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WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's

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Re: WOJ: Harden, Millsap for Simmons, Curry, Drummons, Two #1's 

Post#321 » by Jay555 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 11:50 pm

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Not true !
According to Prok , just 3 days ago they were best buddies , taking ventures in BK strip clubs and eating breakfast together :lol:
This board really needs to stop paying much attention to what he has to say. He downplayed Kyrie's vaccination issue as well, look what happened.

He is actually very knowledgeable about basketball related gameplays, tactics etc but good things ends there

I enjoy reading his postgame reports, and mostly i agree with them

Hot takes and stubbornness ( Kyrie and Harden best buddies the day before a trade , Claxton supermarket, wouldn’t trade Harden for whatever) it’s another spectrum of idiocy on par with flat earth


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Post#322 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:04 am

zimpy27 wrote:I don't think Philly win a championship with Harden and Embiid. I think it's more likely that the Clippers get frustrated with Harden launching 3s and some problems arise in the battle to be team leader between Embiid and Harden.

I also think Simmons will fit really well with Irving and Durant. He's low usage was a problem on Philly as the guys with FGA more than him were collectively taking 48 FGA per game, whereas on the Nets it will be 70 FGA per game (without considering Harris). That takes a lot more pressure off him. Plus the spacing is far better for him. I have Nets as favourite this year.


I don't know if Harden and Embiid will work either. Just based on how Harden's ball dominant style is and how this year, the way he plays grinds things to a halt. I could be wrong though.
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Post#323 » by NyCeEvO » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:17 am

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I see it similarly. I saw someone say that the best thing the nets accomplished was diversifying and I agree with that entirely. they didn't need to open a championship window they needed to reinforce the one already open and make it a little less volatile. I think it's a big win for the nets to add 2 years of Curry and 4 of Simmons, plus whatever they do with the picks, but i'd also agree it's hard for it to not be a bigger win for a team that probably went from not having a championship window to having one now.

i do think there are valid concerns re: what harden is at this point. last year he was intentionally out of shape and still looked a lot better than he has at any time this year. beyond the nets situation he has clearly been frustrated with how the game is getting called now and his lack of FT. but for Embiid the time is now and you would think there will be a honeymoon period where Harden is on his best behavior like he was with the nets last year.

I have no problem with us trading Harden, especially given his current form. And I agree that there certainly are benefits to having a more balanced team. However, if Harden wins a title with Philly, it’ll be a terrible look for Marks. He’s turned a division rival into a firm contender. He better pray it doesn’t work out for Philly.


not sure i agree. it would have been a hell of a bigger screw up if Harden declined his option and left for nothing or a lot less than they got. or if he was prepared to go even more awol tanking the season.

I don’t think Harden would tank a season. IMO, the likelihood of Harden leaving depended on Kyrie’s availability. If the mandates were to be lifted before or during the playoffs and we’re able to run out a Big 3 full-time, our odds to win dramatically improve. We’d probably favorites again next year and if Nash happened to be the reason for our downfall, the Big 3 would just tell Marks to let him go.


we can question whether it was wise to make the harden deal in the first place (either argument is fair).
we can also debate Simmons + Curry + picks vs. Allen + Levert + more picks (again either argument is fair).

i don't think anyone can argue that Harden created 2 ridiculous situations the nets had to contend with - demanding for trades to and from in the span of 13 months while under contract.

I’d trade for Harden 100 times out of 100.

– Dinwiddie was returning from an ACL, but looked like he was going to leave for free agency anyway.
– Levert is my guy, but he was very injury prone.
– Kyrie was very injury prone.
– Allen is great, but was never going to be as impactful as Harden (and I doubt he’ll even reach what Simmons has already become).

Harden was the ironman superstar who would provide insurance for injury-prone ballhandlers.

I don’t regret for trading for Harden and giving up our assets. Even though I wish he was more mature and patient about the situation, the biggest detriment to our success (outside of Nash) was Kyrie’s unavailability for home games due to the mandate. If the mandate allowed unvaccinated NYC players to play as it inexplicably does for unvaccinated visiting players, we’re probably in a very different situation as a team.
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Post#324 » by zimpy27 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:24 am

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zimpy27 wrote:I don't think Philly win a championship with Harden and Embiid. I think it's more likely that the Clippers get frustrated with Harden launching 3s and some problems arise in the battle to be team leader between Embiid and Harden.

