Let's talk about just how bad that KP trade was

[Snowwy]

Think the Mavs could have gotten McCollum instead?

By trading what?

[J_T]

They have their pick this year. Can't trade it before actually choosing a player tho. That's why I said it would've been better to move KP in the off-season.

Too risky. By that time his value might be again negative infinity with who knows what injury. As it was said in one of the videos, KP refused to do "X money for each block" charity deal for the season (as he did last season) because he was not expecting to stay in Dallas entire season. They all knew it, they were just waiting for his value to get high enough to be tradeable again.

Way to cherry pick something to create a narrative.

I've listened to plenty of KP interviews this season, he was as happy & bought-in as I've ever seen him. He's a consummate professional by all accounts.

Acting now, was acting in fear (the fear being another KP injury); a recipe for disaster...

The way I understood it, KP himself said he wasn't sure he'd be in Dallas entire season, it's not a narrative. Maybe the story is wrong, but it came from the person who presented that idea to him.

Him being happy and professional is not contradicting that he was expecting a trade. Same as Seth Curry was ok with the trade to Philly and was never a problematic teammate. He simply welcomed the trade because of family reasons.

Chemistry is not the reason for the trade. However you calling managing injury/trade value liability "acting in fear" shows lack of understanding how big money is being handled by big businesses. They often value diversifying risk more than their value expected value (which I don't think it even was the case here).

[SelfishPlayer]

Is the goal to get Dallas under the cap in order to offer a free agent a max contract? Poor goal, no one wants to play for Cuban.

[Antinomy]

Dinwiddie has been bad & Bertans has been REALLY bad.

I’m still baffled at that trade — unless there was a trade request or something serious behind closed doors.

[turnaroundJ]

Who knows if KP even suits up again this season.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Doesn't everyone say to buy low and sell high? It seems like dallas was buying low on bertans and dinwiddie and selling arguably high on KP. But everyone also seems to have a problem with that.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

thry clearly don't trust his health

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[WargamesX]

I came in here thinking this thread was about the initial Mavs/Knicks KP trade.

[gottamakeit]

I came in here thinking this thread was about the initial Mavs/Knicks KP trade.

Turns out that trade wasn't bad for either party.
After the NY/Dallas trade, the decisions made by the Dallas F/O have been horrendous.

[leolozon]

Doesn't everyone say to buy low and sell high? It seems like dallas was buying low on bertans and dinwiddie and selling arguably high on KP. But everyone also seems to have a problem with that.

Because most people think they didn't buy low and sell high.

[GrindCityHustle]

Could be addition by subtraction for the mavs to improve team chemistry

I think they should have routed Spencer and Bertran to the rockets and gotten John Wall. That would have made more sense honestly.

[dc]

The Mavs gambled and lost on KP. Not much more to say. They gave up a modest package to get him. It wasn't exactly a Godfather offer. They were hoping he'd be the #2 to Luka and that he'd regain his all-star form after his injury. He didn't.

It's a tough situation now because they just don't have anything resembling a true #2 (or even #3) to put next to Luka. They don't have a lot of assets. They're not getting some high lotto pick. It's looking more and more like Lebron's 1st stint with the Cavs.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

The Mavs gambled and lost on KP. Not much more to say. They gave up a modest package to get him. It wasn't exactly a Godfather offer. They were hoping he'd be the #2 to Luka and that he'd regain his all-star form after his injury. He didn't.

It's a tough situation now because they just don't have anything resembling a true #2 (or even #3) to put next to Luka. They don't have a lot of assets. They're not getting some high lotto pick. It's looking more and more like Lebron's 1st stint with the Cavs.

It's actually not. They played 15 nba games this year without luka doncic. They went 6-9, but their plus minus was really good. They could've gone 9-6 or even better. No way do lebron's cavs without lebron ever have a good record or a stretch where they look nearly that good. This has been true at other times during the season where luka's +/- was negative but they were positive when he was off the court. If the team was that bad, how could that happen so often? So in conclusion it seems more likely to me to be the opposite of lebron with the cavs, where he's carrying often weak teams to contention.

[Upperclass]

They traded a guy who doesn't want to play for two guys who can't play.. Buying low on two underperforming contracts isn't the same as sitting on one large contract that may not be fulfilled reliably. Mavs won the deal

[Zeno]

I don’t know if this has been discussed but I really think the plan for Dallas is waive and stretch which ever of these two players who restores their value less. They both got partial guarantees in their final year so Bertans can be stretched over 7 years or Spencer over 5. I wonder the reaction then.

[J_T]

The Mavs gambled and lost on KP. Not much more to say. They gave up a modest package to get him. It wasn't exactly a Godfather offer. They were hoping he'd be the #2 to Luka and that he'd regain his all-star form after his injury. He didn't.

It's a tough situation now because they just don't have anything resembling a true #2 (or even #3) to put next to Luka. They don't have a lot of assets. They're not getting some high lotto pick. It's looking more and more like Lebron's 1st stint with the Cavs.

It's actually not. They played 15 nba games this year without luka doncic. They went 6-9, but their plus minus was really good. They could've gone 9-6 or even better. No way do lebron's cavs without lebron ever have a good record or a stretch where they look nearly that good. This has been true at other times during the season where luka's +/- was negative but they were positive when he was off the court. If the team was that bad, how could that happen so often? So in conclusion it seems more likely to me to be the opposite of lebron with the cavs, where he's carrying often weak teams to contention.

That's when the team was not playing well, in general. Since January, when the team is actually in a higher gear, the +/- with Luka on court is easily better than when he is off. It's not even close. In last 22 games, with Luka on court they are +8.8 and without him they are -1.0. So this is another narrative that can safely be abandoned.

[Cipoteman]

For sure, Dallas does not improve if we strictly talk about basketball, but two separate 15M and 20M contract are easier to dump than a 35M one.

An expiring 15M contract and a 1st might net you a veteran or a bare starter from a tanking team (e.g. Derrick White, Thad Young from the Spurs), however the trade becomes much more difficult if you have to match 35M. Othe than Westbrrok, Wall or Tobias Harris, which players on that range are on the market?

[gottamakeit]

If their primary attempt was shedding salary, let me ask you guys a question...
When was the last time you saw a playoff team dump a productive player mid-season in a piss-poor attempt to shed salary ?
They failed on that objective.

If the objective was to field a competitive team for this year's playoffs, well they failed on that regard too. Bertans & Dinwiddie are bad players, they aren't helping in the playoffs.
They failed to course correct in order to compete in this year's playoffs.

The situation is truly fubar

[Godymas]

the clear reason why Dallas makes this trade is because they think that it's easier to rehab the value of these two smaller contracts than it is to rehab the value of Porzingis (who admittedly is playing better than people give credit for).

The hope is that either Dinwiddie or Bertans becomes viewed as a positive or netural asset and they are able to trade one of them sooner rather than later to free up cap space faster to get a better team around Luka.

[cgf]

I don't like the value, but I kinda get the logic for Dallas...especially if they're worrying that Brunson is going to leave. This let's them get a closer look at a possible replacement if Dinwiddie's on track to make a full recovery; while breaking that KP deal down into two smaller long-term contracts, should health prevent either player from helping them on the court.