Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[FlyingArrow]

Am I one of the only ones that likes Tobias and he finally gets to truly be the third option. That Butler Simmons Tobias and Embiid team , didn't really count with Ben clogging up the court. Now we get to see all the pressure taken off him and should be wide open plenty or great mismatches.

I don't want to trade him unless we're improving. Love plus isn't doing it. Love is washed. Rather just keep Tobias if that's the option. Sad

I generally agree. I want to see what Tobias does now that he’s being put in a much better position to succeed. He’s a flawed player on a bad contract but now he’ll be asked to hit open shots and dedicate himself to defense/rebounding. If he buys in and dedicates himself to doing more small things that win games, then I’m probably ok with keeping him through the length of his deal. Not sure I believe that will happen, but at least he’s got no excuses now.

Unless he exponentially starts launching more 3’s and defends at an above average level, then his skillset is mostly useless on a team with Harden and Embiid. His play will either be diminished, or will diminish the play of the other two. You can’t have that at $35-40 mil/year.

A long-term thought.

Tobias has a contract for 2 more years after this one. In two years, with Harden and Embiid on massive contracts we will not have the cap space to sign anyone major. By then, we'll have another FRP available to trade, plus another FRP that we would have drafted ourselves. There will probably be some $40million overpaid former all-star who has a bad contract but is still far better than anything we could sign ourselves. An expiring Tobias may be exactly what we need to trade for that player to keep our window open.

By trading him now we'd probably have to attach assets. Trading him then, as an expiring he would be an asset. In the meantime, we have two years of a player who may not be the best fit, but is absolutely an above average player if he is slotted in as the 3rd or 4th option.

[ProcessDoctor]

I generally agree. I want to see what Tobias does now that he’s being put in a much better position to succeed. He’s a flawed player on a bad contract but now he’ll be asked to hit open shots and dedicate himself to defense/rebounding. If he buys in and dedicates himself to doing more small things that win games, then I’m probably ok with keeping him through the length of his deal. Not sure I believe that will happen, but at least he’s got no excuses now.

Unless he exponentially starts launching more 3’s and defends at an above average level, then his skillset is mostly useless on a team with Harden and Embiid. His play will either be diminished, or will diminish the play of the other two. You can’t have that at $35-40 mil/year.

A long-term thought.

Tobias has a contract for 2 more years after this one. In two years, with Harden and Embiid on massive contracts we will not have the cap space to sign anyone major. By then, we'll have another FRP available to trade, plus another FRP that we would have drafted ourselves. There will probably be some $40million overpaid former all-star who has a bad contract but is still far better than anything we could sign ourselves. An expiring Tobias may be exactly what we need to trade for that player to keep our window open.

By trading him now we'd probably have to attach assets. Trading him then, as an expiring he would be an asset. In the meantime, we have two years of a player who may not be the best fit, but is absolutely an above average player if he is slotted in as the 3rd or 4th option.

I like the thought, I just don't think it's worth holding out for something so unlikely. Our picks plus Tobias is a package that a lot of teams will probably be able to beat. Plus, in a scenario like that you probably also have to give up one of Maxey or Tisse.

In the meantime, if we keep him, it'll be hard to make any significant moves without paying the repeater tax. He's not worth the room he's occupying in our cap. We won't be able to sign guys for ~$7-10 mil (MLE) who are more valuable than Tobias at $37 mil without (literally) paying dearly for it.

I think this summer it's time to rid ourselves of the last remaining mistake from the Colangelo-Brand era.

Edit: long story short, we can get 2-3 Tobias-level impact players for the price of one actual Tobias at $37 mil.

[DCasey91]

Ask the Pacers for Hield and Turner for Harris in the off-season .

Why for the Pacers? Going full tank and what better way to do that then have one of the best in the league.

Also they need to fill salary and 2 years is perfect for them if they hit on a prized pony in time to get his big boy contract extension.

Why for us? Saves dosh and gets an addition by subtraction. We get a better bomba in Hield and Turner is great. Can play the bigs together as well the Embiid/Turner combo defence would be insane. They actually compliment each other if you watch their games.

Add a pick and Springer for “assets attached” and Bob’s your Auntie.

