Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans

[doclinkin]

So does this improve the team at all? I've been asking for a quick footed PG who can fit into the defensive scheme better, is Ish that guy? Can he hit the three? Can he pass?

Passing and quick decisions are the thing that Ish does well. He is a willing defender, smart, but not long. On offense he knows who is open and can get them the ball. He is a penetrate and dish player though Neto actually finishes underneath better. Ish though is a true PG, he makes teammates better.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

the Bulls' three-headed center position of the 90s? IIRC Cartwright, Longley, Wennington figured into the equation.
REMEMBER ????

We have two PGs and at least a couple more (Beal, Ayayi, Deni ...)


doclinkin (above):

Passing and quick decisions are the thing that Ish does well. He is a willing defender, smart, but not long. On offense he knows who is open and can get them the ball. He is a penetrate and dish player though []Neto actually finishes underneath better.[/color] []Ish though is a true PG, he makes teammates better[/color].

That, ladies and gentlemen, is Gospel truth red-letter, emboldened and otherwise made BARNEY-SIMPLE .

[9 and 20]

Some pretty good quotes in here from both Dinwiddie and Bertans - https://www.mavs.com/newcomers-introduced/

When he was signed, Dinwiddie was apparently told that the Wiz expected that he would sit out the first 20 or 25 games. Bert comes across as pretty damn entitled for a guy that was handed 80 mil after holding himself out for several games and then proceeded to get fat.

“That’s the thing I was disappointed with but also a little hurt by,” Dinwiddie said. “I got wrote off 30 games into the season. I didn’t have to play the first 25 of. They told me when they signed me, you don’t have to play the first 20 games, you’re coming off an ACL. I was like, nah, I want to come here and help and be part of this.
...
“Personally, I have a lot of peace with my career in terms of the way I’ve played, the injuries I’ve had, the things I’ve been able to accomplish, in terms of leading a Brooklyn team to the playoffs before, right?” Dinwiddie said. “But in terms of this year and what we’re proving collectively, we’re fighting for home court advantage. Trying to take the next step in growth as a unit, as a roster.

[Jstock12]

Bert comes across as pretty damn entitled for a guy that was handed 80 mil after holding himself out for several games and then proceeded to get fat.

Am I reading the same article? Not sure where you're seeing the entitlement. Seemed to me like pretty innocuous words.

[payitforward]

All 3 guys on both sides of the trade speak respectfully & sensibly. No need to make any negative parting judgments on any of them.

In truth, if every one of the 3 guys somehow returns to playing at the best level of his career, then Dallas will have made a terrific trade. For that matter, even basing it on the 3 guys' average play across their careers, it's not like we got some kind of a steal: Kristaps Porzingis is not & has never been a good NBA player. Not by any definition.

That said, I hope all 3 guys play great going forward!

[closg00]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/davis-bertans-says-players-on-wizards-were-fighting-with-each-other-over-minutes-roles-every-single-day/

[Ruzious]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/davis-bertans-says-players-on-wizards-were-fighting-with-each-other-over-minutes-roles-every-single-day/

Man, I'm glad Bertans is gone. Imo, when you've played as poorly as he did after signing a huge contract, you forfeit the right to talk bleep about your old team after getting traded.

Btw, RealGM has clarified the 2nd rounder we get in the trade:

2022 second round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 2022 2nd round pick to Washington protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Dallas' obligation to Washington will be extinguished) [Dallas-Washington, 2/10/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

With Dallas at 33-24, it looks very likely that we'll get a 2022 late 2nd rounder - I'd guess around 50.

[9 and 20]

Bert comes across as pretty damn entitled for a guy that was handed 80 mil after holding himself out for several games and then proceeded to get fat.

Am I reading the same article? Not sure where you're seeing the entitlement. Seemed to me like pretty innocuous words.

He's been fat or garbage or both for the better part of 2 years - ever since he got paid. Saying now that you needed to be force fed more shots, when you were too fat to get open or get off a clean shot, is something. He's not fat Luka or fat Harden - his only skill is shooting, and he was too fat to do that. Then, when he finally slimmed down, he was still garbage.

[closg00]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/davis-bertans-says-players-on-wizards-were-fighting-with-each-other-over-minutes-roles-every-single-day/

Man, I'm glad Bertans is gone. Imo, when you've played as poorly as he did after signing a huge contract, you forfeit the right to talk bleep about your old team after getting traded.

Btw, RealGM has clarified the 2nd rounder we get in the trade:

2022 second round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 2022 2nd round pick to Washington protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Dallas' obligation to Washington will be extinguished) [Dallas-Washington, 2/10/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

With Dallas at 33-24, it looks very likely that we'll get a 2022 late 2nd rounder - I'd guess around 50.

This is definitely poor form, but he probably is speaking the truth here.

[Ruzious]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/davis-bertans-says-players-on-wizards-were-fighting-with-each-other-over-minutes-roles-every-single-day/

Man, I'm glad Bertans is gone. Imo, when you've played as poorly as he did after signing a huge contract, you forfeit the right to talk bleep about your old team after getting traded.

