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GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22]

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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#81 » by Runner300 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:00 am

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Dolevi wrote:
80sballboy wrote:Deni Rodman with 14 rebounds.

Finished with a Double Double and a career high of 15 boards, impressive. I hope he will continue being agressive and fearless like tonight, taking the ball and create for himself / others, he can do that he's smart and has the physicality to be dangerous. Just keep with this confidence and take your shots. I loved also his passing game, sometimes he brings in flashy passes that wows you and make easy buckets for the team. I bet players love to play around him. His playmaking skills are very promising.


I think the injury last year really set him back and this season, maybe the first half, he was still a rookie. He's shooting around 30% from three-point range and hitting 75% of his free throws. That means he's going in the right direction. I'm glad he's going to get 25-30 mpg over the last 26 games at every position other than probably center. I think there are five things he needs to do in the offseason to get to that next level:

1)Gain 10 pounds of muscle. I know he put on some weight from last season, but this is a tough league. It never hurts to add some strength.
2) Left-hand dribble, left-hand drives. He goes 99% to his right and that's fine for now, but if he faked right, crossed over and went left against bigger players or guys his size, he could get to the rim easier.
3)Stop whining after every call that goes against you. It's not going to help you get more calls with the refs, who probably don't respect you as a young player.
4)Of course, keep working on your three-point shot.
5)ABC: Always Be Confident (or closing). :D


Gaining weight would make him slower and increase load on his knees and ankles.
His main priority for the rest of season would be IMHO staying healthy until summer, when he can develop his game further.
For now - increase %USG, and play Point Guard/Point Forward as much as possible.
Go easy on defense (what's the point, really?) and lose the keys to the gym.
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#83 » by ElectricMayhem » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:51 am

80sballboy wrote:Luv Ish in this postgame on NBC Sports Washington. How can you not love this guy? Tommy knew what he was doing to get this guy in here and it was more about the locker room, than it was for talent.


Ish is one of my favorite Pistons from the past 12ish years. Not that there are many Pistons to like in the past 12ish years....
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#84 » by dlts20 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:13 pm

I think that you guys are making the Beal thing to black and white. 1st off I think that we are better without Spencer/Bertans, and better without the locker room cancers of Spencer and Harrell.

Even more so, Beal just hasn't been that good this year so of course we look better and are more fun to watch but I don't think that you would have said that any other season. Basically I'm just saying that we have to get Beal back to playing well. It's like the Lakers. It's easy to say that they are more fun to watch without AD or something like that but the main fact is that AD is just playing average. It's not about the Wiz team being better without Beal. It's about Beal not being a All Star this year but I still say that overall I trust that he's closer to the player he was last season than this season. Only time will tell
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#85 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:42 pm

Runner300 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Dolevi wrote:Finished with a Double Double and a career high of 15 boards, impressive. I hope he will continue being agressive and fearless like tonight, taking the ball and create for himself / others, he can do that he's smart and has the physicality to be dangerous. Just keep with this confidence and take your shots. I loved also his passing game, sometimes he brings in flashy passes that wows you and make easy buckets for the team. I bet players love to play around him. His playmaking skills are very promising.


I think the injury last year really set him back and this season, maybe the first half, he was still a rookie. He's shooting around 30% from three-point range and hitting 75% of his free throws. That means he's going in the right direction. I'm glad he's going to get 25-30 mpg over the last 26 games at every position other than probably center. I think there are five things he needs to do in the offseason to get to that next level:

1)Gain 10 pounds of muscle. I know he put on some weight from last season, but this is a tough league. It never hurts to add some strength.
2) Left-hand dribble, left-hand drives. He goes 99% to his right and that's fine for now, but if he faked right, crossed over and went left against bigger players or guys his size, he could get to the rim easier.
3)Stop whining after every call that goes against you. It's not going to help you get more calls with the refs, who probably don't respect you as a young player.
4)Of course, keep working on your three-point shot.
5)ABC: Always Be Confident (or closing). :D


Gaining weight would make him slower and increase load on his knees and ankles.
His main priority for the rest of season would be IMHO staying healthy until summer, when he can develop his game further.
For now - increase %USG, and play Point Guard/Point Forward as much as possible.
Go easy on defense (what's the point, really?) and lose the keys to the gym.

