Who would you prefer on your team ? Coby or Ayo?

[PaKii94]

Since ayo has been starting:

Ayo: 64%TS, +6 net rating, 4 ast/to ratio and legit defense

In the same time frame, Coby:
55%TS, -11 net rating, 2.2 ast/to ratio (much better than his starting value) and poor defense

It's pretty obvious why the poll is a landslide. One is a legit PG who is actually helping the team win while the other is an inefficient chucker who is slowly learning basketball. But yes Coby has scored 1k points before

[babyjax13]

Look at this crap defending an 11 PER player.
Talk about dreadful efficiency , my dude.
This is what really agitates me about this group .
It’s so much glass house syndrome .
As we speak Cobe has outscored ANO playing 300 less minutes . So the scoring on volume and just being a more efficient player using PER which is an efficiency rating .

Also I’ve used per 36 to show cobe is more productive . The fact is the vitriol that comes from the ANO apologist and their cobe hate is so polarizing you would think the bulls hadn’t squandered the 1st seed recently . This isn’t all about cobe, it’s their last bastion to deflect he has been a tank commander vs .500 while PROVIDING NOTHING OF VALUE AND COULD BE REPLACED BY PRACTICALLY anybody on the roster . Cobe happens to be collateral damage .

This is the same type of reaction you would get if I slandered somebody like Caruso . It’s the media circus kids that warrant this type of gung ho swarm of apologist . Also revisionist history , an absolute lack of accountability regarding the point in question which is trash starts vs .500 teams.
Btw I don’t care he went to Illinois or whatever weird fan accommodations .
He is an 11 PER player you can get that anywhere so I think these apologist need to get their mind right .
If I wanted to trash Vuc or Zach or even derozan I would probably have an army behind me. Not for Ayo or Caruso though . They are untouchable . It’s sad.

Sure. I can't take anything you say seriously until you get COBY'S name right.... And even if you did, most of it is nonsense anyway.

Coby is a nickname and I chose to spell it the way I like . Youre not his mom so get over it.

Player/BPM/RAPTOR/EPM
Dosunmu/-1.7/-2.1/-2.0
White/-2.5/-3.0/-3.2

Dosunmu is the better player. Both are negative impact players over the course of the season, but this is true of almost all rookies except the most transcendent. Dosunmu is having a lot of promising moments while struggling through rookie mistakes - but even considering that - is a better player than White at this moment.

[bearadonisdna]

Since ayo has been starting:

Ayo: 64%TS, +6 net rating, 4 ast/to ratio and legit defense

In the same time frame, Coby:
55%TS, -11 net rating, 2.2 ast/to ratio (much better than his starting value) and poor defense

It's pretty obvious why the poll is a landslide. One is a legit PG who is actually helping the team win while the other is an inefficient chucker who is slowly learning basketball. But yes Coby has scored 1k points before

Last night ayo finally didn’t crap the bed be a .500 team , when is the parade again ?
Including last night 3-7 in starts vs .500 teams with at least 6 horrid performances but you say help the team win . It’s complete fallacy . It’s about a higher standard not scheduling parades for bum hunting .

[DxC17]

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to me this is interesting info and a reason why we struggle offensively with lonzo though he can stuff the stat sheet. opens my eyes to matt thomas , mckinnie as guys who can have expanded roles.

This gem came from the OP.

I don't take their basketball opinions seriously. He has become something like a caricature of himself.

Man there's no way that's actually a serious thought someone had. I can't stop laughing.

[bearadonisdna]

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to me this is interesting info and a reason why we struggle offensively with lonzo though he can stuff the stat sheet. opens my eyes to matt thomas , mckinnie as guys who can have expanded roles.

This gem came from the OP.

I don't take their basketball opinions seriously. He has become something like a caricature of himself.

Man there's no way that's actually a serious thought someone had. I can't stop laughing.

Lol I’m rent free on those dudes. Again the bulls have a stable of pointguards that ALL have higher turnover % than their usage .