[Jailblazers7]

I’m totally on board with trading Tobias to increase flexibility and get useful players in the door. I just think in practice it’s hard to trade him without making the Sixers a worse team. At this point, I don’t care about the repeater tax until ownership shows that it will interfere with their willingness to allow Morey to do whatever he wants.

I’m sure if Morey sees an advantageous exit opportunity, he’ll take it as soon as he can. But until that happens, I’m ok with him as our 3rd or 4th best player.

[mjkvol]

I’m totally on board with trading Tobias to increase flexibility and get useful players in the door. I just think in practice it’s hard to trade him without making the Sixers a worse team. At this point, I don’t care about the repeater tax until ownership shows that it will interfere with their willingness to allow Morey to do whatever he wants.

I’m sure if Morey sees an advantageous exit opportunity, he’ll take it as soon as he can. But until that happens, I’m ok with him as our 3rd or 4th best player.

Right now, yes. This summer, no way. With only two years left on his deal Morey will be able to find a taker - hell, he offloaded Horford when everyone said it would be impossible. I would see it as a loss if we went to camp next year with Tobias still here, but he would be much easier to deal at the deadline next year than this.

[Jailblazers7]

Maybe Beal will demand out of Washington and we can swap Tobi for Porzingis to help their tank

Get Embiid an overqualified backup and run some twin towers lineups with Porzingis bombing 3s if he regains his shooting touch.

[mithrandir17]

Maybe Beal will demand out of Washington and we can swap Tobi for Porzingis to help their tank

Get Embiid an overqualified backup and run some twin towers lineups with Porzingis bombing 3s if he regains his shooting touch.

Just imagine Embiid and Porzingis running the Redick/Seth DHO sets. LOL.

[HotelVitale]

Unless he exponentially starts launching more 3’s and defends at an above average level, then his skillset is mostly useless on a team with Harden and Embiid. His play will either be diminished, or will diminish the play of the other two. You can’t have that at $35-40 mil/year.

A long-term thought.

Tobias has a contract for 2 more years after this one. In two years, with Harden and Embiid on massive contracts we will not have the cap space to sign anyone major. By then, we'll have another FRP available to trade, plus another FRP that we would have drafted ourselves. There will probably be some $40million overpaid former all-star who has a bad contract but is still far better than anything we could sign ourselves. An expiring Tobias may be exactly what we need to trade for that player to keep our window open.

By trading him now we'd probably have to attach assets. Trading him then, as an expiring he would be an asset. In the meantime, we have two years of a player who may not be the best fit, but is absolutely an above average player if he is slotted in as the 3rd or 4th option.

I like the thought, I just don't think it's worth holding out for something so unlikely. Our picks plus Tobias is a package that a lot of teams will probably be able to beat. Plus, in a scenario like that you probably also have to give up one of Maxey or Tisse.

In the meantime, if we keep him, it'll be hard to make any significant moves without paying the repeater tax. He's not worth the room he's occupying in our cap. We won't be able to sign guys for ~$7-10 mil (MLE) who are more valuable than Tobias at $37 mil without (literally) paying dearly for it.

I think this summer it's time to rid ourselves of the last remaining mistake from the Colangelo-Brand era.

Edit: long story short, we can get 2-3 Tobias-level impact players for the price of one actual Tobias at $37 mil.

You’re proposing something so much more convoluted and less likely than just admitting Harris is pretty okay. He’s clearly better than almost anyone we could possibly sign with the MLE. And we still have the tax MLE which is like $6m instead of $10m, so all Harris being in the team is costing us is adding $4-5m in a single contract. It’s not that convincing a plan that we would first unload his contract without having to give anything up, and then assume we could easily sign one player better than him every season for each of the next 2-3, oh and also those very good players would take enormous paycuts to play for us and make $10m but would absolutely not consider $6m.

Also we also haven’t heard anything about luxury tax squeezes. And of course it doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth the cap he occupies’ beyond how it limits our flexibility. Maybe you just don’t like Harris, can’t get over the fact that he’s overpaid, and really just want him to burn?

[stormi]

A long-term thought.

