Who would you prefer on your team ? Coby or Ayo?

[Doneste33]

Look at this crap defending an 11 PER player.
Talk about dreadful efficiency , my dude.
This is what really agitates me about this group .
It’s so much glass house syndrome .
As we speak Cobe has outscored ANO playing 300 less minutes . So the scoring on volume and just being a more efficient player using PER which is an efficiency rating .

Also I’ve used per 36 to show cobe is more productive . The fact is the vitriol that comes from the ANO apologist and their cobe hate is so polarizing you would think the bulls hadn’t squandered the 1st seed recently . This isn’t all about cobe, it’s their last bastion to deflect he has been a tank commander vs .500 while PROVIDING NOTHING OF VALUE AND COULD BE REPLACED BY PRACTICALLY anybody on the roster . Cobe happens to be collateral damage .

This is the same type of reaction you would get if I slandered somebody like Caruso . It’s the media circus kids that warrant this type of gung ho swarm of apologist . Also revisionist history , an absolute lack of accountability regarding the point in question which is trash starts vs .500 teams.
Btw I don’t care he went to Illinois or whatever weird fan accommodations .
He is an 11 PER player you can get that anywhere so I think these apologist need to get their mind right .
If I wanted to trash Vuc or Zach or even derozan I would probably have an army behind me. Not for Ayo or Caruso though . They are untouchable . It’s sad.

Sure. I can't take anything you say seriously until you get COBY'S name right.... And even if you did, most of it is nonsense anyway.

Coby is a nickname and I chose to spell it the way I like . Youre not his mom so get over it.

He sure isnt "Jacobe" White though.

And with all due respect, you are being a little stubborn to say the least. You are reaching the stage of trying to counter the entire board to show a point. (You could be right or wrong, it doesnt matter, but your attitude is very defensive, like taking everything personal)

[Nuntius]

I bet that the OP didn't expect Ayo to win the poll by a landslide. It's up to 89% right now

[LivingLegend]

Ive been following this thread for days and still dont know who Ayo is.

[Nuntius]

There's a reason why this guy is on the foe list for the majority of the Bulls board.

And there’s a reason why that boards narrative is mostly driven by lower ranked posters,
Which to me is not acceptable .

What do you mean by "lower ranked posters"?

[bearadonisdna]

There's a reason why this guy is on the foe list for the majority of the Bulls board.

And there’s a reason why that boards narrative is mostly driven by lower ranked posters,
Which to me is not acceptable .

What do you mean by "lower ranked posters"?

Non realgms and novices driving narrative .

[Nuntius]

And there’s a reason why that boards narrative is mostly driven by lower ranked posters,
Which to me is not acceptable .

What do you mean by "lower ranked posters"?

Non realgms and novices driving narrative .

So? Why is that an issue?

[bearadonisdna]

What do you mean by "lower ranked posters"?

Non realgms and novices driving narrative .

So? Why is that an issue?

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

[Nuntius]

Non realgms and novices driving narrative .

So? Why is that an issue?

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

I vehemently disagree. The quality of one's posts has absolutely nothing to do with their post count. It is all about the post's contents. Just because you have a higher post count than someone else, it doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong.

[chitownsports4ever]

This thread is funny because the answer is obvious

If you wanted a scoring guard with a solid 3pt stroke who can handle the ball you would pick Coby

If you wanted a PG who could defend you would pick Ayo


Ayo is 22 and Coby is 21 and they both will have a chance to get some valuable playoff experience in a few weeks and take that into the summer top help work on their games . They are so far from finished products right now I dont think picking one over the other at this point is a knock on either player .

[bearadonisdna]

So? Why is that an issue?

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

I vehemently disagree. The quality of one's posts has absolutely nothing to do with their post count. It is all about the post's contents. Just because you have a higher post count than someone else, it doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong.

That’s ok point taken . Just imagine take into account the quality of your post as a beginner vs now . Would you say it has gotten better , worse , or no change . Final thing: while I did mention my opinion on that topic it is just an observation on my part so if you disagree I respect that . , I will not call you an idiot . Or say it’s the worst take ever on this board. You know things like that. And we can focus on the basketball aspect not posters .

[Nuntius]

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

I vehemently disagree. The quality of one's posts has absolutely nothing to do with their post count. It is all about the post's contents. Just because you have a higher post count than someone else, it doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong.

