2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.2)

[ty 4191]

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

You might not be from the Northeast, but I am. Philly Fans have the rep of being the dumbest, most obnoxious fans in sports. Just Google "Philadelphia fans are the worst".

Here's just one article of dozens on this exact topic:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/639238-philadelphia-sports-fans-voted-worst-in-american-by-gq-magazine

Let's drop the debate on bad fans please. This thread is for MVP discussion. -b

[feyki]

Doncic probably will finish top 5 in the mvp voting. Here's Doncic's February:

36,7 PPG, 10 RPG, 10,2 APG, %60,6 TS, 122 ORTG

. Best month since Kobe 2006 February watch .

[eyeatoma]

He's been balling.

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[_NoMas]

Hoping Demar can sneak into the top 5, he has caught fire again, keeping the bulls winning with key players missing

[eyeatoma]

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

You might not be from the Northeast, but I am. Philly Fans have the rep of being the dumbest, most obnoxious fans in sports. Just Google "Philadelphia fans are the worst".

Here's just one article of dozens on this exact topic:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/639238-philadelphia-sports-fans-voted-worst-in-american-by-gq-magazine

You referenced an article from 11 years ago that talks about baseball and football. Good one.

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[Dutchball97]

I don't think Philly fans come close to being the worst fanbase in sports. I don't know why but US sports fanbases are extremely tame compared to European and South American fans.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I don't think Philly fans come close to being the worst fanbase in sports. I don't know why but US sports fanbases are extremely tame compared to European and South American fans.

LA/Bay area fans are up there with the world's worst, not in basketball but in football and baseball their rivalry across sports has led to beatings, stabbings and shootings where people are severely injured, killed or left in comas throughout the years.

[Dutchball97]

I don't think Philly fans come close to being the worst fanbase in sports. I don't know why but US sports fanbases are extremely tame compared to European and South American fans.

LA/Bay area fans are up there with the world's worst, not in basketball but in football and baseball their rivalry across sports has led to beatings, stabbings and shootings where people are severely injured, killed or left in comas throughout the years.

Yeah that sounds more like the sports culture I grew up with. On one hand there is more passion but is the violence really worth it?

[Statlanta]

You know who's the best player in the game if the player in question, is already great and still adds another wrinkle to their game. Nikola Jokic has blocked Jae'Shon Tate, Jonathan Kuminga and now OG Anunoby in the clutch and this man can barely jump over a phone book and has to play drop PnR coverage.

That's my MVP.

[scrabbarista]

Jokic, Embiid and Giannis are clearly the best players/performers this season and they are very close to eachother.
The 4th is so far away from them it doesn't really matter at this point.
It will be a slaughter in the last 1/3 of the season.

Health, seed and massive performances in the remaining games will decide the winner but I don't think we will have a near unanimous winner this season for a change no matter what. Amazing MVP race!

All three have been amazing. Jokic is still my pick as of now.

Your privilege of being a 76ers fan is in danger...

Nuggs are my favorite team. 76ers are my protest team. I grew up a Rockets' fan, but I watched Fertitta systematically annihilate a contending roster from the first day he took ownership of the team, and the day Morey left was the day I changed my RGM logo.

So, "It's complicated."

But, frankly, I had an MVP Formula on here for a while, and if I still had it, I'm pretty sure Jokic would be leading, because he leads the NBA in four of the five primary inputs by big margins, and the one he doesn't lead is the one that was weighted the least.

[scrabbarista]

You know who's the best player in the game if the player in question, is already great and still adds another wrinkle to their game. Nikola Jokic has blocked Jae'Shon Tate, Jonathan Kuminga and now OG Anunoby in the clutch and this man can barely jump over a phone book and has to play drop PnR coverage.

That's my MVP.

Aside from his defense (which is way more than just blocks), he's also massively upped his rebounding and shown significant improvement in his relative TS% on the strength of increasing his 2P% from .606 last season to .644 this season.

There's a reason he was +6.6 On-Court last season and +9.9 this season, and it's not because '22 Austin Rivers, Jeff Green, and Monte Morris are that much better players than '21 Jamal Murray, Michael Porter, Jr., and Paul Millsap.

[bebopdeluxe]

Oh, is this the Sports Betting Forum? Sorry, I wasn't aware.

PS: https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-feb-11-edition

As a person who was a portfolio manager for over 20 years, the MARKET sets the valuation - not some internet forum or news site's poll. Money talks, and bullshart walks.

Oh, and by the way...When LeBron and KD were picking their rosters for the All-Star game, who was the first pick? Huh?

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

I am obnoxious because I choose to use what Vegas oddsmakers or the gambling public - you know, the people who put their MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS - over some self-selected poll on the internet?

Ummm...OK. Whatever you say.

[rzzzzz]

You might not be from the Northeast, but I am. Philly Fans have the rep of being the dumbest, most obnoxious fans in sports. Just Google "Philadelphia fans are the worst".