Tobias has a contract for 2 more years after this one. In two years, with Harden and Embiid on massive contracts we will not have the cap space to sign anyone major. By then, we'll have another FRP available to trade, plus another FRP that we would have drafted ourselves. There will probably be some $40million overpaid former all-star who has a bad contract but is still far better than anything we could sign ourselves. An expiring Tobias may be exactly what we need to trade for that player to keep our window open.

By trading him now we'd probably have to attach assets. Trading him then, as an expiring he would be an asset. In the meantime, we have two years of a player who may not be the best fit, but is absolutely an above average player if he is slotted in as the 3rd or 4th option.

I like the thought, I just don't think it's worth holding out for something so unlikely. Our picks plus Tobias is a package that a lot of teams will probably be able to beat. Plus, in a scenario like that you probably also have to give up one of Maxey or Tisse.

In the meantime, if we keep him, it'll be hard to make any significant moves without paying the repeater tax. He's not worth the room he's occupying in our cap. We won't be able to sign guys for ~$7-10 mil (MLE) who are more valuable than Tobias at $37 mil without (literally) paying dearly for it.

I think this summer it's time to rid ourselves of the last remaining mistake from the Colangelo-Brand era.

Edit: long story short, we can get 2-3 Tobias-level impact players for the price of one actual Tobias at $37 mil.

You’re proposing something so much more convoluted and less likely than just admitting Harris is pretty okay. He’s clearly better than almost anyone we could possibly sign with the MLE. And we still have the tax MLE which is like $6m instead of $10m, so all Harris being in the team is costing us is adding $4-5m in a single contract. It’s not that convincing a plan that we would first unload his contract without having to give anything up, and then assume we could easily sign one player better than him every season for each of the next 2-3, oh and also those very good players would take enormous paycuts to play for us and make $10m but would absolutely not consider $6m.

Also we also haven’t heard anything about luxury tax squeezes. And of course it doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth the cap he occupies’ beyond how it limits our flexibility. Maybe you just don’t like Harris, can’t get over the fact that he’s overpaid, and really just want him to burn?

The issue is he hasn't been okay though. Statistically he's been one of our worst playoff performers every season he's been here. He sucked playing off-ball for Butler in 2019 (can't shoot or defend). He sucked in the bubble in 2020 in Simmons' absence (can't create or defend). He sucked in 2021 in a series we really should have won (can't take over games or defend). I think it was easier to let Harris slide in past seasons without another true perimeter option, and with the Ben Simmons cloud hanging over the teams head, but at this point he's already been internally surpassed as a creator by Maxey and James Harden was brought in.

The goal is to win a championship around our dynamic duo of Harden and Embiid. If Harris isn't playing to their strengths to make us as cohesive a unit as possible, then it's a square peg round hole scenario.

Harden needs: floor spacers (on volume), vertical leapers and defenders around him. Harris checks none of those boxes.

Embiid needs: floor spacers (on volume), pick and roll operators and perimeter defenders around him. Harris checks none of those boxes.

He's just an awkward fitting player that wants to crash and bang down low, but isn't talented enough to warrant tossing him the ball to crash and bang down low.

He's probably gone next summer.

[sixers hoops]

A long-term thought.

Tobias has a contract for 2 more years after this one. In two years, with Harden and Embiid on massive contracts we will not have the cap space to sign anyone major. By then, we'll have another FRP available to trade, plus another FRP that we would have drafted ourselves. There will probably be some $40million overpaid former all-star who has a bad contract but is still far better than anything we could sign ourselves. An expiring Tobias may be exactly what we need to trade for that player to keep our window open.

By trading him now we'd probably have to attach assets. Trading him then, as an expiring he would be an asset. In the meantime, we have two years of a player who may not be the best fit, but is absolutely an above average player if he is slotted in as the 3rd or 4th option.

I like the thought, I just don't think it's worth holding out for something so unlikely. Our picks plus Tobias is a package that a lot of teams will probably be able to beat. Plus, in a scenario like that you probably also have to give up one of Maxey or Tisse.

In the meantime, if we keep him, it'll be hard to make any significant moves without paying the repeater tax. He's not worth the room he's occupying in our cap. We won't be able to sign guys for ~$7-10 mil (MLE) who are more valuable than Tobias at $37 mil without (literally) paying dearly for it.

I think this summer it's time to rid ourselves of the last remaining mistake from the Colangelo-Brand era.

