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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1001 » by BK_2020 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:44 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:I don't think Collins is a good fit at all. He's too young and will want his shots-- shots that Tatum and Brown ought to be taking. Grant, who is 28 and made his mark as a 6th man in Denver, is a better option.

You mean Jerami Grant the guy who left a WCF team and an MVP-level teammate so he can put up stats on the literal worst team in the league?
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Post#1002 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:50 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I don't think Collins is a good fit at all. He's too young and will want his shots-- shots that Tatum and Brown ought to be taking. Grant, who is 28 and made his mark as a 6th man in Denver, is a better option.

You mean Jerami Grant the guy who left a WCF team and an MVP-level teammate so he can put up stats on the literal worst team in the league?


And get paid. It was all about getting paid.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1003 » by BK_2020 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:52 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I don't think Collins is a good fit at all. He's too young and will want his shots-- shots that Tatum and Brown ought to be taking. Grant, who is 28 and made his mark as a 6th man in Denver, is a better option.

You mean Jerami Grant the guy who left a WCF team and an MVP-level teammate so he can put up stats on the literal worst team in the league?


And get paid. It was all about getting paid.


Denver was offering him the same amount of money/ years.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1004 » by robbie84 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:09 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I don't think Collins is a good fit at all. He's too young and will want his shots-- shots that Tatum and Brown ought to be taking. Grant, who is 28 and made his mark as a 6th man in Denver, is a better option.

You mean Jerami Grant the guy who left a WCF team and an MVP-level teammate so he can put up stats on the literal worst team in the league?


And get paid. It was all about getting paid.



For some reason Grant is more concerned with being the #1 or #2 option and does not want to be traded somewhere where his usage and shots go down.
This has been reported multiple times. Sad, because he'd have been great in Boston.
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Post#1005 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:22 pm

Well if that's the case with Grant I don't want him either.
Collins is "unhappy with his role." When an NBA player says that, it never means "they weren't asking me to play enough defense." Let Collins eat his heart out in Atlanta watching Trae Young take 25-30 shots a game.
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Post#1006 » by bisme37 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:18 pm

During our win streak the defense has been the best in the NBA by 10 points per 100 possessions. Massive gap between us and the next best defense.

Also averaging 323 passes per game, good for 2nd in the league (during the win streak).

Also we have the best point differential in the NBA since Jan 1st at +11. It was only +1 before that.

Also, Perk admits he was wrong to say the Jays should be broken up. But takes credit for motivating the team with his nonsense haha.

(All this from NBA Today a little earlier.)
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Post#1007 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:24 pm

Cs trending up! Moved up from 13th to 9th last week. Moved up 2 more spots this week. Can we just stay under the radar while staying undefeated?

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The Nuggets have scored a league-best 120 points per 100 possessions over the last 32 days. But on Friday, they scored just 102 on 104 against what has been the league’s best defense by a wide margin over an even longer timeframe. The Celtics’ defense isn’t letting up, having held its opponents under a point per possession in five straight games. (The Grizzlies – Nov. 28 through Dec. 6 – are the only other team to have done that this season.) The Boston starting lineup continues to be suffocating, with Robert Williams having blocked at least two shots in eight straight games (for the second time this season). His third-jump erasure of a De’Andre Hunter layup on Sunday was downright ridiculous.

Williams had a similarly ridiculous dunk off a lob from Derrick White, who had seven assists in his first two games with his new team (though he was mostly playing off the ball). The Celtics closed both of their weekend wins with White on the floor instead of Al Horford and the White lineup outscored the Nuggets and Hawks by 14 points in its 15 total minutes.

The offense wasn’t pretty in those two games and White shot 4-for-14 on Sunday, but the Celtics have won eight straight games because their defense has been incredible. And with their win in Brooklyn last week, they have the best record (11-7) in games played between the top eight teams in the East. They’re just 1-2 against the Sixers, with the fourth and final meeting in Philadelphia on Tuesday.
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1008 » by chrisab123 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:58 am

How many accountants on this board are happy that Allen got picked over Jaylen? Sucks for him though.
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Post#1009 » by Joshyjess » Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:34 am

chrisab123 wrote:How many accountants on this board are happy that Allen got picked over Jaylen? Sucks for him though.