Btw, RealGM has clarified the 2nd rounder we get in the trade:

2022 second round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 2022 2nd round pick to Washington protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Dallas' obligation to Washington will be extinguished) [Dallas-Washington, 2/10/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

With Dallas at 33-24, it looks very likely that we'll get a 2022 late 2nd rounder - I'd guess around 50.

This is definitely poor form, but he probably is speaking the truth here.

He probably is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing to fight for minutes. It's competition. I want every player other than Beal to try to earn more minutes. It's something that can be spun either way, and he chose the most negative.

[Jstock12]

Bert comes across as pretty damn entitled for a guy that was handed 80 mil after holding himself out for several games and then proceeded to get fat.

Am I reading the same article? Not sure where you're seeing the entitlement. Seemed to me like pretty innocuous words.

He's been fat or garbage or both for the better part of 2 years - ever since he got paid. Saying now that you needed to be force fed more shots, when you were too fat to get open or get off a clean shot, is something. He's not fat Luka or fat Harden - his only skill is shooting, and he was too fat to do that. Then, when he finally slimmed down, he was still garbage.

He is a spot up shooter. That's his specialty. So, he's not wrong when he says he needs to be set up for shots rather than create for himself. I don't think he says anything about being force fed?

[DCZards]

I was through with Davis when he showed up fat and out-of-shape for the 2020-21 season after signing that big contract. Bertans had one job that offseason and that was to stay in shape...and he failed at that.

But he's likely right about this group of Zards players complaining about minutes and their role. This is not the first time we've heard. From what I've read and heard, Spencer may have been the biggest problem in that regard. But he's gone now and the team and locker room is probably better off for it.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Bertans was also unhappy with his minutes/role after receiving repeated DNP-CD. He couldn't hit a 3...which was about all he was good for doing.

[Halcyon]

I really think specialty shooters like Bertans will be phased out of the league, especially since so many guys are now capable of shooting and can bring other things to the table. You can see how unplayable they become if they cannot get into rhythm or get shots created for them.

[9 and 20]

Am I reading the same article? Not sure where you're seeing the entitlement. Seemed to me like pretty innocuous words.

He's been fat or garbage or both for the better part of 2 years - ever since he got paid. Saying now that you needed to be force fed more shots, when you were too fat to get open or get off a clean shot, is something. He's not fat Luka or fat Harden - his only skill is shooting, and he was too fat to do that. Then, when he finally slimmed down, he was still garbage.

He is a spot up shooter. That's his specialty. So, he's not wrong when he says he needs to be set up for shots rather than create for himself. I don't think he says anything about being force fed?

After having watched him for the last two years plus years struggle to get open or even hit open shots, to hear him complain or infer that he wasn't given enough open shots - yeah, it doesn't come off well. Especially when he is garbage at nearly every other facet of the game. And on top of that, a good chunk of it all was his fault - his own level of chunk. Being fat is fine but not for struggling $80 million ball players.

I wish him well in Dallas (I guess), but it would also be nice to hear from him that there were some things he could have done better during his time here (like not get fat immediately after taking that $80 mil).

[AFM]

Maybe by "force fed" Bertans meant at a Chinese buffet. Dude came in last year with a Homer Simpson physique

[Zonkerbl]

Bertans needs a starting quality pass first pg or some other all star quality player distorting the defense so he can just do his job and penalize the other team for being out of defensive position, get to his spot and shoot. Or the team has to have really good passing as a group. If he's being blanketed because the rest of the team sucks that's arguably not his fault.

[dirkdiggler4177]

I want to believe that Porzingis will be a valuable player, certainly he has great size and is willing to shoot from range. On the other hand, that we were able to pick him up for two contracts widely seen as strong overpays is a huge red flag. I hope like hell he's a good player for us but wouldn't be shocked if we end up regretting the deal. Still one I am glad the team rolled the dice on; we weren't going anywhere as we were.

The trade was so bad that clearly, something is wrong with KP. Here is an article on the subject.

According to NBA insider Marc Stein, the Mavs were already pessimistic about getting a deal done for Porzingis until two suitors in the Raptors and Wizards showed “serious” interest in the sharpshooting big man. Unfortunately for Dallas, Toronto didn’t like the outlook on KP’s health and stopped their pursuit, which led to Mark Cuban and company focusing on Washington to make a trade happen.

Toronto, league sources say, stepped away because of concerns about Porzingis’ long-term health. The Wizards, sources say, went ahead with the trade on their end — to add to the bluntness — because they were as eager to ship out Spencer Dinwiddie and Dāvis Bertāns as the Mavericks were to move on from the idea that Porzingis could be the ideal co-star for Luka Doncic.

https://clutchpoints.com/mavs-news-the-real-reason-raptors-backed-out-of-kristaps-porzingis-trade-talks/

[Ruzious]

I see. So, all those wide opened 3's Bertans missed over the last year and a half were actually fig newtons of my imagination. Fair enough.

[TGW]

Was there a physical done on KP or was that waived?

[Zonkerbl]

Maybe you've watched more than me. A lot of the shots I've seen Bertans take are under serious duress. And I only watch taped games where the Wiz win and the team is playing relatively well.

Maybe in the losses I'm skipping Bertans is taking and missing a lot of shots?