That’s ok point taken . Just imagine take into account the quality of your post as a beginner vs now . Would you say it has gotten better , worse , or no change .

Personally, I wouldn't say that it has changed significantly.

Final thing: while I did mention my opinion on that topic it is just an observation on my part so if you disagree I respect that . , I will not call you an idiot . Or say it’s the worst take ever on this board. You know things like that. And we can focus on the basketball aspect not posters .

Yes, I can agree with that. When you disagree with someone's post, you attack the post itself, not the poster.

That said, you do seem to have an issue with a lot of people in the Bulls board. And when a whole board takes an issue with a particular poster then there's usually some reason for that (such as this poster being perceived as a troll by the residents of that board). I'm not a mod on the Bulls board, though, so I'm in no position to judge here.

[bearadonisdna]

I vehemently disagree. The quality of one's posts has absolutely nothing to do with their post count. It is all about the post's contents. Just because you have a higher post count than someone else, it doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong.

That’s ok point taken . Just imagine take into account the quality of your post as a beginner vs now . Would you say it has gotten better , worse , or no change .

Personally, I wouldn't say that it has changed significantly.

Final thing: while I did mention my opinion on that topic it is just an observation on my part so if you disagree I respect that . , I will not call you an idiot . Or say it’s the worst take ever on this board. You know things like that. And we can focus on the basketball aspect not posters .

Yes, I can agree with that. When you disagree with someone's post, you attack the post itself, not the poster.

That said, you do seem to have an issue with a lot of people in the Bulls board. And when a whole board takes an issue with a particular poster then there's usually some reason for that (such as this poster being perceived as a troll by the residents of that board). I'm not a mod on the Bulls board, though, so I'm in no position to judge here.

Dude you brought it up and I tried to deflect it and currently just received a message about restricted access despite not being on that board for days .

They couldn’t take the heat.

[Los Bullies]

Non realgms and novices driving narrative .

So? Why is that an issue?

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

To open up your eyes a little bit, there are many people on this board that have been lurkers for years and years like myself (been visiting realGM since the Baby Bulls with Chandler, Curry, JWIll etc. Just because I never made an account earlier or have posted much, doesn't mean I cannot be a knowledgeable fan.

To answer who would I want on my team? That would depend on what I need. Both play different roles currently for the Bulls so this is hard to say.

Better overall basketball player I would lean towards Ayo but not by much.
Ayo's defense is solid with his wingspan. His vision has been surprising with a couple of 10+ assists games now, and he's not afraid of the moment which is impressive for a rook. I didn't know or think Ayo would fill in nicely for this Bulls team as a needed PG.

When Coby gets hot, it's a beauty to watch. Coby has grown from last year. Coby was bad as a pg especially when being trapped and he would have to get rid of the ball. It was hard to watch because of all the deflections we saw. I have seen improvement in this area and Coby's defense has gotten better as of late putting up his hands straight up like Caruso does . His reaction time and fighting off screens has been improved this year. Kudos for him putting in the work. If I need a six man off the bench, Coby is awesome to have. Seems like a very likeable guy in the locker room and when he talks in front of the media as well. It's hard to root against him.

[bearadonisdna]

So? Why is that an issue?

It’s not best content as you can imagine . Inexperienced judgements , narratives , discussion , analysis the list goes on and on .
Which is fair but it becomes polarizing when more established and experienced posters try to contribute .

It’s like the Audio video guy having the podium in the war room on draft day. It’s like bro thanks for the input but take your seat.

To open up your eyes a little bit, there are many people on this board that have been lurkers for years and years like myself (been visiting realGM since the Baby Bulls with Chandler, Curry, JWIll etc. Just because I never made an account earlier or have posted much, doesn't mean I cannot be a knowledgeable fan.

To answer who would I want on my team? That would depend on what I need. Both play different roles currently for the Bulls so this is hard to say.

Better overall basketball player I would lean towards Ayo but not by much.
Ayo's defense is solid with his wingspan. His vision has been surprising with a couple of 10+ assists games now, and he's not afraid of the moment which is impressive for a rook. I didn't know or think Ayo would fill in nicely for this Bulls team as a needed PG.

When Coby gets hot, it's a beauty to watch. Coby has grown from last year. Coby was bad as a pg especially when being trapped and he would have to get rid of the ball. It was hard to watch because of all the deflections we saw. I have seen improvement in this area and Coby's defense has gotten better as of late putting up his hands straight up like Caruso does . His reaction time and fighting off screens has been improved this year. Kudos for him putting in the work. If I need a six man off the bench, Coby is awesome to have. Seems like a very likeable guy in the locker room and when he talks in front of the media as well. It's hard to root against him.