I also think Simmons will fit really well with Irving and Durant. He's low usage was a problem on Philly as the guys with FGA more than him were collectively taking 48 FGA per game, whereas on the Nets it will be 70 FGA per game (without considering Harris). That takes a lot more pressure off him. Plus the spacing is far better for him. I have Nets as favourite this year.
Nets are in free fall at the moment, with the status of multiple key players uncertain (Simmons, Kyrie, KD, Joe). That's before adding the fact that we have an unbalanced roster with too many center options (yet none of those options ideal for starting next to Simmons), and a lack of quality starting guard next to Kyrie (Seth & Patty too undersized in that backcourt, Joe probably better but still a sluggish defender, and who knows if he even returns this season). I have very low expectations this season, there's a slim chance that everything goes right for us post all star break (we get everyone back, mandate is dropped), but odds are against us for this season.


Simmons will play after ASB, Joe looks unlikely and I'm assuming he's out, Kyrie will play away games until further notice, KD will be back some time after the ASB.

Given Kyrie's status it helps Nets to be in the bottom ranks of the playoffs.

This is your team with Durant and Simmons back:
Curry, Kyrie, Simmons, Durant, LMA -- Mills, Brown, Thomas, Griffin, Drummond -- Carter, Harris, Kessler, JJ, Claxton

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Post#325 » by zimpy27 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:28 am

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zimpy27 wrote:I don't think Philly win a championship with Harden and Embiid. I think it's more likely that the Clippers get frustrated with Harden launching 3s and some problems arise in the battle to be team leader between Embiid and Harden.

I also think Simmons will fit really well with Irving and Durant. He's low usage was a problem on Philly as the guys with FGA more than him were collectively taking 48 FGA per game, whereas on the Nets it will be 70 FGA per game (without considering Harris). That takes a lot more pressure off him. Plus the spacing is far better for him. I have Nets as favourite this year.


I don't know if Harden and Embiid will work either. Just based on how Harden's ball dominant style is and how this year, the way he plays grinds things to a halt. I could be wrong though.


I think when it works they will be riding high, but when it starts to fail or some adversity hits it could become bad quite quickly. I don't think their personalities will mesh during struggles.
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Post#326 » by Jay555 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 am

I want the Nets to meet Bucks in the first round and then the 76ers after that. Would be sweet.
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Post#327 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:31 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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zimpy27 wrote:I don't think Philly win a championship with Harden and Embiid. I think it's more likely that the Clippers get frustrated with Harden launching 3s and some problems arise in the battle to be team leader between Embiid and Harden.

I also think Simmons will fit really well with Irving and Durant. He's low usage was a problem on Philly as the guys with FGA more than him were collectively taking 48 FGA per game, whereas on the Nets it will be 70 FGA per game (without considering Harris). That takes a lot more pressure off him. Plus the spacing is far better for him. I have Nets as favourite this year.
Nets are in free fall at the moment, with the status of multiple key players uncertain (Simmons, Kyrie, KD, Joe). That's before adding the fact that we have an unbalanced roster with too many center options (yet none of those options ideal for starting next to Simmons), and a lack of quality starting guard next to Kyrie (Seth & Patty too undersized in that backcourt, Joe probably better but still a sluggish defender, and who knows if he even returns this season). I have very low expectations this season, there's a slim chance that everything goes right for us post all star break (we get everyone back, mandate is dropped), but odds are against us for this season.


Simmons will play after ASB, Joe looks unlikely and I'm assuming he's out, Kyrie will play away games until further notice, KD will be back some time after the ASB.

Given Kyrie's status it helps Nets to be in the bottom ranks of the playoffs.

This is your team with Durant and Simmons back:
Curry, Kyrie, Simmons, Durant, Griffin -- Mills, Brown, Thomas, JJ, Drummond

Brown replaces Kyrie in starting lineup for home games.


Hopefully we will see an adjustment to the mandate soon, the Nets seem to be signaling that they know something is about to change.

Regarding Brown, I've lost all faith in him this year and would rather play our 3 + D rookie Edwards over him in the rotation.

We can't have Ben out there with non shooters in the backcourt.

