All empty stats team

[Nazrmohamed]

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SG - Bradley Beal
PF/C - Julius Randle

Yeah we gotta move Woods to C to make room for Randle at PF. And I'm not sure Westbrook should be on this list because empty stats would almost be a compliment for him. He's been downgraded to just straight up washed. I'll leave that up to you guys but so far

Westbrook
Beal
?
Randle
Woods

What do you guys think of Jeremy Grant at SF?

[jazzfan1971]

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Julius Randle
C: Rudy Gobert

Where does this stat breakdown come from? Link?

[Feed Your Head]

PG: Damian Lillard
SG: Bradley Beal
SF: Jayson Tatum
PF: Julius Randle
C: Rudy Gobert

Where does this stat breakdown come from? Link?

Bball index’s paid subscription, it’s awesome. Can see the numbers here, just not the percentile and grade.

https://www.bball-index.com/2021-22-lebron-data/

[jazzfan1971]

Not sure how Gobert got on that list either. His stats are anything but empty.

[Triple M]

Dude, I'm saying the forum is about fun for me, not that the stats or a relation with empty stats.

But if the stats say a guy is valuable but he fails his team on the big stage, than, for me its empty.

Not the most popular opinion, but for me just the title matters, theres no pride in the second place.

When did Tatum fail the Celtics on the big stage???

[username_taken]

Dude, I'm saying the forum is about fun for me, not that the stats or a relation with empty stats.

But if the stats say a guy is valuable but he fails his team on the big stage, than, for me its empty.

Not the most popular opinion, but for me just the title matters, theres no pride in the second place.

When did Tatum fail the Celtics on the big stage???

He’s had far more postseason success than a lot of his peers, such a strange narrative

[_qubik]

Dude, I'm saying the forum is about fun for me, not that the stats or a relation with empty stats.

But if the stats say a guy is valuable but he fails his team on the big stage, than, for me its empty.

Not the most popular opinion, but for me just the title matters, theres no pride in the second place.

When did Tatum fail the Celtics on the big stage???

He’s had far more postseason success than a lot of his peers, such a strange narrative

I see no success without titles

[PennSports]

lol people still believe in empty stats

i mean all you have to do is watch Tobias Harris play for this to be confirmed as a thing

[AbeVigodaLive]

When did Tatum fail the Celtics on the big stage???

He’s had far more postseason success than a lot of his peers, such a strange narrative

I see no success without titles

This is true.

There is literally no difference between a guy leading a team that wins 60+ games and loses by one point in Game 7 of the NBA Finals... and the guy who leads a team to a 15 - 67 record.

Not a single difference at all. That's why I have Robert Horry ranked as the 7th best player in NBA history and Karl Malone and John Stockton as empty stats nobodies, ranked at #822 and #837 respectively. Charles Barkley is #917.

[Saint Lazarus]

Westbrook
Jaylen Brown
Jayson Tatum
Montrez Harrell
Bol Bol

6th man: Shroeder

Somebody has their panties all up in a bunch over the Celtics

OP admitted that he hasn’t watched the Celtics at all this year but somehow he put 3 Celtics on there

[The Rebel]

SF - Lebron James

That's like saying Michael Jordan was an empty statter. Or Magic or Wilt.
obvious youre just blinded by hate smh

I don't remember ever watching Jordan or Magic playing the last few minutes of games where the either team was down by over 20 points chasing stats, but maybe I am misremembering. I do however see it with Lebron pretty much every time he team is way down.

[SA37]

G: Westbrook / Schroder
G: THT / M Carter Williams (not sure if he is still in the league) or Coby White
F: T Harris / M Porter Jr
F: Zion / Bagley
C: Whiteside / Hernangomez (both)

Lots of contenders on the Magic and Rockets.

[Slax]

I prefer fun, and I dont like Tatum and the Celtics, if they go far and lose with great numbers, I will be pretty happy.

Dont need a high level essay to post on a basketball forum, it should be about fun.

I'm simple, one guy make his team win titles and go far he is good, Tatum isnt on this level, doesnt matter what the numbers say

What the hell does fun have to do with empty stats? So if a guys boring (not saying Tatum is) that equates to empty Stats because you don’t find his play style aesthetically pleasing?

There’s tons of guys who are boring as hell to watch but have a huge impact on games. Also you can have a huge impact on games and still lose. Somehow it’s misconstrued that losses automatically = empty stats.

Dude, I'm saying the forum is about fun for me, not that the stats or a relation with empty stats.

But if the stats say a guy is valuable but he fails his team on the big stage, than, for me its empty.

Not the most popular opinion, but for me just the title matters, theres no pride in the second place.

So true, this is why my all empty stats team is Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, James Harden, Luka Doncic, and Nikola Jokic.

[toooskies]

Not nearly enough Collin Sexton in this thread, but that's what happens when you miss most of the year with injury. 20ppg career scoring average but negative career VORP.