Yeah, I don't think he needs to get heavier. If any body change is made, just lower the body fat % a bit. Agreed that he argues too much - especially after he clearly fouls a player.

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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#86 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:46 pm

nate33 wrote:Neto with a couple of huge buckets to close it out. Where are all the haters, now?

He made 2 cloddish plays before those 2 buckets. He was really hogging the ball in that stretch, but I guess he saw the Detroit D was inept and tried to take advantage.
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#87 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 15, 2022 1:53 pm

80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:
80sballboy wrote:Thomas Bryant with defense. God, I hope not.

Thomas Bryant with defense would probably be an All-Star.


Thomas Bryant before the ACL or after? He's shooting 49.4% from the floor in 13 games. His shooting numbers are not remotely close to even last season in 10 games, when he shot 65% from the field and 43% from beyond the arc. He was on his way to becoming a very good offensive center before the ACL and sure, defense was bad. He was also rebounding better.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3934723/thomas-bryant

I think he needed to have a good game and failed. With both Gafford and Porz ready to play, he hasn't done enough to keep a significant amount of minutes going forward.
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#88 » by Frichuela » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:00 pm

Ruzious wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:Thomas Bryant with defense would probably be an All-Star.


Thomas Bryant before the ACL or after? He's shooting 49.4% from the floor in 13 games. His shooting numbers are not remotely close to even last season in 10 games, when he shot 65% from the field and 43% from beyond the arc. He was on his way to becoming a very good offensive center before the ACL and sure, defense was bad. He was also rebounding better.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3934723/thomas-bryant

I think he needed to have a good game and failed. With both Gafford and Porz ready to play, he hasn't done enough to keep a significant amount of minutes going forward.


Agreed. His D is very bad…difficult to compete in this league with him at center. Unless the real plan is to tank of course :lol:
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#89 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:08 pm

Ruzious wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
nate33 wrote:Thomas Bryant with defense would probably be an All-Star.


Thomas Bryant before the ACL or after? He's shooting 49.4% from the floor in 13 games. His shooting numbers are not remotely close to even last season in 10 games, when he shot 65% from the field and 43% from beyond the arc. He was on his way to becoming a very good offensive center before the ACL and sure, defense was bad. He was also rebounding better.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3934723/thomas-bryant

I think he needed to have a good game and failed. With both Gafford and Porz ready to play, he hasn't done enough to keep a significant amount of minutes going forward.

If we have any sense at all, we will only play Porzingis for a few games just to see what we are working with, and then we will shut him down. At the very least, we should load manage him a great deal. Sit him every 4th game and play Bryant in his place.
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Post#90 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 15, 2022 2:09 pm

Frichuela wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
80sballboy wrote:
Thomas Bryant before the ACL or after? He's shooting 49.4% from the floor in 13 games. His shooting numbers are not remotely close to even last season in 10 games, when he shot 65% from the field and 43% from beyond the arc. He was on his way to becoming a very good offensive center before the ACL and sure, defense was bad. He was also rebounding better.
https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3934723/thomas-bryant

I think he needed to have a good game and failed. With both Gafford and Porz ready to play, he hasn't done enough to keep a significant amount of minutes going forward.


Agreed. His D is very bad…difficult to compete in this league with him at center. Unless the real plan is to tank of course :lol:

But his offense could carry him before, and he's not getting it done well enough at that end. And he's now got 2 guys ahead of him.
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Re: GT #56: Pistons @ Bullets 7 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) [2/14/22] 

Post#91 » by Nigel Tufnel » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:17 pm

Deni is decent, but last night showed that Bey and Stewart are just two players I wish the Wiz had drafted instead, along with Haliburton, Maxey or Bane.
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Post#92 » by pcbothwel » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:27 pm

Nigel Tufnel wrote:Deni is decent, but last night showed that Bey and Stewart are just two players I wish the Wiz had drafted instead, along with Haliburton, Maxey or Bane.


Lol... The latter 3 were all on my wish list, but to actually think Bey and Stewart are better than Deni is ridiculous. Deni is better than both players, on both sides of the ball, while having more upside than either.

Detroit is garbage and they are letting their young players get a lot of burn (And shots).
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Post#93 » by TGW » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:54 pm

Here we go with the blatant silly homerism. :roll:
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Post#94 » by nate33 » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:04 pm

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Nigel Tufnel wrote:Deni is decent, but last night showed that Bey and Stewart are just two players I wish the Wiz had drafted instead, along with Haliburton, Maxey or Bane.