If we can get Kyrie full time, and Harris back by April, I really like our chances.
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Post#330 » by Netaman » Sun Feb 13, 2022 12:54 am

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I don’t regret for trading for Harden and giving up our assets. Even though I wish he was more mature and patient about the situation, the biggest detriment to our success (outside of Nash) was Kyrie’s unavailability for home games due to the mandate. If the mandate allowed unvaccinated NYC players to play as it inexplicably does for unvaccinated visiting players, we’re probably in a very different situation as a team.


completely agree about trading for harden.

disagree that it's all on kyrie (and i say that as someone who would have been willing to trade Kyrie for Simmons at the beginning of the year).

harden showed up out of shape. that had nothing to do with the vax. he willingly set off this losing streak and if he didn't get his trade who knows what he would have done.

my 2 cents - i think most of harden's frustration comes from his own performance issues this year. when they were winning and kd was healthy it was still obviously there but i guess it was manageable. when KD went down and harden's issues kept getting more obvious he got desperate for a way out. he just started acting out more. i would be surprised if he can just flip a performance switch the way he did last year upon arrival in bklyn.
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Post#331 » by Netaman » Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:11 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
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NyCeEvO wrote:I have no problem with us trading Harden, especially given his current form. And I agree that there certainly are benefits to having a more balanced team. However, if Harden wins a title with Philly, it’ll be a terrible look for Marks. He’s turned a division rival into a firm contender. He better pray it doesn’t work out for Philly.



here's a really good article from Amick - bottomline in all of it is that there may have been other factors but Harden is the reason this all happened.

https://theathletic.com/3124556/2022/02/11/nets-sixers-trade-the-cautionary-tale-of-james-harden-getting-what-the-beard-wants-nicks-and-all/
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Post#332 » by zimpy27 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 1:50 am

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DarkXaero wrote:Nets are in free fall at the moment, with the status of multiple key players uncertain (Simmons, Kyrie, KD, Joe). That's before adding the fact that we have an unbalanced roster with too many center options (yet none of those options ideal for starting next to Simmons), and a lack of quality starting guard next to Kyrie (Seth & Patty too undersized in that backcourt, Joe probably better but still a sluggish defender, and who knows if he even returns this season). I have very low expectations this season, there's a slim chance that everything goes right for us post all star break (we get everyone back, mandate is dropped), but odds are against us for this season.


Simmons will play after ASB, Joe looks unlikely and I'm assuming he's out, Kyrie will play away games until further notice, KD will be back some time after the ASB.

Given Kyrie's status it helps Nets to be in the bottom ranks of the playoffs.

This is your team with Durant and Simmons back:
Curry, Kyrie, Simmons, Durant, Griffin -- Mills, Brown, Thomas, JJ, Drummond

Brown replaces Kyrie in starting lineup for home games.


Hopefully we will see an adjustment to the mandate soon, the Nets seem to be signaling that they know something is about to change.

Regarding Brown, I've lost all faith in him this year and would rather play our 3 + D rookie Edwards over him in the rotation.

We can't have Ben out there with non shooters in the backcourt.

If we can get Kyrie full time, and Harris back by April, I really like our chances.


Well your main 8 guys are: Durant, Kyrie, Simmons, Drummond, LMA, Griffin, Curry, Mills
All have decent impact stats..

Brown, Edwards, Carter, JJ, Thomas are all kind of poor on impact stats but you need one of these guys to step up, for rest of the season it will be interesting to see who will work with Simmons the best.
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Post#333 » by _Und3r][D4wg_ » Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:43 am

When did this happen? Does this fit the timeline when Harden started to sour on Kyrie and the team?
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Post#334 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:33 am

_Und3r][D4wg_ wrote:When did this happen? Does this fit the timeline when Harden started to sour on Kyrie and the team?
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Post#335 » by Jay555 » Sun Feb 13, 2022 3:47 am

_Und3r][D4wg_ wrote:When did this happen? Does this fit the timeline when Harden started to sour on Kyrie and the team?
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Post#336 » by DarkXaero » Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:45 pm

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_Und3r][D4wg_ wrote:When did this happen? Does this fit the timeline when Harden started to sour on Kyrie and the team?
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Eh. This sounds like gossip.
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Post#337 » by DarkXaero » Sun Feb 13, 2022 8:54 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:I don't think Philly win a championship with Harden and Embiid. I think it's more likely that the Clippers get frustrated with Harden launching 3s and some problems arise in the battle to be team leader between Embiid and Harden.

