Offseason Brogdon sweepstakes

[Topofthekey]

He's going for some picks and a prospect or two.

I'd be fine with that being our pick...especially if it's high enough for us to be able to keep our other kids.

I assume it’s going to some mix of one of the expiring vets, Obi or IQ, pick or two

I don't actually mind this, depending on what happens in the draft

But the goal in a trade with Knicks would be to aim for Barrett, he's potentially the kind of long term piece that could be a fit with Haliburton

[dakomish23]

I'd be fine with that being our pick...especially if it's high enough for us to be able to keep our other kids.

I assume it’s going to some mix of one of the expiring vets, Obi or IQ, pick or two

I don't actually mind this, depending on what happens in the draft

But the goal in a trade with Knicks would be to aim for Barrett, he's potentially the kind of long term piece that could be a fit with Haliburton

A lot of us Knicks were pissssssed when we didn’t get Hali and not even being linked to him.

RJ, Hali, Grimes, Mitch maybe Obi if Randle was moved. We might actually have something to work with.

[Scoot McGroot]

Could always make a deal where maybe the Cavs first or the Houston 2nd is swapped for a better pick, if the value presents itself. A lot can happen on draft night.

The Houston 2nd is valuable because of the contract flexibility but we did trade a similar pick and a player last year for the 22nd.

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Yes. That’s what I’m pointing out. We also have back that super late Miami 2nd in the deal with Cleveland, so that we kept only 3 picks this year.

[cgf]

I'd be fine with that being our pick...especially if it's high enough for us to be able to keep our other kids.

I assume it’s going to some mix of one of the expiring vets, Obi or IQ, pick or two

I don't actually mind this, depending on what happens in the draft

But the goal in a trade with Knicks would be to aim for Barrett, he's potentially the kind of long term piece that could be a fit with Haliburton

Our Franchise does plenty of dumb things, but I do have a tough time imagining the FO moving RJ this summer unless they're going for someone like Dame...which would be a different kind of dumb.

Our pick? Sure. Reddish, Grimes, or Quickley? Also likely to be on the table this summer. Obi is where it gets trickier to read the tea leaves, and at Barrett, I feel like our FO would turn to other options...as they're reportedly really hot for Brunson.

[tcheco]

Please, don't be offended by this, but how about:
Brogdon and Goga for Powell, Mann and Zubac?

Pacers get a good prospect in Mann to continue the rebuild, Powell in a solid contract and zubac a good center to back up(and sometimes play with?)

Clippers go all in next season, balancing the roster a bit.

Clippers:
Brogdon / R. Jackson
PG13 / Kennard / Coffey
K. Leonard / Morris
RoCo / Batum
Goga / Hartenstein(resigned?)

Pacers:
Haliburton / TJ / Washington
Duarte / Hield / Mann
Powell / Mann
Warren / Turner
Turner / Zubac

All that and their draft picks. Pacers can easily reroute Zubac, or trade away Hield/Warren, depending the position of the player they draft, to also create more cap space

Didn't add draft picks as the pacers get 2 players that could be part of this rebuild and they already have many.

Again, don't hate on me

[Scoot McGroot]

Please, don't be offended by this, but how about:
Brogdon and Goga for Powell, Mann and Zubac?

Pacers get a good prospect in Mann to continue the rebuild, Powell in a solid contract and zubac a good center to back up(and sometimes play with?)



Again, don't hate on me

No hate, but it's...well...a really bad fit for Indy. Norman Powell just isn't a 3. He can try and play it for minutes, but it's not ideal. So, getting him back to go with Duarte (who can play the 3 more than Powell can, but is ideally a 2) and Buddy Hield is a terrible use of assets, as well as getting back Mann as a 2. Add in that Lance Stephenson and Duane Washington Jr. have played great off the bench at the 2 for us, and it's terrible asset management for Indy. Same for getting Zubac back to....platoon with our young draft pick at the backup 5 minutes, which is entirely beneath Zubac, but also a waste of Isaiah Jackson, a promising young 5 that probably fits our roster better than any other 5 man involved here.