Sorry got the skip the stuff about posters and content. That was a bait job by Nuntius so I already reached out to Mr. Mass.

Beside that , you have 1 of the least arrogant and condescending viewpoints and perspectives of the whole thread .

That being said it’s probably because I’ve shown the light that cobe is not only better with big 3 , but twice as good .
And also better with the 5 man lineup with their usual starters .
Others just scoff and claim their basketball knowledge by accosting my point view just because A. they like the player or B. value an obscure attribute more.

The opposing narrative kinda getting ethered the more we discuss it.

[CP War Hawks]

When Ayo measured 6-5 in shoes and with nearly a plus 7 in wingspan, that profile shouldn't have made it 8 picks going into the 2nd round.

With that, he should be one of the more NBA ready prospects considering age. Solid numbers for a rook, but nothing that screams starter long term.

[Nuntius]

That’s ok point taken . Just imagine take into account the quality of your post as a beginner vs now . Would you say it has gotten better , worse , or no change .

Personally, I wouldn't say that it has changed significantly.

Final thing: while I did mention my opinion on that topic it is just an observation on my part so if you disagree I respect that . , I will not call you an idiot . Or say it’s the worst take ever on this board. You know things like that. And we can focus on the basketball aspect not posters .

Yes, I can agree with that. When you disagree with someone's post, you attack the post itself, not the poster.

That said, you do seem to have an issue with a lot of people in the Bulls board. And when a whole board takes an issue with a particular poster then there's usually some reason for that (such as this poster being perceived as a troll by the residents of that board). I'm not a mod on the Bulls board, though, so I'm in no position to judge here.

Dude you brought it up and I tried to deflect it and currently just received a message about restricted access despite not being on that board for days .

They couldn’t take the heat.

I brought it up? What? No, you were the one who started talking about "novice posters" and acting like the title under your name matters. That was all you. Own up to it.

[bearadonisdna]

Personally, I wouldn't say that it has changed significantly.



Yes, I can agree with that. When you disagree with someone's post, you attack the post itself, not the poster.

That said, you do seem to have an issue with a lot of people in the Bulls board. And when a whole board takes an issue with a particular poster then there's usually some reason for that (such as this poster being perceived as a troll by the residents of that board). I'm not a mod on the Bulls board, though, so I'm in no position to judge here.

Dude you brought it up and I tried to deflect it and currently just received a message about restricted access despite not being on that board for days .

They couldn’t take the heat.

I brought it up? What? No, you were the one who started talking about "novice posters" and acting like the title under your name matters. That was all you. Own up to it.

nice bait job dude.own up to it.

[cool007]

Minor debate on the bulls board . Not gonna coach or even put much context . Not who is better ? Which player would you rather have on your team like in a trade .

Really OP?? There is no debate on the Bulls board.

Ayo is a better player today, long-term and you putting this here where most teams fans just don't know who the hell Ayo is.

Ayo is simply better than 1-dimentional Coby and it's end of that.

Coby when he is hot, he can be as good as anyone scoring/shooting. But that's few and far in between. Coby will get multiple 6th man of the year votes on many years though. That's his best role.

[bearadonisdna]

Minor debate on the bulls board . Not gonna coach or even put much context . Not who is better ? Which player would you rather have on your team like in a trade .

Really OP?? There is no debate on the Bulls board.

Ayo is a better player today, long-term and you putting this here where most teams fans just don't know who the hell Ayo is.

Ayo is simply better than 1-dimentional Coby and it's end of that.

Coby when he is hot, he can be as good as anyone scoring/shooting. But that's few and far in between. Coby will get multiple 6th man of the year votes on many years though. That's his best role.

This guy sounds like Billy donovan, so what at point does playing the better player equate into worser results?
because that seems to be the popular narrative in bulls land.
Yea it not debate, i prefer the player that makes the team play better. You guys oppose that view. yesterdays news to me,

[Madhouse]

When Ayo measured 6-5 in shoes and with nearly a plus 7 in wingspan, that profile shouldn't have made it 8 picks going into the 2nd round.

With that, he should be one of the more NBA ready prospects considering age. Solid numbers for a rook, but nothing that screams starter long term.

He definitely has at least solid starter potential in my mind.