I also think Simmons will fit really well with Irving and Durant. He's low usage was a problem on Philly as the guys with FGA more than him were collectively taking 48 FGA per game, whereas on the Nets it will be 70 FGA per game (without considering Harris). That takes a lot more pressure off him. Plus the spacing is far better for him. I have Nets as favourite this year.
Nets are in free fall at the moment, with the status of multiple key players uncertain (Simmons, Kyrie, KD, Joe). That's before adding the fact that we have an unbalanced roster with too many center options (yet none of those options ideal for starting next to Simmons), and a lack of quality starting guard next to Kyrie (Seth & Patty too undersized in that backcourt, Joe probably better but still a sluggish defender, and who knows if he even returns this season). I have very low expectations this season, there's a slim chance that everything goes right for us post all star break (we get everyone back, mandate is dropped), but odds are against us for this season.


Simmons will play after ASB, Joe looks unlikely and I'm assuming he's out, Kyrie will play away games until further notice, KD will be back some time after the ASB.

Given Kyrie's status it helps Nets to be in the bottom ranks of the playoffs.

This is your team with Durant and Simmons back:
Curry, Kyrie, Simmons, Durant, LMA -- Mills, Brown, Thomas, Griffin, Drummond -- Carter, Harris, Kessler, JJ, Claxton

Brown replaces Kyrie in starting lineup for home games.
Brown :lol: Guy is not good enough for a NBA playoff team rotation anymore. In fact, majority of the guys in Nets rotation right now are not good enough to be in the rotation. Either way, a lot to figure out and get right before we have a shot in playoffs.
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Post#338 » by DarkXaero » Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:33 pm

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
Not true !
According to Prok , just 3 days ago they were best buddies , taking ventures in BK strip clubs and eating breakfast together :lol:
This board really needs to stop paying much attention to what he has to say. He downplayed Kyrie's vaccination issue as well, look what happened.

He is actually very knowledgeable about basketball related gameplays, tactics etc but good things ends there

I enjoy reading his postgame reports, and mostly i agree with them

Hot takes and stubbornness ( Kyrie and Harden best buddies the day before a trade , Claxton supermarket, wouldn’t trade Harden for whatever) it’s another spectrum of idiocy on par with flat earth
Not as knowledgeable as he thinks he is. But it's as you say, he loves his garbage hot takes and stubbornness too much, and when someone is that unreasonable, you should not be putting much stock into what they have to say.
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Post#339 » by NetsWorld » Sun Feb 13, 2022 9:51 pm

DarkXaero wrote:
ArksNetsSince99 wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:This board really needs to stop paying much attention to what he has to say. He downplayed Kyrie's vaccination issue as well, look what happened.

He is actually very knowledgeable about basketball related gameplays, tactics etc but good things ends there

I enjoy reading his postgame reports, and mostly i agree with them

Hot takes and stubbornness ( Kyrie and Harden best buddies the day before a trade , Claxton supermarket, wouldn’t trade Harden for whatever) it’s another spectrum of idiocy on par with flat earth
Not as knowledgeable as he thinks he is. But it's as you say, he loves his garbage hot takes and stubbornness too much, and when someone is that unreasonable, you should not be putting much stock into what they have to say.



Considering how much the team suffered, they should have cut him and saved themselves the headache. It sucks but It affected team chemistry. He’s not getting traded and the team is hamstrung; I don’t care what KD wants and doesn’t want, they should have traded him too so they can get rid of Kyrie and just start over. The team has suffered enough.
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Post#340 » by Prokorov » Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:45 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Simmons will play after ASB, Joe looks unlikely and I'm assuming he's out, Kyrie will play away games until further notice, KD will be back some time after the ASB.

Given Kyrie's status it helps Nets to be in the bottom ranks of the playoffs.

This is your team with Durant and Simmons back:
Curry, Kyrie, Simmons, Durant, Griffin -- Mills, Brown, Thomas, JJ, Drummond

Brown replaces Kyrie in starting lineup for home games.


Hopefully we will see an adjustment to the mandate soon, the Nets seem to be signaling that they know something is about to change.

Regarding Brown, I've lost all faith in him this year and would rather play our 3 + D rookie Edwards over him in the rotation.

We can't have Ben out there with non shooters in the backcourt.

If we can get Kyrie full time, and Harris back by April, I really like our chances.


Well your main 8 guys are: Durant, Kyrie, Simmons, Drummond, LMA, Griffin, Curry, Mills
All have decent impact stats..

Brown, Edwards, Carter, JJ, Thomas are all kind of poor on impact stats but you need one of these guys to step up, for rest of the season it will be interesting to see who will work with Simmons the best.


Edwards is a positive... issue is his playing time began when it was just a tanking/injured harden or 0 stars with harden sitting out.

Edwards has been fantastic

the bembry move F'd us a bit

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