And the that board and their acolytes are the braintrust that endorsed Satoranski tanking their season . Until he was so bad he has to be benched again .
Its really been a toxic forum since the drose comeback debates . They trash the teams best players while celebrating mediocrity .

[DxC17]

This is why Coby keeps falling asleep on back door cuts on defense. He's too busy posting on RealGM at practice.

[FreeThrowLine]

I like White, but I can understand why some people wouldn't, if his shot isn't falling then he's limited in what else he can give you

I like Dosunmu, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't. Let's forget his draft position for a moment and just look at his game. Isn't 3 & D one of the more desirable combinations in the current NBA? Well he's knocking down the 3 at over 40% and he's taken over 100 so that's a decent enough sample, plus quite a few have come at key moments, so he's not just out there taking them when the game is already decided.

Defensively he's mature beyond his years, he still has a way to go, but man he's had some very impressive moments on the defensive end.

What I like most though is his composure and how he seems to always be looking for the cutter when he drives the ball. So much of the game today is guys driving into the paint and kicking it back out, you rarely see guys cutting to the basket compared to years past. Of course having someone like Green on the team helps as those two seem to have a good connection with Green looking for those openings and Dosunmu seems to find him quite a bit. With defenses so focused on defending the 3, there are 'easy' baskets to be had each game if players will commit to cutting with purpose and Ayo does a great job looking for them, not just the shooters

[bearadonisdna]

This is why Coby keeps falling asleep on back door cuts on defense. He's too busy posting on RealGM at practice.

Again 11 PER
When is the parade for the steal of the draft !

He is playing at home , at another venue he is probably less than that . Haha .

[bearadonisdna]

I like White, but I can understand why some people wouldn't, if his shot isn't falling then he's limited in what else he can give you

I like Dosunmu, I can't understand why anyone wouldn't. Let's forget his draft position for a moment and just look at his game. Isn't 3 & D one of the more desirable combinations in the current NBA? Well he's knocking down the 3 at over 40% and he's taken over 100 so that's a decent enough sample, plus quite a few have come at key moments, so he's not just out there taking them when the game is already decided.

Defensively he's mature beyond his years, he still has a way to go, but man he's had some very impressive moments on the defensive end.

What I like most though is his composure and how he seems to always be looking for the cutter when he drives the ball. So much of the game today is guys driving into the paint and kicking it back out, you rarely see guys cutting to the basket compared to years past. Of course having someone like Green on the team helps as those two seem to have a good connection with Green looking for those openings and Dosunmu seems to find him quite a bit. With defenses so focused on defending the 3, there are 'easy' baskets to be had each game if players will commit to cutting with purpose and Ayo does a great job looking for them, not just the shooters

Look I think the kid is fine , do I want him running my contending team no.
Can he discussed on a basketball board yes.
It’s his fans who are kind of toxic and polarizing.

[PaKii94]

Since ayo has been starting:

Ayo: 64%TS, +6 net rating, 4 ast/to ratio and legit defense

In the same time frame, Coby:
55%TS, -11 net rating, 2.2 ast/to ratio (much better than his starting value) and poor defense

It's pretty obvious why the poll is a landslide. One is a legit PG who is actually helping the team win while the other is an inefficient chucker who is slowly learning basketball. But yes Coby has scored 1k points before

Last night ayo finally didn’t crap the bed be a .500 team , when is the parade again ?
Including last night 3-7 in starts vs .500 teams with at least 6 horrid performances but you say help the team win . It’s complete fallacy . It’s about a higher standard not scheduling parades for bum hunting .

Weren't the bulls like 1-30 Vs .500 teams with Coby starting last year?