Lol... The latter 3 were all on my wish list, but to actually think Bey and Stewart are better than Deni is ridiculous. Deni is better than both players, on both sides of the ball, while having more upside than either.

Detroit is garbage and they are letting their young players get a lot of burn (And shots).

Yeah, I'm not sure why one would include that Stewart is better than Avdija after that outing. Avdija had more points, rebounds, assists and steals on equivalent scoring efficiency while guarding multiple positions and credibly spacing the floor.

Bey had a pretty nice outing as far as scoring, but it wasn't anything to write home about. Over the course of the season, Bey and Avdija are posting pretty similar advanced numbers (WS/48, PER, BPM, VORP) with Bey generally scoring more and Avdija generally doing everything else better, but Avdija is killing him on on/off impact (+9.2 to -12.1). The key difference is that Avdija is 2 years younger.
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Post#95 » by doclinkin » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:26 pm

Nigel Tufnel wrote:Deni is decent, but last night showed that Bey and Stewart are just two players I wish the Wiz had drafted instead, along with Haliburton, Maxey or Bane.


That was my draft. Trade back for Saddiq. Plus Stewart or Precious. Xavier Tillman in Rd 2. If we had to stick at the pick I liked Haliburton then Devin Vassell.

But I have been very impressed with Deni's defense this year. The new rules emphasis have helped him a ton. Not crying about the pick. Tommy did alright.
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Post#96 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:38 pm

Patting myself on the back for not liking Stewart. I thought he was awful last night. Even that 3 point play he made; he just threw it up and got lucky. Boy was I wrong about Hayes, but he's still very young.
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Post#97 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 15, 2022 7:51 pm

I was on the draft Bey bandwagon. Called him my "sleeper." But I like Deni and think he'll turn out to be as good--if not better--than Bey.
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Post#98 » by payitforward » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:20 pm

Nigel Tufnel wrote:Deni is decent, but last night showed that Bey and Stewart are just two players I wish the Wiz had drafted instead, along with Haliburton, Maxey or Bane.

"Last night showed..." So, you are saying that e.g. Bey had a better game than Avdija? Ditto Stewart? If so, feel free to explain what makes you think so.

How about on the season? Has either guy had a better season than Avdija? Just curious how you'd judge that...?

Not much question about Haliburton. Then again, he's been better than absolutely everyone taken that year. Better than Lamelo Ball for example.

Would you have called for Charlotte to pick him over Ball at the time?
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Post#99 » by payitforward » Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:40 pm

DCZards wrote:I was on the draft Bey bandwagon. Called him my "sleeper." But I like Deni and think he'll turn out to be as good--if not better--than Bey.

He's already better than Saddiq Bey. Quite a lot better. Despite being almost 2 years younger than Bey.

But, the comparison isn't fair -- at least not from the point of view "smart draft picks," since Bey went #19 -- obviously, with the #9 pick you'd expect to be able to trade down. You'd get multiple picks.

Since players are never chosen in the order of how good they turn out to be, not in the '20 draft or any other draft, you'd probably be able to come away with 3 rookies, & all of them might be better than either Avdija or Bey so far.

Especially if you got the kid who went #52, right?
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Post#100 » by DCZards » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:34 pm

payitforward wrote:
DCZards wrote:I was on the draft Bey bandwagon. Called him my "sleeper." But I like Deni and think he'll turn out to be as good--if not better--than Bey.

He's already better than Saddiq Bey. Quite a lot better. Despite being almost 2 years younger than Bey.

But, the comparison isn't fair -- at least not from the point of view "smart draft picks," since Bey went #19 -- obviously, with the #9 pick you'd expect to be able to trade down. You'd get multiple picks.

Since players are never chosen in the order of how good they turn out to be, not in the '20 draft or any other draft, you'd probably be able to come away with 3 rookies, & all of them might be better than either Avdija or Bey so far.

Especially if you got the kid who went #52, right?

Deni may be better than Bey now but that doesn’t mean he’ll end up having a better NBA career than Bey. As a Zards fan, I certainly hope he does.

But, as you probably have noticed, I have a real anathema towards judging people’s potential/ability based on the first one or two (or even three) years of their careers.

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