Zach likely out until after All-Star break--KC

[MrSparkle]

I'm sure Zach won't go nuts in the all-star game. This is a jog around and dunk / shoot 3s type competition not a serious effort.

The news overall on Zach's knee is obviously concerning though and concerning long term.

He's missed a good chunk of time every year since his ACL, and we've generally tossed it up to "we're tanking" but I think there is certainly some longevity concern here. Not that it changes anything except making you worry more because you're still going to pay him.

I mentioned this above but I am not seeing the big chunks of time missed. In 2020 he missed 5 out of 65 games. In 2021 he missed 14 games but 11 of them were due to COVID (I think) and then he missed 2 meaningless games at the end of the season. This year he'll have missed 12 games including the last 2, but 5 of them were also COVID related.

So we're looking at 13 games missed due to non-COVID injuries over the last 3 seasons. I might be missing something, I have to be honest and admit I didn't follow the Bulls super closely the last couple of years...knew what was going on day to day but I wasn't too emotionally invested (GarPax + little kids = rearranging priorities).

I kind of agree. He’s been one the healthiest Bulls since his ACL.

But this is second season in a row where he started the season looking unbelievable, and come TD/ASG, he started playing through some nagging injuries and seeing a serious drop off in efficiency and defense. He wasn’t the same player last year after March, and he hasn’t been the same this month. Probably pushing himself too hard and playing through pain in the first quarter of the schedule, and it doesn’t pay off in an 82 game season.

[Devinpo]

I just hope it’s soreness and not a nagging problem that will be problematic

[umfan83]

I'm sure Zach won't go nuts in the all-star game. This is a jog around and dunk / shoot 3s type competition not a serious effort.

The news overall on Zach's knee is obviously concerning though and concerning long term.

He's missed a good chunk of time every year since his ACL, and we've generally tossed it up to "we're tanking" but I think there is certainly some longevity concern here. Not that it changes anything except making you worry more because you're still going to pay him.

I mentioned this above but I am not seeing the big chunks of time missed. In 2020 he missed 5 out of 65 games. In 2021 he missed 14 games but 11 of them were due to COVID (I think) and then he missed 2 meaningless games at the end of the season. This year he'll have missed 12 games including the last 2, but 5 of them were also COVID related.

So we're looking at 13 games missed due to non-COVID injuries over the last 3 seasons. I might be missing something, I have to be honest and admit I didn't follow the Bulls super closely the last couple of years...knew what was going on day to day but I wasn't too emotionally invested (GarPax + little kids = rearranging priorities).

I kind of agree. He’s been one the healthiest Bulls since his ACL.

But this is second season in a row where he started the season looking unbelievable, and come TD/ASG, he started playing through some nagging injuries and seeing a serious drop off in efficiency and defense. He wasn’t the same player last year after March, and he hasn’t been the same this month. Probably pushing himself too hard and playing through pain in the first quarter of the schedule, and it doesn’t pay off in an 82 game season.

Really good point. There is a difference between playing and playing while injured. All the credit in the world for playing with nagging injuries but if its affecting his performance that should be taken into consideration when evaluating his injury history.

[khufure]

take your time Zach.

[MalagaBulls]

wow this is tough. He's a great dude, he's a hard worker and he wants to be here

but a 5 year max $$ and this injury history just seem like a recipe for disaster.

there will be a new TV contract and maybe we'll get more cap space.
we have ayo and williams on the cheap for a few more years.

tough call for AK.
I wonder what other teams will be offering....

Here are the numbers next year if we could somehow lure Bobby P back. He is killing it from 3pt range on decent volume the last 2 years.

[sco]

wow this is tough. He's a great dude, he's a hard worker and he wants to be here

but a 5 year max $$ and this injury history just seem like a recipe for disaster.

there will be a new TV contract and maybe we'll get more cap space.
we have ayo and williams on the cheap for a few more years.

tough call for AK.
I wonder what other teams will be offering....

Here are the numbers next year if we could somehow lure Bobby P back. He is killing it from 3pt range on decent volume the last 2 years.

Yeah, I miss BP, but he's not coming back. If he left MIL, it would be for a guaranteed starting gig and $20M+ per year. I guess if we trade Vuc in the offseason, maybe.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

It’s Zach’s call obviously, but if you’re wincing from pain to your knee (and back) after routine plays, it strikes me that you should probably skip the AS game even though it’s played at 75% speed.