Actually I'm glad (even though I'm not an accountant), but not because of the money reason. Brown has looked off lately. I think the time off will be better for him in the long run. He could use the break to recharge his batteries, and get ready for the final push of the season, rather than playing for a few minutes in a game that really doesn't count for much.
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Post#1010 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:39 am

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Post#1011 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:29 am

bisme37 wrote:During our win streak the defense has been the best in the NBA by 10 points per 100 possessions. Massive gap between us and the next best defense.

Also averaging 323 passes per game, good for 2nd in the league (during the win streak).

Also we have the best point differential in the NBA since Jan 1st at +11. It was only +1 before that.

Also, Perk admits he was wrong to say the Jays should be broken up. But takes credit for motivating the team with his nonsense haha.

(All this from NBA Today a little earlier.)

Stumbled upon the vid:


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Post#1012 » by Parliament10 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:27 am

What's the deal with carrying only 12 NBA Players?
We can't finish the season like this, right?
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Post#1013 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:38 am

Parliament10 wrote:What's the deal with carrying only 12 NBA Players?
We can't finish the season like this, right?

Smart, Brown, Tatum, Horford, Timelord
PP, Nesmith, White, Grant, Theis
Brodric, Hauser, Kornet

13 players incl. 1 two-way which is allowed for 2 weeks. My guess it has do with salary management. JB can still make All-Star if someone backs out or gets injured so that bonus can still kick in. Since there's no urgency to sign a 14th man, it would be prudent to wait until after ASW.

Ime uses 8 guys anyway. *No injuries please.*
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Post#1014 » by Hal14 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:10 pm

chrisab123 wrote:How many accountants on this board are happy that Allen got picked over Jaylen? Sucks for him though.

You mean Allen got picked over Rob?

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Rob has played in 47 games. Jaylen has played in 44.
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Post#1015 » by Jammer » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:58 pm

Well, during this 8 game win streak Marcus Smart has elevated his game significantly. Whether he can continue to play at this level thru several playoff series against the better teams remains to be seen.

The Celtics seem to have committed to 8 players for next season (Tatum, Brown, Rob W, Marcus Smart, Derrick White, Al Horford, Grant Williams and now Daniel Theis). It will probably keep Horford closer to the 24 mpg that he is most effective at, but still leaves them a bit undersized at Center against the NBA's behemoths.

The biggest question mark, besides how they perform against the best teams, seems to be whether they will be able to get consistent, meaningful contributions from Payton Pritchard, Aaron Nesmith and/or Sam Hauser.

I think we may end seeing a rotation, if all hands are on deck, along the lines of:

C: Rob Williams III 30 mpg, Daniel Theis 18 mpg could end up not burning Rob out if Theis is able to meaningfully contribute

PF: Al Horford 24 mpg, Grant Williams 24 mpg Al doesn't seem to be much good beyond 24 mpg at this stage of his career (say Four 6 minute stints) but he is VERY Impactful during his first 20 minutes

SF: Jayson Tatum 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg places Tatum Against smaller SFs, and not in a primary pick setting role which is NORMALLY expected from PFs, protecting him from a lot of bangs. If Derrick White ends up having to takeover the backup PG role from Pritch come the playoffs then this could open up an opportunity for Nesmith or Hauser

SG: Jaylen Brown 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg

PG: Marcus Smart 36 mpg, Payton Pritchard 12 mpg Can Pritch deliver against the Best Teams as the backup PG?? His defense is suspect but can he get the job done on offense or do they need to bring in a guy from the buyout line or just let Derrick White run the show??
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Post#1016 » by Joshyjess » Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:01 pm

Jammer wrote:Well, during this 8 game win streak Marcus Smart has elevated his game significantly. Whether he can continue to play at this level thru several playoff series against the better teams remains to be seen. The Celtics seem to have committed to 8 players for next season (Tatum, Brown, Rob W, Marcus Smart, Derrick White, Al Horford, Grant Williams and now Daniel Theis). It will probably keep Horford closer to the 24 mpg that he is most effective at, but still leaves them a bit undersized at Center against the NBA's behemoths.

The biggest question mark, besides how they perform against the best teams, seems to be whether they will be able to get consistent, meaningful contributions from Payton Pritchard, Aaron Nesmith and/or Sam Hauser.

