker-room, to run new systems, to entirely change the defensive basic scheme...

...and time to focus on the key and foundational aspect at this moment:

Get used to this Flash-Point Event new pace and rhythm on the spot, with no Training Camp to practise it.



I foresee it will be funny.

When working will be funny in a Bball way: we will display a heck of a show.
When not working will be funny in a Troll way: we will display a heck of a show.