Or Google what the low oxygen levels do to folks in Denver? I watched a lot of games in DC, which is such a transient town you get folks from all over attending games. Philly fans are lively, but NY fans are by far the most irritating. Boston fans are the most earnest, but generally interactive. Baltimore fans probably the most fun loving. I think Buffalo fans are the most endearing.

Mick Jagger said that when the Stones go on tour, he can’t wait to get to Philly, to get the most accurate reading on how well the band is actually doing. Plus, as he says, when you’re playing good, no place on earth is more enthusiastic.

[Dutchball97]

As a person who was a portfolio manager for over 20 years, the MARKET sets the valuation - not some internet forum or news site's poll. Money talks, and bullshart walks.

Oh, and by the way...When LeBron and KD were picking their rosters for the All-Star game, who was the first pick? Huh?

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

I am obnoxious because I choose to use what Vegas oddsmakers or the gambling public - you know, the people who put their MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS - over some self-selected poll on the internet?

Ummm...OK. Whatever you say.

Wait, you're serious? You don't even have an own opinion and you blindly follow what gamblers of all people do? That is even worse than what I was implying. Why are you even here on a discussion thread when you have nothing to contribute?

[Freighttrain]

1. Embiid: he's playing the best basketball of his career. He's also an outsider for DPOY
2. Giannis: still playing great as previous years, his team-record is worse than previous years so that's never a good sign
3. Paul: he's the leader of the most dominant team in the NBA by a wide margin

[_NoMas]

1. Embiid: he's playing the best basketball of his career. He's also an outsider for DPOY
2. Giannis: still playing great as previous years, his team-record is worse than previous years so that's never a good sign
3. Paul: he's the leader of the most dominant team in the NBA by a wide margin

Outsider for dpoy? Outsider as in outside of the conversation for defensive player of the year candidates maybe. Let’s not go off reputations and past seasons performances! That said I have him leading the MVP race currently…

[XtremeDunkz]

I don't usually come in here and now I see why. We really have Jokic fans believing they know better than Vegas oddsmakers

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[bebopdeluxe]

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

I am obnoxious because I choose to use what Vegas oddsmakers or the gambling public - you know, the people who put their MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS - over some self-selected poll on the internet?

Ummm...OK. Whatever you say.

Wait, you're serious? You don't even have an own opinion and you blindly follow what gamblers of all people do? That is even worse than what I was implying. Why are you even here on a discussion thread when you have nothing to contribute?

OK. Here is my contribution to the thread:

As of today, JOEL EMBIID IS THE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER IN THE NBA.

(for what that is worth)

Thanks!

[JewKobe]

Right so you've given up on actually trying to present an argument for Embiid's case and are now solely looking at sports betting? The funny thing is when others were the favorite in the betting odds 76ers fans didn't care. The NBA MVP ladder is worthless now to you because Jokic is leading the pack but the moment Embiid leads it suddenly it is indicative of who will win the award. Same for advanced stats, they're somehow useless nitpicking now but the moment Embiid leads them they are important again. You'll see the moment Embiid gets ahead in this poll I highly doubt any of you will call it a dumb internet poll anymore.

Although fans of the other teams have shown plenty of bias as well the amount of goalposts that have been moved on the daily by 76ers fans has been incredibly obnoxious.

I am obnoxious because I choose to use what Vegas oddsmakers or the gambling public - you know, the people who put their MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS - over some self-selected poll on the internet?

Ummm...OK. Whatever you say.

Wait, you're serious? You don't even have an own opinion and you blindly follow what gamblers of all people do? That is even worse than what I was implying. Why are you even here on a discussion thread when you have nothing to contribute?

To be fair if you’re going to use any metric to predict mvp the odds in Vegas are literally your best bet. They follow the money and generally speaking the money is usually right. Now odds may change but I’ll take the current odds favorite as the best source of truth or anything else out there. And it’s sure as hell more predictive than a poll on a message board. Now you may disagree that he should be the favorite. And you have every right to do that since this is sports and subjective. But to dismiss real time Vegas odds is foolish

[Dutchball97]

I am obnoxious because I choose to use what Vegas oddsmakers or the gambling public - you know, the people who put their MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS - over some self-selected poll on the internet?

Ummm...OK. Whatever you say.

Wait, you're serious? You don't even have an own opinion and you blindly follow what gamblers of all people do? That is even worse than what I was implying. Why are you even here on a discussion thread when you have nothing to contribute?

To be fair if you’re going to use any metric to predict mvp the odds in Vegas are literally your best bet. They follow the money and generally speaking the money is usually right. Now odds may change but I’ll take the current odds favorite as the best source of truth or anything else out there. And it’s sure as hell more predictive than a poll on a message board. Now you may disagree that he should be the favorite. And you have every right to do that since this is sports and subjective. But to dismiss real time Vegas odds is foolish

We're not here to play a guessing game though, are we? We're discussing who we think should be MVP, if someone thinks that should be Embiid I'm happy to hear their arguments but as you can see from bebop's response these guys are only interested in campaigning for their mancrush and aren't open for any form of meaningful discussion.