Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Maybe you've watched more than me. A lot of the shots I've seen Bertans take are under serious duress. And I only watch taped games where the Wiz win and the team is playing relatively well.

Maybe in the losses I'm skipping Bertans is taking and missing a lot of shots?

Yeah I tend to agree with your sentiment that Bertans was simply taking a lot of difficult shots over the past 2 years. This whole season felt like he was taking a lot of long, though angled shots coming off screens where he didn't have ideal spacing. That's not to say that he wasn't missing some ones he should make, but many of the shots he was taking felt like prayers.

Brooks did a number on him by giving him the ultimate green light to jack up any shot he wanted, but, luckily enough, at the same time he was helped by being fed by Westbrook, keeping him more in rhythm on a night-to-night basis. Brooks' whole offense was predicated on getting up as many shots as possible, efficiency be damned. Not being penalized for taking bad shots along with getting more consistent minutes, he had more chances to bust out of slumps. Unseld has slowed the pace down, and the bad habits that formed under Brooks as well as the departure of Westbrook ultimately led him to being relegated to the bench.

[Ruzious]

Maybe you've watched more than me. A lot of the shots I've seen Bertans take are under serious duress. And I only watch taped games where the Wiz win and the team is playing relatively well.

Maybe in the losses I'm skipping Bertans is taking and missing a lot of shots?

I'll go through your logs and check the tapes for you.

[Zonkerbl]

Maybe you've watched more than me. A lot of the shots I've seen Bertans take are under serious duress. And I only watch taped games where the Wiz win and the team is playing relatively well.

Maybe in the losses I'm skipping Bertans is taking and missing a lot of shots?

I'll go through your logs and check the tapes for you.

Appreciate it!

[FAH1223]

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

All 3 guys on both sides of the trade speak respectfully & sensibly. No need to make any negative parting judgments on any of them.

In truth, if every one of the 3 guys somehow returns to playing at the best level of his career, then Dallas will have made a terrific trade. For that matter, even basing it on the 3 guys' average play across their careers, it's not like we got some kind of a steal: Kristaps Porzingis is not & has never been a good NBA player. Not by any definition.

That said, I hope all 3 guys play great going forward!

Good karma deals all the way around....Agreed, great points. pif.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/davis-bertans-says-players-on-wizards-were-fighting-with-each-other-over-minutes-roles-every-single-day/

Man, I'm glad Bertans is gone. Imo, when you've played as poorly as he did after signing a huge contract, you forfeit the right to talk bleep about your old team after getting traded.

Btw, RealGM has clarified the 2nd rounder we get in the trade:

2022 second round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 2022 2nd round pick to Washington protected for selections 31-45 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Dallas' obligation to Washington will be extinguished) [Dallas-Washington, 2/10/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

With Dallas at 33-24, it looks very likely that we'll get a 2022 late 2nd rounder - I'd guess around 50.

Me, too.



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Bert comes across as pretty damn entitled for a guy that was handed 80 mil after holding himself out for several games and then proceeded to get fat.

Am I reading the same article? Not sure where you're seeing the entitlement. Seemed to me like pretty innocuous words.

He's been fat or garbage or both for the better part of 2 years - ever since he got paid. Saying now that you needed to be force fed more shots, when you were too fat to get open or get off a clean shot, is something. He's not fat Luka or fat Harden - his only skill is shooting, and he was too fat to do that. Then, when he finally slimmed down, he was still garbage.

(South Park)

And he's a ginger!

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Man, I'm glad Bertans is gone. Imo, when you've played as poorly as he did after signing a huge contract, you forfeit the right to talk bleep about your old team after getting traded.

Btw, RealGM has clarified the 2nd rounder we get in the trade:


https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

With Dallas at 33-24, it looks very likely that we'll get a 2022 late 2nd rounder - I'd guess around 50.

This is definitely poor form, but he probably is speaking the truth here.

He probably is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing to fight for minutes. It's competition. I want every player other than Beal to try to earn more minutes. It's something that can be spun either way, and he chose the most negative.

What, no entitlements?!?!

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I was through with Davis when he showed up fat and out-of-shape for the 2020-21 season after signing that big contract. Bertans had one job that offseason and that was to stay in shape...and he failed at that.

But he's likely right about this group of Zards players complaining about minutes and their role. This is not the first time we've heard. From what I've read and heard, Spencer may have been the biggest problem in that regard. But he's gone now and the team and locker room is probably better off for it.

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that Bertans was also unhappy with his minutes/role after receiving repeated DNP-CD. He couldn't hit a 3...which was about all he was good for doing.

I'm overweight but he's PAID LARGE to be fit.

F Bertans.

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[Ruzious]

This is definitely poor form, but he probably is speaking the truth here.

He probably is, but it's not necessarily a bad thing to fight for minutes. It's competition. I want every player other than Beal to try to earn more minutes. It's something that can be spun either way, and he chose the most negative.

What, no entitlements?!?!

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Not for gingers, anyway.

[payitforward]

When you trade a problem, you usually get back someone else's problem. That's clearly the nature of this trade.

All the same, let's hope all 3 players turn things around & that we get a surprising stud with our new R2 pick.

[TGW]

Still don't know the results of the physical Porzingis took 3 days ago. I guess the assumption is that he passed? Dunno but I think there won't be much reported on it.

