The New Improved 2021-2022 Trade/Offseason Thread

[psimanic1]

It's really getting frustrating that Nuggets can't really count on trades - not sure if that's just on the front office being too conservative or few really want to play in Denver

They nailed it with the Gordon trade (though it helped that Gordon really wanted to come), other than that, I really struggle to remember any good trade in the last 5 years or so, anyone good pretty much came through the draft, Millsap was FA if I'm not mistaken, other than that it's whole lotta of nothing, minor trades and lateral moves

I think the entire roster set up perfectly for trades. And then what might be only answer to why they couldn’t get it done was the crazy amount of backcourt injuries. PJ Dozier, MPJ and Cancar all in addition Murray shelved - I wanted Monte Morris and Barton traded badly. Maybe they just couldn’t. Depth wise and not getting right value


I thought Monte Morris would gain huge value first half of this year. And he just didn’t. Bones will pass him by and he goes from last few years being top couple backup pgs to kind of expensive 3rd pg.


Monte Morris and Barton for a Bogdanovic or Brogdon or such would have been and then this off-season will be the ideal situation. Derrick white went for for more than Nugs could have added.

Prob stuck on those two. SG has to be hit in the draft. Always believe there’s sweet spots position wise and draft range wise. Nugs have a great draft to catch or hopefully move up for great sg/sf this year.
Mathurin
Dyson Daniels
Bea champ
Kendall Brown

Only real trade assets Nuggets had were Facu and Jm Green, we cant trade our pick until draft as 2023 goes to OKC and you cant trade Morris Barton until Murray and MPJ are back. We have scoring issues even with them and no one would give us player that is much better than those 2 in return.

[The Rebel]

It's really getting frustrating that Nuggets can't really count on trades - not sure if that's just on the front office being too conservative or few really want to play in Denver

They nailed it with the Gordon trade (though it helped that Gordon really wanted to come), other than that, I really struggle to remember any good trade in the last 5 years or so, anyone good pretty much came through the draft, Millsap was FA if I'm not mistaken, other than that it's whole lotta of nothing, minor trades and lateral moves

The trading issues have long bugged me, but I think there is a huge reason it happens. I think the biggest issue when you focus on drafting and development is that you fall in love with guy's potential and then give them every chance to develop. The Spurs have been notorious for not making trades, their fans are celebrating right now that they made 2 trades after years of never making in season trades. The Raptors don't seem to make a lot of trades, and rumors are out there every year that our front office is surprised that our guys are not as valued as they should be.

Now the question is can you fix it? They obviously didn't want to give up Hampton last year, but ended up giving him up for Gordon. That is progress.

[Richard Miller]

Yea, with all the injuries, maybe it was unrealistic to expect any big move this year, however the next off-season, except for Murray/Jokic/MPJ/Gordon and Bones, I hope they shop everybody else

[skywalker33]

It's really getting frustrating that Nuggets can't really count on trades - not sure if that's just on the front office being too conservative or few really want to play in Denver

KSE and TC have built this team through the draft, made trades where they could (always seems like we overpay IMO) so I say continue with your strength, ours isn't trades

[skywalker33]

I think the entire roster set up perfectly for trades.

Curious as to why would you say this. Our roster has 4 core players (Jokic, Murray, MPJ and Gordon) that won't be traded; a couple of role players (Morris, Barton, and Jeff Green) that the FO has overvalued and probably won't return huge value IMO; two late-round 1sts (Nnaji and Bones) again which the FO have fallen in love with (both do show some promise, I don't want to trade either unless it's for another core player); and the rest of the roster seems to hold neutral or negative trade value.

And then what might be only answer to why they couldn’t get it done was the crazy amount of backcourt injuries. PJ Dozier, MPJ and Cancar all in addition Murray shelved - I wanted Monte Morris and Barton traded badly. Maybe they just couldn’t. Depth wise and not getting right value

Trading Morris and Barton before the deadline would've been foolish, until Murray gets back they are our two best guards, helping us stay afloat in the WC playoff race. I wouldn't mind trying to rid ourselves of Barton this offseason, but he seems to be one of Malone's/TC's favorites. I have no idea why, he has some talent but always puts his ego before this team, I don't get the loyalty.

I thought Monte Morris would gain huge value first half of this year. And he just didn’t. Bones will pass him by and he goes from last few years being top couple backup pgs to kind of expensive 3rd pg.