[Ugly0598]

PG - Westbrook / Fox
SG - Beal / Hield
SF - Jerami Grant
PF - Christian Wood / Jonas Valanciunas
C - Towns / Hassan Whiteside

[NYPiston]

KAT was the king of empty stats for years. Drummond was the prince.
That's if you believe in such a thing as "empty stats".

[Invictus88]

Not sure I get all the Drummond votes. He’s a backup averaging 6ppg 8rpg in 18mpg: how empty could those stats be? He’s a legitimately elite rebounder: it’s not like he’s stealing boards from his teammates like Westbrook. And he’s been a great locker room guy while we had him in Philly.

I think people are mostly referring to his top rebounding seasons.

I think if people looked at those seasons and thought he was a star, that would have been on them. But his stats those years told exactly who he was: a historically great rebounder and an average scorer.

You obviously didn't see him play.

His rebounds came at the cost of rebounds from his teammates. He even admitted in an interview tgat he purposely elbowed his teammate in the face because they were stealing 'his' rebounds.

Of the rebounds he got there were 2 categories that made up the majority:
- uncontested defensive boards where teammates would just cede the rebound to him.
- rebounds from his own missed layups and putbacks. Nearly all of his offensive rebounds were from these. He would need 2 or three attempts just to make layups. This happened a few times each game.

For a historic rebounder he is shockingly bad at rebounding fundamentals like boxing out. He also is incredibly lazy on defense for large stretches of the game.

It's also telling that a team including a historic rebounder (the Pistons) were a subpar rebounding team as a whole for most of his tenure there. How on earth does that happen? Because he's vulturing them mostly from his teammates.

He was paid to leave 2 teams (Detroit and Cleveland). He was benched by the Lakers in what should have been his most important game of his career because of how badly he played the game before.
He then signed for the league minimum the next year.

3 teams learned the hard way just how empty his stats really were.

[loserX]

SF - Lebron James

That's like saying Michael Jordan was an empty statter. Or Magic or Wilt.
obvious youre just blinded by hate smh

I don't remember ever watching Jordan or Magic playing the last few minutes of games where the either team was down by over 20 points chasing stats, but maybe I am misremembering. I do however see it with Lebron pretty much every time he team is way down.

LeBron also has 4 regular season MVPs and 4 finals MVPs. Hard to imagine anyone would seriously and legitimately think there are ZERO small forwards in history with emptier stats than him.

[blargh]

I think people are mostly referring to his top rebounding seasons.

I think if people looked at those seasons and thought he was a star, that would have been on them. But his stats those years told exactly who he was: a historically great rebounder and an average scorer.

You obviously didn't see him play.

His rebounds came at the cost of rebounds from his teammates. He even admitted in an interview tgat he purposely elbowed his teammate in the face because they were stealing 'his' rebounds.

Of the rebounds he got there were 2 categories that made up the majority:
- uncontested defensive boards where teammates would just cede the rebound to him.
- rebounds from his own missed layups and putbacks. Nearly all of his offensive rebounds were from these. He would need 2 or three attempts just to make layups. This happened a few times each game.

For a historic rebounder he is shockingly bad at rebounding fundamentals like boxing out. He also is incredibly lazy on defense for large stretches of the game.

It's also telling that a team including a historic rebounder (the Pistons) were a subpar rebounding team as a whole for most of his tenure there. How on earth does that happen? Because he's vulturing them mostly from his teammates.

He was paid to leave 2 teams (Detroit and Cleveland). He was benched by the Lakers in what should have been his most important game of his career because of how badly he played the game before.
He then signed for the league minimum the next year.

3 teams learned the hard way just how empty his stats really were.

I watched him sporadically over the years, and then I watched every game he played this year as a Sixer.

But there’s no reason to discuss this subjectively: the NBA tracks contested vs uncontested rebounds. If, as you say, Drummond is stealing rebounds from teammates or picking up free bunnies off his misses, he should have a lower than normal proportion of contested rebounds to total rebounds. But his percentage is fairly typical for a big man, about 48%. If you want to talk about guys stealing rebounds, I’d look at Giannis or Julius Randle, who are contested on 31-32% of their rebounds.

By the way, an even greater portion of Drummond’s rebounds were contested in his peak years, over 50%.

So again: I’m not sayin he’s a star. He’s an average scorer, and a limited defender. But his stats have said that for years: he’s no longer trying to play outside of his role on offense. What he is is a great rebounder, and it’s pretty silly to argue otherwise.

[SF_Warriors]

When did Tatum fail the Celtics on the big stage???

He’s had far more postseason success than a lot of his peers, such a strange narrative

I see no success without titles

How many 23 year olds have titles??

Having no titles does not correlate to having empty stats. By your logic, CP3 is an empty stats player because he has no title.