I think we may end seeing a rotation, if all hands are on deck, along the lines of:

C: Rob Williams III 30 mpg, Daniel Theis 18 mpg could end up not burning Rob out if Theis is able to meaningfully contribute

PF: Al Horford 24 mpg, Grant Williams 24 mpg Al doesn't seem to be much good beyond 24 mpg at this stage of his career

SF: Jayson Tatum 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg places Tatum Against smaller SFs, and not in a primary pick setting role which is NORMALLY expected from PFs, protecting him from a lot of bangs

SG: Jaylen Brown 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg

PG: Marcus Smart 36 mpg, Payton Pritchard 12 mpg Can Pritch deliver against the Best Teams?? His defense is suspect but can he get the job done on offense or do they need to bring in a guy from the buyout line or just let Derrick White run the show??

One thing I've been surprised to see since the Trade Deadline is White closing out games rather than Al. White is getting a lot of minutes right away, and that has kept Al's minutes down. I imagine that against teams like Philly that have a dominant big, we'll see Al in there instead of White, but I think it's safe to say that Ime prefers White's hustle over what Al offers.
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Post#1017 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:25 pm

Hal14 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:How many accountants on this board are happy that Allen got picked over Jaylen? Sucks for him though.

You mean Allen got picked over Rob?

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Rob has played in 47 games. Jaylen has played in 44.


My 3 thoughts are:

1- RW has a good case.

2 - Next year will be even better I hope/expect

3 - everyone should be ecstatic that RW has stayed relatively healthy all year. His one major concern.
2 things need to go.. my lack of spell check and Joe.. :nod:
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Post#1018 » by playa-hater » Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:30 pm

Joshyjess wrote:
Jammer wrote:Well, during this 8 game win streak Marcus Smart has elevated his game significantly. Whether he can continue to play at this level thru several playoff series against the better teams remains to be seen. The Celtics seem to have committed to 8 players for next season (Tatum, Brown, Rob W, Marcus Smart, Derrick White, Al Horford, Grant Williams and now Daniel Theis). It will probably keep Horford closer to the 24 mpg that he is most effective at, but still leaves them a bit undersized at Center against the NBA's behemoths.

The biggest question mark, besides how they perform against the best teams, seems to be whether they will be able to get consistent, meaningful contributions from Payton Pritchard, Aaron Nesmith and/or Sam Hauser.

I think we may end seeing a rotation, if all hands are on deck, along the lines of:

C: Rob Williams III 30 mpg, Daniel Theis 18 mpg could end up not burning Rob out if Theis is able to meaningfully contribute

PF: Al Horford 24 mpg, Grant Williams 24 mpg Al doesn't seem to be much good beyond 24 mpg at this stage of his career

SF: Jayson Tatum 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg places Tatum Against smaller SFs, and not in a primary pick setting role which is NORMALLY expected from PFs, protecting him from a lot of bangs

SG: Jaylen Brown 36 mpg, Derrick White 12 mpg

PG: Marcus Smart 36 mpg, Payton Pritchard 12 mpg Can Pritch deliver against the Best Teams?? His defense is suspect but can he get the job done on offense or do they need to bring in a guy from the buyout line or just let Derrick White run the show??

One thing I've been surprised to see since the Trade Deadline is White closing out games rather than Al. White is getting a lot of minutes right away, and that has kept Al's minutes down. I imagine that against teams like Philly that have a dominant big, we'll see Al in there instead of White, but I think it's safe to say that Ime prefers White's hustle over what Al offers.


Good point. I like the closing lineup better as well. team defense is better with DW over Al IMO. Team still needs to rebound well enough. Think they can/will.

Offensively, I love the spread out ability of our Core 5 more. (D White as Core #5)
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Re: Official Celtics 2021-22 Season Thread, 2nd Edition 

Post#1019 » by chrisab123 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:30 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:How many accountants on this board are happy that Allen got picked over Jaylen? Sucks for him though.

You mean Allen got picked over Rob?

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Rob has played in 47 games. Jaylen has played in 44.


My 3 thoughts are:

1- RW has a good case.

2 - Next year will be even better I hope/expect

3 - everyone should be ecstatic that RW has stayed relatively healthy all year. His one major concern.


I'd pick Jarrett Allen over Rob too. Numbers aren't too far apart but if you took the names off the list and asked someone to pick one they'd pick the one on the left. I like what Rob is turning into for sure
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Post#1020 » by jmr07019 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:50 pm

Never been a big fan of 538 but if they are saying something I want to hear it must be true

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