The Official Ben 10 Simmons Thread

[MrDollarBills]

The Embiid comments about Ben "not having winning as his top priority" are comical. of course not. And that is the issue with tanking. it creates an entitled culture of losers. Embiid himself didnt prioritize winning until very recently.

Change of scenery should do some good, moving somewhere with other guys who get crucified in the media plus the aussies will only help

Ben gets blame for the Atlanta series. But also is scapegoated.

Where was Embiid in the last few minutes of Game 7? He didn't do ****. Let the game slip away.

Or in the Toronto series?

Hes never proven he can win in the playoffs either.

Ben being in an environment around guys like KD and Patty should help a lot. No one is going to scapegoat him and throw him under the bus if we fail.

Nets win as a team, and lose as a team. You never see guys pointing fingers here

well, except the idiot head coach, but he won't do what Rivers and Embiid did after they got beat.

[Prokorov]

The Embiid comments about Ben "not having winning as his top priority" are comical. of course not. And that is the issue with tanking. it creates an entitled culture of losers. Embiid himself didnt prioritize winning until very recently.

Change of scenery should do some good, moving somewhere with other guys who get crucified in the media plus the aussies will only help

Ben gets blame for the Atlanta series. But also is scapegoated.

Where was Embiid in the last few minutes of Game 7? He didn't do ****. Let the game slip away.

Or in the Toronto series?

Hes never proven he can win in the playoffs either.

Yup, he has lost as the higher seed and lost at home at an alarming rate in the playoffs. almost all their playoff wins are vs cupcake seeds and alot of losses vs lower seeds. multiple embarassing losses to boston and then atlanta.

Embiid 8 turnovers in game 6 of atlanta series and then another 8 turnovers in game 7 of the atlanta series. Those 16 turnovers hurt alot more then Bens brainfart on that open layup.

Philly had a 3-1 lead. the next 4 games for embiid looked like this:

-Shot 4-20 in a loss.
-5 turnovers in a loss.
-shot 9-24, -1 , 8 turnovers in a narrow win
-8 turnovers, -2 a game 7 loss

not a good look.

[sisibilio]

So, is there any timetable for his debut?

[Prokorov]

Yeah i don't think it's fair for any Net fan to trash the Sixers coaches regarding Ben. We don't know what went on behind the scenes.

The hope is, being here and being around KD and seeing his work habits and being with Patty, who is just an amazing person never mind player, will give Ben a push in the right direction.

We don't need him to be someone who he isn't. We need him to play to his strengths and get his FTs back up to the 60s range percentage wise. Let KD handle the rest.

I disagree. Simmons is a reclamation project, He is not going to be an easy plug and play like Harden was. I saw another post seeing him as a Draymond Green. I have watched Green over the years, and he was never scared of taking an open shot, no matter how bad he is at shooting or finishing. Green is on another level when it comes to offensive IQ. Simmons on the other hand, routinely passes up open 3s and open dunks. That guy is not going to win you a championship. He has a massive confidence problem, and it needs to fixed, sooner rather than later

He gets a clean slate here. Simmons is not Draymond Green, he is Ben Simmons. I don't want Simmons passing up dunks, but I could care less about him shooting open threes. I want rebounds, defense, assists and transition opportunities.

If we can take the bucks to OT in game 7 and lose on KD's shoe size with Bruce Brown and Blake on the floor we can figure it out with Blake in Browns place.

im not worried about Ben being a negative... i do worry nash wont get the most out of him, which is concerning, because his ceiling is top 12 talent

[Prokorov]

I think Ben is a POS personally. Maybe he turned it around over the summer but that would be unrealistic.

For those that don't know, during Brett Browns tenure as coach, he got so frustrated with Ben's lack of offense that he publicly challenged him in a pre game press conference to shoot one 3 per game for the rest of the season.

Ben took ZERO 3 pointers the rest of the year.

Brett and then Doc both publicly coddled him daily saying things like "his shooting doesn't matter because he does everything else great " which I see Nash is already putting out there. It's like groundhog day to me. Not sure how anyone could expect a different outcome.

Great defender, great transition passer. But 100% a negative in half court offense. Will clog the paint and his defender will cheat off of him every time down the floor. Makes everyone else's job harder.

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His shooting doesnt matter. he is taking the place of god awful shooters who teams ignore and cheat off of. so we ALREADY have that negative aspect without the positives of ben.

When you Have Kyrie/KD/Joe Harris/Curry/LMA you can live with a non shooter on the floor

[Prokorov]

I think Ben is a POS personally. Maybe he turned it around over the summer but that would be unrealistic.