I agree Bones will eventually replace Morris, but I feel Morris does have some trade value around the league

Monte Morris and Barton for a Bogdanovic or Brogdon or such would have been and then this off-season will be the ideal situation. Derrick white went for more than Nugs could have added.

Each of White, Brogdan and Bogdanovich are better than the combined value of Morris and Barton and we really can't add draft picks to any deal. For this team, we still just need to get healthy to see what we have here.

Prob stuck on those two. SG has to be hit in the draft. Always believe there’s sweet spots position wise and draft range wise. Nugs have a great draft to catch or hopefully move up for great sg/sf this year.
Mathurin
Dyson Daniels
Beauchamp
Kendall Brown

I'm leaning towards a SG too but I feel both Brown and Mathurin are lottery picks and gonna be out of reach without a trade-up. Don't know enough about Daniels or Beauchamp (like their size, something we can use in the backcourt) but they seem to be more in our current draft range.

[skywalker33]

The trading issues have long bugged me, but I think there is a huge reason it happens. I think the biggest issue when you focus on drafting and development is that you fall in love with guy's potential and then give them every chance to develop. The Spurs have been notorious for not making trades, their fans are celebrating right now that they made 2 trades after years of never making in season trades. The Raptors don't seem to make a lot of trades, and rumors are out there every year that our front office is surprised that our guys are not as valued as they should be.

Now the question is can you fix it? They obviously didn't want to give up Hampton last year, but ended up giving him up for Gordon. That is progress.

I agree with Richard on the Gordon trade, homerun there. But on the whole, I've always found the trade deadline to be more hype than substance, all too often it's about role players, especially for the Nuggets but that's where we are at right now.

As for our FO falling in love with our players, drafted or not........ NAILED IT

[DaFan334]

Nuggets are 7-0 with Boogie in the lineup. While he hasn't been incredibly impressive, he definitely seems to help the second unit quite a bit and minimizes the gap of being without Jokic on the floor. It sounds like he will probably get a season contract next

[skywalker33]

Nuggets are 7-0 with Boogie in the lineup. While he hasn't been incredibly impressive, he definitely seems to help the second unit quite a bit and minimizes the gap of being without Jokic on the floor. It sounds like he will probably get a season contract next

He brings toughness as well, I hope he gets signed to a 2-3 year contract he looks good for this team

[Manolito]

What do you think about trading for Lou Dort? He is a young lockdown defender with some PO experience (I know 33% 3P). He should sign a new contract this season (otherwise he becomes UFA) and he can get up to 56Mx4.

That means he matches Barton's salary. I would gladly offer Barton + 2022 FRP + SRP for him. I don't think he is really in OKC's long term plans, SGA + Giddey + Dort are all poor to regular 3pt shooters

[TunaFish]

What do you think about trading for Lou Dort? He is a young lockdown defender with some PO experience (I know 33% 3P). He should sign a new contract this season (otherwise he becomes UFA) and he can get up to 56Mx4.

That means he matches Barton's salary. I would gladly offer Barton + 2022 FRP + SRP for him. I don't think he is really in OKC's long term plans, SGA + Giddey + Dort are all poor to regular 3pt shooters

Dort is an excellent defender but his outside shooting is very suspect. So suspect that I think that in Denver he would be a bench player. I doubt he can get as big a contract as you propose but I could be wrong. He reminds me more of Torrey Craig who makes 4.8 mil a year.

If there is one type of player that Denver's FO seems to like, it is a player that can hit a three consistently. Just look at their last two picks in Nnaji and Bones They always need a defender but not one who can't hit an outside shot, at least that seems to be the strategy.

Barton may have his moments of inconsistency but he is a much better shooter than Dort and he can play defense when he tries. Also, I don't think Denver should be trading any more 1st round picks unless it is for a significant upgrade.

[skywalker33]

What do you think about trading for Lou Dort? He is a young lockdown defender with some PO experience (I know 33% 3P). He should sign a new contract this season (otherwise he becomes UFA) and he can get up to 56Mx4.

That means he matches Barton's salary. I would gladly offer Barton + 2022 FRP + SRP for him. I don't think he is really in OKC's long term plans, SGA + Giddey + Dort are all poor to regular 3pt shooters

Too much to give for a 1-dimensional player. Plus we can't trade our 2022 FRP (Stepien rule) plus we've already traded all but our 2024 SRP and he's a FA after this season.....not worth it giving up that haul IMO. Doubt OKC would do this deal w/o the draft picks. I'd rather just try and sign GHarris next offseason to improve the defense. Good player that I'd like to have too but expensive for this team.