Like, you're offering a bunch of stuff, and we have beyond no use for any of the stuff, even if it's fine or good stuff in some cases. And it eats up an extra roster spot, which is not ideal.

[tcheco]

Please, don't be offended by this, but how about:
Brogdon and Goga for Powell, Mann and Zubac?

Pacers get a good prospect in Mann to continue the rebuild, Powell in a solid contract and zubac a good center to back up(and sometimes play with?)



Again, don't hate on me

No hate, but it's...well...a really bad fit for Indy. Norman Powell just isn't a 3. He can try and play it for minutes, but it's not ideal. So, getting him back to go with Duarte (who can play the 3 more than Powell can, but is ideally a 2) and Buddy Hield is a terrible use of assets, as well as getting back Mann as a 2. Add in that Lance Stephenson and Duane Washington Jr. have played great off the bench at the 2 for us, and it's terrible asset management for Indy. Same for getting Zubac back to....platoon with our young draft pick at the backup 5 minutes, which is entirely beneath Zubac, but also a waste of Isaiah Jackson, a promising young 5 that probably fits our roster better than any other 5 man involved here.

Like, you're offering a bunch of stuff, and we have beyond no use for any of the stuff, even if it's fine or good stuff in some cases. And it eats up an extra roster spot, which is not ideal.

Fair enough. Halfway through my post I had the same feeling you had. the value MIGHT be there, but too many pieces.

Thanks for the info on lance and Jackson. Saw a couple of good games from them, but not enough to be able to comment

Brogdon for a better fit at the PF position(locked in a good contract) would be a much better option

[Topofthekey]

Please, don't be offended by this, but how about:
Brogdon and Goga for Powell, Mann and Zubac?

Pacers get a good prospect in Mann to continue the rebuild, Powell in a solid contract and zubac a good center to back up(and sometimes play with?)



Again, don't hate on me

No hate, but it's...well...a really bad fit for Indy. Norman Powell just isn't a 3. He can try and play it for minutes, but it's not ideal. So, getting him back to go with Duarte (who can play the 3 more than Powell can, but is ideally a 2) and Buddy Hield is a terrible use of assets, as well as getting back Mann as a 2. Add in that Lance Stephenson and Duane Washington Jr. have played great off the bench at the 2 for us, and it's terrible asset management for Indy. Same for getting Zubac back to....platoon with our young draft pick at the backup 5 minutes, which is entirely beneath Zubac, but also a waste of Isaiah Jackson, a promising young 5 that probably fits our roster better than any other 5 man involved here.

Like, you're offering a bunch of stuff, and we have beyond no use for any of the stuff, even if it's fine or good stuff in some cases. And it eats up an extra roster spot, which is not ideal.

Fair enough. Halfway through my post I had the same feeling you had. the value MIGHT be there, but too many pieces.

Thanks for the info on lance and Jackson. Saw a couple of good games from them, but not enough to be able to comment

Brogdon for a better fit at the PF position(locked in a good contract) would be a much better option

I can see them looking for an SF also, depending on what happens with Warren and what the draft gives them

[youngthegiant]

Barton, Den 2022 1st Rd pick, unprotected pick swap

[dakomish23]

Barton, Den 2022 1st Rd pick, unprotected pick swap

wow would he be great with those guys. Plus Indy sends him out west if that's still a thing

[Topofthekey]

Barton, Den 2022 1st Rd pick, unprotected pick swap

Brogdon + Hield + McConnell for MPJ + Gordon + FRP

[Scoot McGroot]

Barton, Den 2022 1st Rd pick, unprotected pick swap

Brogdon + Hield + McConnell for MPJ + Gordon + FRP

I get that MPJ is viewed as a potential franchise talent, but Indy absolutely cannot take that health risk on his infinitely likely to be uninsured contract.