For those that don't know, during Brett Browns tenure as coach, he got so frustrated with Ben's lack of offense that he publicly challenged him in a pre game press conference to shoot one 3 per game for the rest of the season.

Ben took ZERO 3 pointers the rest of the year.

Brett and then Doc both publicly coddled him daily saying things like "his shooting doesn't matter because he does everything else great " which I see Nash is already putting out there. It's like groundhog day to me. Not sure how anyone could expect a different outcome.

Great defender, great transition passer. But 100% a negative in half court offense. Will clog the paint and his defender will cheat off of him every time down the floor. Makes everyone else's job harder.

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Ben also fit horribly with Embiid. They both could only score in the paint.

Hes never really played with a talented perimeter player like KD or Kyrie.

I mean saying Embiid can only score in the paint is flat out wrong but I think you know that.

Ben played with Jimmy, and Ben cried to the front office to get rid of Jimmy because he wanted the ball in his hands more.

Ben wants the ball in his hands surrounded by 4 shooters. That's the only way he'll ever be truly happy and have his full potential reached.

He'll play good soldier for a little while and stand in the dunker spot but that's all. It will be harder for Kyrie to drive the lane with Ben's man cheating over.

Again maybe I'm wrong and Ben is a changed man after his hold out, but I wouldn't bank on it.

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Ben wont make spacing worse... i mean Kyrie was LITERALLY getting triple teamed last night as he was surrounded by FOUR non-shooters at times (Sharpe, Johnson, Brown, Thomas) and at all times at least 2 non-shooters.

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Also, Bens ideal spot on the nets is PG. KD has played off ball his entire time hear and Kyrie had the best season of his career last year off ball (27 ppg on 50/40/90)

He would be surrenounded by 3.5 shooters (Kyrie, KD, curry or harris, and LMA or Blake)

[GTR11]

Ben also fit horribly with Embiid. They both could only score in the paint.

Hes never really played with a talented perimeter player like KD or Kyrie.

I mean saying Embiid can only score in the paint is flat out wrong but I think you know that.

Ben played with Jimmy, and Ben cried to the front office to get rid of Jimmy because he wanted the ball in his hands more.

Ben wants the ball in his hands surrounded by 4 shooters. That's the only way he'll ever be truly happy and have his full potential reached.

He'll play good soldier for a little while and stand in the dunker spot but that's all. It will be harder for Kyrie to drive the lane with Ben's man cheating over.

Again maybe I'm wrong and Ben is a changed man after his hold out, but I wouldn't bank on it.

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Ben wont make spacing worse... i mean Kyrie was LITERALLY getting triple teamed last night as he was surrounded by FOUR non-shooters.

Read on Twitter

Also, Bens ideal spot on the nets is PG. KD has played off ball his entire time hear and Kyrie had the best season of his career last year off ball (27 ppg on 50/40/90)

He would be surrenounded by 3.5 shooters (Kyrie, KD, curry or harris, and LMA or Blake)

This clown has no clue. School him Prok.

[Prokorov]

I think Philly and Ben share a lot of blame for how things ultimately went down. Philly early on gave Ben too much power and once they started pushing back on him, he broke down. Not going to defend that or blame Embiid (even though he crossed a line post game when they got eliminated) or blame Doc. This was years in the making.

Either way, anyone that comes here gets a fresh start. Our focus on development is strong. Media and fan pressure is a lot chiller than Philly. Kyrie and KD have a reputation as difficult players but with the Nets, they've been incredibly positive and empowering as teammates. They also put Ben as the no doubt 3rd option. In Philly, there was always some friction about roles and the hierarchy.

It is why I don't believe in Tanking. you cant just hold guys out with fake injuries or surrounded them bad players so you can score better draft picks without it effecting their mindset off the floor and habits on the floor. ESPECIALLY 20 year olds just coming into the league.

Ben may struggle with this for a while or maybe new scenery and playing with former champs like KD/Kyrie will help him. We will see. But I think philly will continue to be plagued by this. Embiid can trash Ben's commitment to winning and entitlement but he hasnt exactly been some Kobe/Butler like driven player himself

[MrDollarBills]

Just leaving this here.







good lord.

[Stone]

^^ But is he really happy ?........................

[XtremeDunkz]

I mean saying Embiid can only score in the paint is flat out wrong but I think you know that.

Ben played with Jimmy, and Ben cried to the front office to get rid of Jimmy because he wanted the ball in his hands more.

Ben wants the ball in his hands surrounded by 4 shooters. That's the only way he'll ever be truly happy and have his full potential reached.