[The Rebel]

What do you think about trading for Lou Dort? He is a young lockdown defender with some PO experience (I know 33% 3P). He should sign a new contract this season (otherwise he becomes UFA) and he can get up to 56Mx4.

That means he matches Barton's salary. I would gladly offer Barton + 2022 FRP + SRP for him. I don't think he is really in OKC's long term plans, SGA + Giddey + Dort are all poor to regular 3pt shooters

Dort is an excellent defender but his outside shooting is very suspect. So suspect that I think that in Denver he would be a bench player. I doubt he can get as big a contract as you propose but I could be wrong. He reminds me more of Torrey Craig who makes 4.8 mil a year.

If there is one type of player that Denver's FO seems to like, it is a player that can hit a three consistently. Just look at their last two picks in Nnaji and Bones They always need a defender but not one who can't hit an outside shot, at least that seems to be the strategy.

Barton may have his moments of inconsistency but he is a much better shooter than Dort and he can play defense when he tries. Also, I don't think Denver should be trading any more 1st round picks unless it is for a significant upgrade.

The first name that popped into my head was Craig as well. While Dort is better on offense he only shoots 31.3% from 3 which is worse than Craig shot his last year in Denver.

FAct is Dort is also overrated on defense, while he is good, he is not all defensive team good, and PJ Dozier has statistically been a better defender the last 2 years and a considerably better spot up shooter.

The question I ask myself is if Dort ability to create for himself is worth 2 picks as his defense and shooting isn't, and I just don't see it when we are healthy. He is a bad fit with Jokic and Murray, and it is not worth a 1st and 2nd to add a bench scorer that I agree would be overpaid.

[Richard Miller]

What do you think about trading for Lou Dort? He is a young lockdown defender with some PO experience (I know 33% 3P). He should sign a new contract this season (otherwise he becomes UFA) and he can get up to 56Mx4.

That means he matches Barton's salary. I would gladly offer Barton + 2022 FRP + SRP for him. I don't think he is really in OKC's long term plans, SGA + Giddey + Dort are all poor to regular 3pt shooters

Too early to say imo. When the season is completely finished, when they have more clarity where they stand with Jamal/MPJ, then should see who would fit best going forward. Btw:

The Denver Nuggets plan on signing DeMarcus Cousins to a contract for the remainder of the season.

Cousins was coming off his final 10-day contract and has averaged 6.1 points and 6.3 rebounds with Denver.

Cousins was previously with the Milwaukee Bucks.

[Coeur]

Monte Morris, Barton, green & green is an interesting off-season trade package. Monte esp. should have big value and a need in denver diminishing with a healthy return of Murray and then by next year being surpassed maybe by Bones Hyland- you almost have to trade Morris. I think wishfully you trade Barton, and both greens are in demand positive contract vets.

[skywalker33]

Monte Morris, Barton, green & green is an interesting off-season trade package. Monte esp. should have big value and a need in denver diminishing with a healthy return of Murray and then by next year being surpassed maybe by Bones Hyland- you almost have to trade Morris. I think wishfully you trade Barton, and both greens are in demand positive contract vets.

Agreed on Morris, while he's a premier backup here in Denver, he could start for over 1/2 the league at PG. As a starter, his asst-to TO ratio is at a premium, and would be higher if he wasn't playing with Jokic. He's shooting 39% from 3pt range for his career, so he should be able to bring back a late1st/early 2nd IMO.

I'd try and use one of the Barton and JaMychel Green to try and advance both of our picks. Love to get us a SG with some size and shooting ability (more consistent, less ego than Barton) to replace Barton and a versatile scoring forward like Patrick Baldwin Jr, Nikola Jovic or Jeremy Sochan

[skywalker33]

Looks like MPJ looking to return in March, could be a BIG boost for their playoff run.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265981/Michael-Porter-Jr-Could-Return-For-Nuggets-In-March

[The Rebel]

Monte Morris, Barton, green & green is an interesting off-season trade package. Monte esp. should have big value and a need in denver diminishing with a healthy return of Murray and then by next year being surpassed maybe by Bones Hyland- you almost have to trade Morris. I think wishfully you trade Barton, and both greens are in demand positive contract vets.

Agreed on Morris, while he's a premier backup here in Denver, he could start for over 1/2 the league at PG. As a starter, his asst-to TO ratio is at a premium, and would be higher if he wasn't playing with Jokic. He's shooting 39% from 3pt range for his career, so he should be able to bring back a late1st/early 2nd IMO.