Edit: long story short, we can get 2-3 Tobias-level impact players for the price of one actual Tobias at $37 mil.

You’re proposing something so much more convoluted and less likely than just admitting Harris is pretty okay. He’s clearly better than almost anyone we could possibly sign with the MLE. And we still have the tax MLE which is like $6m instead of $10m, so all Harris being in the team is costing us is adding $4-5m in a single contract. It’s not that convincing a plan that we would first unload his contract without having to give anything up, and then assume we could easily sign one player better than him every season for each of the next 2-3, oh and also those very good players would take enormous paycuts to play for us and make $10m but would absolutely not consider $6m.

Also we also haven’t heard anything about luxury tax squeezes. And of course it doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth the cap he occupies’ beyond how it limits our flexibility. Maybe you just don’t like Harris, can’t get over the fact that he’s overpaid, and really just want him to burn?

I’m a little surprised that stayed over the tax this year. I have to give it to ownership. I thought they would avoid it for a year, and exceed it again next offseason. I think if we are legit contenders, they will pay the tax. I never faulted them in the past for avoiding the tax. No use paying the tax unless you truly believe you have a chance to win the title.

With Tobias, since we now have our primary building blocks in Embiid and Harden, we are on the clock and prob need to focus on getting maximum talent on the floor at all times over the next two or three off-seasons. I don’t want to get too cute with the cap maneuvering.

If I thought we could get a trade where we got two or three players who could collectively provide more production than Harris, then I would be interested. I feel like it’s less about salary now that Embiid and Harden in place, and any trade would likely have to give us a better chance to win immediately.

[mjkvol]

I like the thought, I just don't think it's worth holding out for something so unlikely. Our picks plus Tobias is a package that a lot of teams will probably be able to beat. Plus, in a scenario like that you probably also have to give up one of Maxey or Tisse.

In the meantime, if we keep him, it'll be hard to make any significant moves without paying the repeater tax. He's not worth the room he's occupying in our cap. We won't be able to sign guys for ~$7-10 mil (MLE) who are more valuable than Tobias at $37 mil without (literally) paying dearly for it.

I think this summer it's time to rid ourselves of the last remaining mistake from the Colangelo-Brand era.

Edit: long story short, we can get 2-3 Tobias-level impact players for the price of one actual Tobias at $37 mil.

You’re proposing something so much more convoluted and less likely than just admitting Harris is pretty okay. He’s clearly better than almost anyone we could possibly sign with the MLE. And we still have the tax MLE which is like $6m instead of $10m, so all Harris being in the team is costing us is adding $4-5m in a single contract. It’s not that convincing a plan that we would first unload his contract without having to give anything up, and then assume we could easily sign one player better than him every season for each of the next 2-3, oh and also those very good players would take enormous paycuts to play for us and make $10m but would absolutely not consider $6m.

Also we also haven’t heard anything about luxury tax squeezes. And of course it doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth the cap he occupies’ beyond how it limits our flexibility. Maybe you just don’t like Harris, can’t get over the fact that he’s overpaid, and really just want him to burn?

The issue is he hasn't been okay though. Statistically he's been one of our worst playoff performers every season he's been here. He sucked playing off-ball for Butler in 2019 (can't shoot or defend). He sucked in the bubble in 2020 in Simmons' absence (can't create or defend). He sucked in 2021 in a series we really should have won (can't take over games or defend). I think it was easier to let Harris slide in past seasons without another true perimeter option, and with the Ben Simmons cloud hanging over the teams head, but at this point he's already been internally surpassed as a creator by Maxey and James Harden was brought in.

The goal is to win a championship around our dynamic duo of Harden and Embiid. If Harris isn't playing to their strengths to make us as cohesive a unit as possible, then it's a square peg round hole scenario.

Harden needs: floor spacers (on volume), vertical leapers and defenders around him. Harris checks none of those boxes.

Embiid needs: floor spacers (on volume), pick and roll operators and perimeter defenders around him. Harris checks none of those boxes.

He's just an awkward fitting player that wants to crash and bang down low, but isn't talented enough to warrant tossing him the ball to crash and bang down low.

He's probably gone next summer.