[pcbothwel]

When you trade a problem, you usually get back someone else's problem. That's clearly the nature of this trade.

All the same, let's hope all 3 players turn things around & that we get a surprising stud with our new R2 pick.

PIF... Im curious about your high level of negativity towards KP.
I, like you, always found KP to be overrated due to his contract, health, and inefficiency... but you dont seem to argue his value, but simply think he is bad outright.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Over the last two years, he has really improved and appears to ahead of similar stretch shot blocking bigs.
Christian Wood, prime Ibaka, Myles Turner... KP appears to be as good or better than all of them.
Since he was in NYK, KP has doubled his assist with no increase to Turnovers, become a better defender, and much better at converting at/near the rim.

His 3pt% of 28% so far this year is clearly a blip. KP has fantastic form and shot 1500 3's before this year at a 36% rate and has almost 1400 FTA at a 81% rate. I see no way in which he isnt a ~35% shooter from 3 and a ~58% TS fairly regularly moving forward.

[FAH1223]

Still don't know the results of the physical Porzingis took 3 days ago. I guess the assumption is that he passed? Dunno but I think there won't be much reported on it.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When you trade a problem, you usually get back someone else's problem. That's clearly the nature of this trade.

All the same, let's hope all 3 players turn things around & that we get a surprising stud with our new R2 pick.

Great point, payitforward!

(No time for details)

Many years ago at Pete Newell basketball camp I had a conversation with Kiki vandeway following a trade which I believe involveD Marcus Camby and Antonio McDyess

Problem: unhealthy for also unhealthy

Kiki blushed beet red when I Asked" how in the hell... " did he convince him to make that deal?

You know Ernie Greenfield might have been the GM

(You know the old phrase robbery without a gun ......that bad)

The wizard if this kid Chris taps it's OK have pulled off highway robbery

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When you trade a problem, you usually get back someone else's problem. That's clearly the nature of this trade.

All the same, let's hope all 3 players turn things around & that we get a surprising stud with our new R2 pick.

If you do the math since all were at risk at risk it only takes one reward for it to be a good trade for that particular team

It's the best kind of trade for the wizards because we have never had to deal with Chris tapps for zingasHe is going to be better than the guys we were sick of

There is no lose in this deal

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[FAH1223]

Best case with this deal: Unicorn becomes our equivalent of the Lakers getting Gasol in 2008. Healthy Beal and ascending young guys gets us in the top 6.

Worst case: We already know cause of #SoWizards history.

So I’m excited. We don’t lose either way!

[payitforward]

When you trade a problem, you usually get back someone else's problem. That's clearly the nature of this trade.

All the same, let's hope all 3 players turn things around & that we get a surprising stud with our new R2 pick.

PIF... Im curious about your high level of negativity towards KP.
I, like you, always found KP to be overrated due to his contract, health, and inefficiency... but you dont seem to argue his value, but simply think he is bad outright.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Over the last two years, he has really improved and appears to ahead of similar stretch shot blocking bigs.
Christian Wood, prime Ibaka, Myles Turner... KP appears to be as good or better than all of them.
Since he was in NYK, KP has doubled his assist with no increase to Turnovers, become a better defender, and much better at converting at/near the rim.

His 3pt% of 28% so far this year is clearly a blip. KP has fantastic form and shot 1500 3's before this year at a 36% rate and has almost 1400 FTA at a 81% rate. I see no way in which he isnt a ~35% shooter from 3 and a ~58% TS fairly regularly moving forward.

I'm not negative on Porzingis. He just isn't very good. As to your last sentence, for sure he is a 35% 3-point shooter. But, that doesn't get to a .58 TS% -- he's reached that once in 7 seasons; on his career he's at .547.

One thing you learn over the years is that the most likely thing to happen tomorrow is what happened yesterday & today. Porzingis isn't likely to become a different player, because all of a sudden he's on your team. Not to say he hasn't improved -- in fact, he's having his best year ever! It just isn't very good. Plus, he's a constant injury risk.

All the same, it was a great trade! We moved an absolutely terrible contract (which, btw, you loved when Tommy chose to do it) & a guy who wasn't working out (tho I loved him for us when Tommy chose to sign him -- I can be wrong too ). In return we got a guy with a shorter contract, we saved $$ overall, & we also got a R2 pick this year! Terrific!

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Dinwiddie -17 in 12 minutes thus far in his Mavericks debut.

[Kanyewest]

Perhaps KP can rehabilitate his value similar to how Kuzma has done this season. Kuzma was largely seen as a below average player although it turns out he was just not being utilized correctly plus the Lakers had guys like LeBron/AD which made Kuzma redundant. Perhaps KP was a bad fit with Luka - interestingly enough I believe Beal/Luka have had some back forth disputes.

KP's TS% would be really good if he ever knocks down 3s consistently like he did earlier in his career.

I think his low efficiency with the Knicks can just be attributed to what a mess the Knicks during that time. His rise in efficiency with the Mavs increased significantly despite him not shooting the ball nearly as well from deep. Perhaps getting the ball more can get KP feeling better about himself from distance.

But yeah, health is ultimately the big thing that could hold KP back. He would have been drafted higher if it wasn't for his medicals.
Maybe that's a reason why his 3 point shot isn't where it needs to be.