I'd try and use one of the Barton and JaMychel Green to try and advance both of our picks. Love to get us a SG with some size and shooting ability (more consistent, less ego than Barton) to replace Barton and a versatile scoring forward like Patrick Baldwin Jr, Nikola Jovic or Jeremy Sochan

I think this year you may be right, and we are looking for picks.

The weird thing this year is that so many teams have multiple 1st round picks, and a lot of them are either rebuilding or already pretty stacked at SG.

I could see Washington (I always thought Morris was a good fit with Beal) and New York both being interested in Morris for their late lottery pick.

Would Memphis give up one of their late 1sts for Barton with Slo Mo expiring?

Could you get a decent 2nd for JayMichael Green?

The issue is going to be what we get back, but with now owning our gleague team and if we can bring back Forbes and Cousins for cheap enough, than we really only need to upgrade starting SG and add a solid bench forward. If they can grab 2 or 3 rookie contracts than it makes a ton of sense financially with our current salary structure.

[The Rebel]

Nuggets out Morris and Jaymichael Green to Knicks for Walker, Reddish, pick #10 overall, cash

Knicks get a solid starting PG that can play off the ball for RJ and Randle can both have the ball in their hands more.


Nuggets trade Barton to Washington for Caldwell Pope and a future 2nd round pick

The Wizards solidify their starting SF position with a guy who can play on or off the ball depending on needs of the team, and can also defend well when locked in.


If we re-sign Forbes for about $4.5 million, re-sign Cousins for a full year minimum deal, re-sign Reed, and buyout Kemba Walker for $7 million (current deal minus a minimum) that leaves us with

Murray/ Bones/
KCP/ Forbes
Gordon/Reddish/ Reed
MPJ/ Jeff G/ Nnaji
Jokic/ Cousins

We would also have picks 10 & 20, to draft a young SG and a young forward or Center. Maybe buy a 2nd and draft a 2nd round project PG to develop on a 2 way deal.

[Manolito]

I can't see a contender paying luxury tax drafting two rookies (one top10).
I can't see the Nuggets trading away Monte, he is too important, a life insurance in case Murray sets back with extremely friendly contract (and I can't see the Knicks trading away a top10 pick for him).
I am far away from being a Barton fan, but I don't trade him for KCP for the sake of a SRP.
I can't see the Nuggets trading for an expiring rookie they can't pay (Redish).
I can't see the Nuggets waiving or stretching 7M from Kemba when championship window is fully open.

I would trade Barton + 2022 FRP for Lou Dort (45Mx3).
I would offer Gary Harris T-MLE and a minimum contract to Dozier as backup SF.
I would find a destination for Jamychal without adding a SRP.
I would renew Forbes at a reasonable price (same as his current salary), otherwise pick Rivers for the minimum.

This roster has exactly same cost as the one above.
Murray, Morris, Bones
Dort, Gary Harris, Forbes/Rivers
Gordon, Dozier, Reed
MPJ, Nnaji, Jeff Green
Jokic, Cousins, whoever minimum guy

[Richard Miller]

I can't see a contender paying luxury tax drafting two rookies (one top10).
I can't see the Nuggets trading away Monte, he is too important, a life insurance in case Murray sets back with extremely friendly contract (and I can't see the Knicks trading away a top10 pick for him).
I am far away from being a Barton fan, but I don't trade him for KCP for the sake of a SRP.
I can't see the Nuggets trading for an expiring rookie they can't pay (Redish).

This absolutely. Monte isn't going anywhere and certainly not for some Knicks throwaways, not that the Knicks would trade their FRP anyway. SRPs have close to zero value to the team that has championship aspirations and KCP is certainly not the answer to anything.

I would trade Barton + 2022 FRP for Lou Dort (45Mx3).
I would offer Gary Harris T-MLE and a minimum contract to Dozier as backup SF.
I would find a destination for Jamychal without adding a SRP.
I would renew Forbes at a reasonable price (same as his current salary), otherwise pick Rivers for the minimum.

Not high on Dort, he's expensive and doesn't look like a Nuggets guy. Not sure what to think of Garris, he will probably have other destinations to chose from, dunno how much he wants to come back. If JMG keeps his current form and into the playoffs he may even stay - if the team as it is has a strong showing in the playoffs I think they will be looking to run it back with everyone finally/hopefully healthy.