We’ll see though. I’m guessing the league has been informally put on notice that he may be a late scratch.

[Triple M]

Time to rebuild, it's the same knee that ended his season years ago.

This board man

Do NOT read the wiretap comments, some are actually wishing/hoping the Spoelstra play Lavine big minutes so that he gets injured (more), including an ex-poster from this board.

Ridiculous.

still cant forgive Nurse playing Kemba all those mins on a bum knee.

[boundbymusic]

It’s Zach’s call obviously, but if you’re wincing from pain to your knee (and back) after routine plays, it strikes me that you should probably skip the AS game even though it’s played at 75% speed.

We’ll see though. I’m guessing the league has been informally put on notice that he may be a late scratch.

I could see him participating in the 3pt Contest but not the game. Still allows him to be involved in the weekend in some capacity.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

It’s Zach’s call obviously, but if you’re wincing from pain to your knee (and back) after routine plays, it strikes me that you should probably skip the AS game even though it’s played at 75% speed.

We’ll see though. I’m guessing the league has been informally put on notice that he may be a late scratch.

I could see him participating in the 3pt Contest but not the game. Still allows him to be involved in the weekend in some capacity.

That sounds reasonable.

[umfan83]

Everything we hear continues to be positive:

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[tedwilliams1999]

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This is great news on the medical front - the fact they're confident that there's no structural issues. This means that Lavine probably won't need an arthroscopy for a diagnosis.

I guess just rest up and see if the swelling can be managed moving forward.

[mtron32]

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This is great news on the medical front - the fact they're confident that there's no structural issues. This means that Lavine probably won't need an arthroscopy for a diagnosis.

I guess just rest up and see if the swelling can be managed moving forward.

Load management time

[Michael Jackson]

Question, can NBA players use CBD for swelling or will they test positive on a drug test? Full spectrum I am sure would test positive but are there some versions that won't? I use a CBD cream for swelling and pain and it works really well.

[jacoby1us]

They feel confident on the Structural part of his knee, what about the ligaments? I believe I heard Stacy King say that Zach is hearing clicking and his knee is locking up. This could be bad, those symptoms are quite similar to my ACL tear. Hoping for the best, but I wouldn’t be surprised with our luck.

Wishing you a full recovery regardless, rest up Zach.

[Mbrahv0528]

This board man

Do NOT read the wiretap comments, some are actually wishing/hoping the Spoelstra play Lavine big minutes so that he gets injured (more), including an ex-poster from this board.

Ridiculous.

I wouldn’t take anything that poster writes seriously.

Where can I find these comments? I want to see who it is. Link?

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[Mbrahv0528]

Deng. He’s the only example of the Bulls rushing someone back, but it’s a pretty extreme example a bad look for the franchise. At least back then. Not sure how much it really means today after we went 180 degrees the other way with Rose.

That was the GarPax regime and doctors. All of those guys are gone. I want to know when during this regime has this happened?

Just a few days ago Ayo played with an undiagnosed concussion. But yeah I don't know about too many examples during AKME's tenure but there is some continuity from the previous regime with Chip Schaefer. I honestly don't know his role and how it relates to injury diagnosis and clearing. It says he's a performance trainer so maybe that's not even his realm.

Undiagnosed? Was it not disclosed right after the game that he had a concussion? I'm confused on your time-line?

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[umfan83]

That was the GarPax regime and doctors. All of those guys are gone. I want to know when during this regime has this happened?

Just a few days ago Ayo played with an undiagnosed concussion. But yeah I don't know about too many examples during AKME's tenure but there is some continuity from the previous regime with Chip Schaefer. I honestly don't know his role and how it relates to injury diagnosis and clearing. It says he's a performance trainer so maybe that's not even his realm.

Undiagnosed? Was it not disclosed right after the game that he had a concussion? I'm confused on your time-line?

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Maybe I misread but I thought he suffered the concussion against Philly and then played the next day when everyone said he looked off. Then it was announced he’d miss the next game with a concussion.

[FriedRise]

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[sco]

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I'll be optimistic that it's not serious. I had the same symptoms from tendonitis. Good that he's getting it looked at by a fresh set of eyes.