Also, this deal makes little to no sense for Denver, other than maybe just dumping MPJ if they think he’s done for. Which Indy shouldn’t take it then, either

[patman66]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

[Wizop]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

have to go? most assume he'll want to go rather than play behind Hali and Duarte. I wouldn't be upset if he decides he's happy playing off the bench with Hield, Lance, McConnell, Washington, or a rookie.

[Adrian Street]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

have to go? most assume he'll want to go rather than play behind Hali and Duarte. I wouldn't be upset if he decides he's happy playing off the bench with Hield, Lance, McConnell, Washington, or a rookie.

Brogdon would have to either play with Duarte and Hali or he would need to be traded. In Brogdon, Hield and McConnell that would be around 50 mil a year in 3 bench guards on a bad team. That would be a ridiculous waste of cap space and why I see Brogdon along with either Hield or McConnell getting traded. It's possible Brogdon comes back and really clicks with Hali and Duarte, in which case maybe they keep him but I doubt it.

[BlazersBroncos]

Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, 2022 PDX SRP, Future LP FRP for him?

A 3 guard rotation of Dame, Simons and Brogdan is perfectly complimentary on paper IMO.

[Scoot McGroot]

Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, 2022 PDX SRP, Future LP FRP for him?

A 3 guard rotation of Dame, Simons and Brogdan is perfectly complimentary on paper IMO.

Oh, nowhere close. It’d likely take some use of the lotto pick this year for Portland to get Brogdon. Maybe with the Cleveland pick coming back depending on where it slots, but not getting parted out like this.

Indy didn’t part out Sabonis or Levert. I doubt they’d do so for Brogdon.

[giannis and 1]

The team that makes the most sense for Brogdon is the Clippers imo. Maybe something like this

Clippers:
Brogdon

Team x:
Zubac

Pacers:
Morris
Coffey
2022 1st from team x
2022 & 2025 2nds from Clippers

Clippers consolidate, Pacers get a starting pf, young wing, and some picks.

[babyjax13]

The team that makes the most sense for Brogdon is the Clippers imo. Maybe something like this

Clippers:
Brogdon

Team x:
Zubac

Pacers:
Morris
Coffey
2022 1st from team x
2022 & 2025 2nds from Clippers

Clippers consolidate, Pacers get a starting pf, young wing, and some picks.

Why would Indiana do this? Coffey is going to be a backup for them, Morris is old, and the main value coming back is the first from whatever abstract team is involved - seems they should prefer Brogdon to Zu.

[Scoot McGroot]

The team that makes the most sense for Brogdon is the Clippers imo. Maybe something like this

Clippers:
Brogdon

Team x:
Zubac

Pacers:
Morris
Coffey
2022 1st from team x
2022 & 2025 2nds from Clippers

Clippers consolidate, Pacers get a starting pf, young wing, and some picks.

Why would Indiana do this? Coffey is going to be a backup for them, Morris is old, and the main value coming back is the first from whatever abstract team is involved - seems they should prefer Brogdon to Zu.

Yeah. I think we'd be looking for something a little more long-term at the PF/SF spot. Morris would help right now, but I think we're further away than "right now". But also, I think you're a little better pick away than whatever Zubac brings back.

Also, Coffey is a free agent at year's end, so he can't be S&T'ed. He can be converted to a full big-league contract and signed to a longer deal before the season ends, but he'll have a no-trade restriction for 3 months once he is converted, so he'd have to be converted before March 23rd if he's to be dealt on draft night and have current year draft picks included. I do think he has value, but for Indy, we'd have to have something lined up to also move Buddy Hield, as we still have Chris Duarte ahead of all of them, and we really like Duane Washington as a small guard prospect that fires from long-range.

Basically, building a deal to Indy around Morris/pick for Zubac is just not nearly enough, nor a fit for Indy.