This says it about as well as it can be said. The reason the money is an issue is primarily that Harris doesn't fit with the scheme moving forward (if he ever really did here), that the need is for him to do the types of things you get role players to do (spacing, defense, rim run) and he's being paid primary scoring option money. And the fact that the things needed are hardly his strong suit.

Move him to provide the flexibility to go and get a couple of players that actually fit those roles. This isn't rocket science.

[ProcessDoctor]

5 teams I see as potential trade destinations for Tobias this summer:

-Dallas (Kleber, Powell, Bertans, THJ, Dinwiddie)
-Houston (Gordon, Wood)
-Oklahoma City (Favors, Muscala, Dort)
-San Antonio (McDermott)
-Utah (Bogdanovic, Clarkson)

[sixers4real]

5 teams I see as potential trade destinations for Tobias this summer:

-Dallas (Kleber, Powell, Bertans, THJ, Dinwiddie)
-Houston (Gordon, Wood)
-Oklahoma City (Favors, Muscala, Dort)
-San Antonio (McDermott)
-Utah (Bogdanovic, Clarkson)

I’m not saying that you’re wrong, but we had Kings, Wolves, Pacers, Raptors, Hawks, Blazers and some other teams as potential trade destinations for Simmons, all of the sudden Morey does an amazing Simmons trade with Nets.

I’m trusting Morey to do the right thing with Tobias as well.

[Negrodamus]

Barring unforeseen injuries by anyone on this team, I see Tobias averaging 17-19ppg on good efficiency through the playoffs with us possibly making the Finals. If that happens, he's not going anywhere.

[brannigan73]

This is a goof but based on his effort tonight against the Celtics Tobias for a bag of balls. Thank god James Harden is here because Tobias Harris is not a number two option in any galaxy.

[Murray_17]

I still don't think we're trading Tobias.

The Harden trade basically left us without first round picks to trade until 2029 and unless you want to dump a young guy like Maxey/Mattise there is no atractive offer for another team to absorve Tobias contract.

Morey today mentioned Tobias as the third wheel of this team, again.

Unless he really stink up the next playoffs we're not trading him

[kriss73]

I don't know if trading Tobias this summer is the right move, but if that will be the way, the McCollum trade is a great plot.
Portland was able to flip his 70M in the next 2 years and Nance 10M expiring contract for NAW, 2 expiring/not guaranteed (Sato and Hart) a conditional FRP and 2 seconds.

Basically they found a way to clear cap and add assets.

[stormi]

Dream Harris trade for me is coupled with Thybulle to bring in Collins and Bogi. If Harden loves Niang, he'll love Bogi.

This is assuming Thybulle gimmicks his way to another all defensive team, maybe even first and harbors huge league wide value.

Collins is a dynamic athlete and leaper and would pair beautifully with Harden.

Maxey/()/Springer
Harden/Joe
Bogdanovic/Korkmaz
Collins/Niang
Embiid/()

Green, Milton, Harris and Thybulle are probably the next wave of players that need to be phased out.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/forward/

Would be nice to pluck an athletic forward. Otto Porter is my guy personally, but I doubt he'll be in our price range.

[HardenGoat]

Dream Harris trade for me is coupled with Thybulle to bring in Collins and Bogi. If Harden loves Niang, he'll love Bogi.

This is assuming Thybulle gimmicks his way to another all defensive team, maybe even first and harbors huge league wide value.

Collins is a dynamic athlete and leaper and would pair beautifully with Harden.

Maxey/()/Springer
Harden/Joe
Bogdanovic/Korkmaz
Collins/Niang
Embiid/()

Green, Milton, Harris and Thybulle are probably the next wave of players that need to be phased out.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/forward/

Would be nice to pluck an athletic forward. Otto Porter is my guy personally, but I doubt he'll be in our price range.

Collins would be the perfect fit with Harden/Embiid, able to stretch the floor but also a legit lob threat and slasher. He would be wide open. The only issue with Collins is he wants a fast flowing offense with a lot of ball movement and that is fine in the regular season but in playoffs he would need to buy into that 3rd option role as a spacer/slasher/lob threat.

[Jailblazers7]

Collins + Bogie would be amazing. I feel like Gordon + Christian Wood is another option in a similar to direction that would be worse but maybe more realistic.