[bearadonisdna]

Since ayo has been starting:

Ayo: 64%TS, +6 net rating, 4 ast/to ratio and legit defense

In the same time frame, Coby:
55%TS, -11 net rating, 2.2 ast/to ratio (much better than his starting value) and poor defense

It's pretty obvious why the poll is a landslide. One is a legit PG who is actually helping the team win while the other is an inefficient chucker who is slowly learning basketball. But yes Coby has scored 1k points before

Last night ayo finally didn’t crap the bed be a .500 team , when is the parade again ?
Including last night 3-7 in starts vs .500 teams with at least 6 horrid performances but you say help the team win . It’s complete fallacy . It’s about a higher standard not scheduling parades for bum hunting .

Weren't the bulls like 1-30 Vs .500 teams with Coby starting last year?

Cobe was an 16.6 ppg player as a starter last year so don’t even bring it up .

[azcatz11]

Voted Ayo just to spite the OP

[PaKii94]

Last night ayo finally didn’t crap the bed be a .500 team , when is the parade again ?
Including last night 3-7 in starts vs .500 teams with at least 6 horrid performances but you say help the team win . It’s complete fallacy . It’s about a higher standard not scheduling parades for bum hunting .

Weren't the bulls like 1-30 Vs .500 teams with Coby starting last year?

Cobe was an 16.6 ppg player as a starter last year so don’t even bring it up .

Lmaoooo no we will bring up coby's record against .500 teams because that seems like your only point against ayo... And that 16.6ppg as a starter....on 55%TS. Below league average. Aka hurting the team

[PaKii94]

Weren't the bulls like 1-30 Vs .500 teams with Coby starting last year?

Cobe was an 16.6 ppg player as a starter last year so don’t even bring it up .

Lmaoooo no we will bring up coby's record against .500 teams because that seems like your only point against ayo... And that 16.6ppg as a starter....on 55%TS. Below league average. Aka hurting the team

And a 2.3 ast/to as a starter pg. Not good. This doesn't even include the possession that he stumbled through like a headless chicken which should count as lost possessions

[bearadonisdna]

Voted Ayo just to spite the OP

It’s ok it doesn’t matter . It doesn’t spite me. Bulls fans been accepting terrible basketball from Donovan and when I call it out I’m a troll . But those are same dude with no basketball acumen toting the sheepish board narrative .

Anybody else think Billy coaching is cool? You want him in your team? Probably only the nets would swap him out among contenders but you call this dude out they say your just a troll . Who tf is a troll ?, they are so BRAINLESS they can’t comprehend my narrative is for the team to win .

[bearadonisdna]

Cobe was an 16.6 ppg player as a starter last year so don’t even bring it up .

Lmaoooo no we will bring up coby's record against .500 teams because that seems like your only point against ayo... And that 16.6ppg as a starter....on 55%TS. Below league average. Aka hurting the team

And a 2.3 ast/to as a starter pg. Not good.

Isn’t 11 PER also way low below average . And worse than cobe. You have no defense here man keep it moving .

[PaKii94]

Lmaoooo no we will bring up coby's record against .500 teams because that seems like your only point against ayo... And that 16.6ppg as a starter....on 55%TS. Below league average. Aka hurting the team

And a 2.3 ast/to as a starter pg. Not good.

Isn’t 11 PER also way low below average . And worse than cobe. You have no defense here man keep it moving .

If you're using PER to make an argument (for or against) defensive players, you have already lost.

[bearadonisdna]

And a 2.3 ast/to as a starter pg. Not good.

Isn’t 11 PER also way low below average . And worse than cobe. You have no defense here man keep it moving .

If you're using PER to make an argument (for or against) defensive players, you have already lost.

No you lost . Am rent free on you loud mouth amateurs keep it moving .

[illuminati666]

I projected Ayo to be picked in the early 20's, was shocked that GMs didn't see how well his game could translate in the NBA. I think he's going to be a very solid player for years. Coby is good too, but as the poll would agree, Ayo is the better prospect right now.

[PaKii94]

Isn’t 11 PER also way low below average . And worse than cobe. You have no defense here man keep it moving .

If you're using PER to make an argument (for or against) defensive players, you have already lost.

No you lost . Am rent free on you loud mouth amateurs keep it moving .

What a great rebuttal. You provide good entertainment. I'll give you that