He'll play good soldier for a little while and stand in the dunker spot but that's all. It will be harder for Kyrie to drive the lane with Ben's man cheating over.

Again maybe I'm wrong and Ben is a changed man after his hold out, but I wouldn't bank on it.

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Ben wont make spacing worse... i mean Kyrie was LITERALLY getting triple teamed last night as he was surrounded by FOUR non-shooters.

Read on Twitter

Also, Bens ideal spot on the nets is PG. KD has played off ball his entire time hear and Kyrie had the best season of his career last year off ball (27 ppg on 50/40/90)

He would be surrenounded by 3.5 shooters (Kyrie, KD, curry or harris, and LMA or Blake)

This clown has no clue. School him Prok.

Yes I have no clue. I only watched every game he's played since he entered the league lol. Good luck.

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[MrDollarBills]

^^ But is he really happy ?........................

is she the cure for depression?

[GTR11]

Ben wont make spacing worse... i mean Kyrie was LITERALLY getting triple teamed last night as he was surrounded by FOUR non-shooters.

Read on Twitter

Also, Bens ideal spot on the nets is PG. KD has played off ball his entire time hear and Kyrie had the best season of his career last year off ball (27 ppg on 50/40/90)

He would be surrenounded by 3.5 shooters (Kyrie, KD, curry or harris, and LMA or Blake)

This clown has no clue. School him Prok.

Yes I have no clue. I only watched every game he's played since he entered the league lol. Good luck.

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You better go do some homework on a fat boy than trolling this board with crazy takes.

If Kyrie called him washed up I'd be wondering why.

[XtremeDunkz]

This clown has no clue. School him Prok.

Yes I have no clue. I only watched every game he's played since he entered the league lol. Good luck.

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You better go do some homework on a fat boy than trolling this board with crazy takes.

If Kyrie called him washed up I'd be wondering why.

Not trolling at all actually. I clearly gave his positives and negatives.

Also lol at some of you believing a tweet from ballsack sports.

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[MrDollarBills]

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[emptygator]

If Simmons buys in, he can be the best defensive role player in the league and a great transition player. He can never be relied upon to be a playmaker in the half court unless it’s early offense. When the game slows down, he will be a detriment to finishing games in the playoffs if he is given the ball in the half court other than as cutter for a dunk.

Everything should workout with Nets as long as he isn’t asked to do more than that, and he accepts that it’s not his team, nor is he a star.

[NyCeEvO]

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[Pablo Escobar]

He has to get better at shooting the ball. At least a solid mid range shot and get into the low to mid 70s at the free throw line. He can't be coddled into thinking it's ok not to attempt jumpers when wide open. Also refusing to shoot in the 4th quarter his last playoff series was pathetic. But this front office seems to allow itself to get pushed around so Ben might tell em to F off I ain't shooting sht lol and they'll just smile and cut the check.

[zimpy27]

He has to get better at shooting the ball. At least a solid mid range shot and get into the low to mid 70s at the free throw line. He can't be coddled into thinking it's ok not to attempt jumpers when wide open. Also refusing to shoot in the 4th quarter his last playoff series was pathetic. But this front office seems to allow itself to get pushed around so Ben might tell em to F off I ain't shooting sht lol and they'll just smile and cut the check.

He has to be allowed to play his game. As long as Nets realise he's better off practising FTs than 3s, then it will work out.

[sweetlou23]

I think Philly and Ben share a lot of blame for how things ultimately went down. Philly early on gave Ben too much power and once they started pushing back on him, he broke down. Not going to defend that or blame Embiid (even though he crossed a line post game when they got eliminated) or blame Doc. This was years in the making.

Either way, anyone that comes here gets a fresh start. Our focus on development is strong. Media and fan pressure is a lot chiller than Philly. Kyrie and KD have a reputation as difficult players but with the Nets, they've been incredibly positive and empowering as teammates. They also put Ben as the no doubt 3rd option. In Philly, there was always some friction about roles and the hierarchy.

It is why I don't believe in Tanking. you cant just hold guys out with fake injuries or surrounded them bad players so you can score better draft picks without it effecting their mindset off the floor and habits on the floor. ESPECIALLY 20 year olds just coming into the league.

Ben may struggle with this for a while or maybe new scenery and playing with former champs like KD/Kyrie will help him. We will see. But I think philly will continue to be plagued by this. Embiid can trash Ben's commitment to winning and entitlement but he hasnt exactly been some Kobe/Butler like driven player himself

You do not play defense like Ben Simmons without being commited to winning.