Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[greg4012]

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This is HUGE I have a very good feeling about Dipo. He’s going to bring a whole new dynamic to this team

Another quality 2-way player that can hit spot up 3s should be his baseline.

But, if he's at least as effective defensively as he was before his most recent surgery, then it could be an additional impact defender (with enough length/ability to guard wings).

Ideally, he's in better form than he was before his most recent surgery considering it was done to repair issues that were not properly treated previously.

The big potential boost is if Dipo can still be a paint penetrator/decisionmaker. Right now we are sorely lacking paint penetration. It's just Bam when he's aggressive (inconsistent) and Jimmy. But, Jimmy's paint penetration is more methodical to find an open look or draw foul. It doesn't consistently result in collapsing the D for open looks. If Dipo can provide us with an additional offensive weapon that can break down the D, then suddenly our offense will hum a lot better as shooters and cutters will be able to gain a step on their defenders.

[AirP.]

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Great stat. So it's possible that we can 2014 Spurs our way to the championship this year with the amount of shooters we have on the team

Yeah, Dallas must feel so lucky that Miami went 7-27 behind the 3pt line last night.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Nah we have an open spot

Yup the open spot is Haywood Highsmith when his 10 day expires or when we decide to terminate it. We needed to sign an extra emergency body due to Martin and Herro being out. He's getting another tryout to earn that other two way from Guy.

I hope that's not the case, not because of Guy but if Miami keeps taking away 2-way contracts from players they could end up having some of the better 2-way players look to go elsewhere vs come to Miami and possibly lose their contract which makes little sense at this time since 2-way players aren't playoff eligible, you just get some contract rights for next year and I would hope they address PF this summer better then just adding a 2-way player to backup a 37 year old player.

With that being said you may be right that they will probably just end up keeping things the way they are. Since the two ways are not playoff eligible and we are already coming towards the stretch run of the season it may be best just to keep Guy around and let him finish the year out. Maybe Haywood is not part of the long term plans or maybe they do sign him to the final roster spot and we don't get Dragic after all.

[AirP.]

Yup the open spot is Haywood Highsmith when his 10 day expires or when we decide to terminate it. We needed to sign an extra emergency body due to Martin and Herro being out. He's getting another tryout to earn that other two way from Guy.

I hope that's not the case, not because of Guy but if Miami keeps taking away 2-way contracts from players they could end up having some of the better 2-way players look to go elsewhere vs come to Miami and possibly lose their contract which makes little sense at this time since 2-way players aren't playoff eligible, you just get some contract rights for next year and I would hope they address PF this summer better then just adding a 2-way player to backup a 37 year old player.

With that being said you may be right that they will probably just end up keeping things the way they are. Since the two ways are not playoff eligible and we are already coming towards the stretch run of the season it may be best just to keep Guy around and let him finish the year out. Maybe Haywood is not part of the long term plans or maybe they do sign him to the final roster spot and we don't get Dragic after all.

I hope not. Dragic's experience will come in quite handy in the playoffs when teams start to really scheme against everybody on the team, not like how it is in the regular season where you just fly in one night, play a game and leave.

Butler #)$( the bed last year in the playoffs but he did it in a way it looked like something was wrong physically or mentally with him but outside of him, lots of Heat players were bad in that series, Dragic was one of the better players with 1 great game(25 pts, 5-10 3pts), 2 decent(18 and 13 pts) and 1 bad game(8 pts on 14 shots).

I sure hope my thoughts of the 2022-2023 team will be way better then the 2021-2022 team because they have a better idea of what they have and can make moves to strengthen this team for another 2-3 years.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

I hope that's not the case, not because of Guy but if Miami keeps taking away 2-way contracts from players they could end up having some of the better 2-way players look to go elsewhere vs come to Miami and possibly lose their contract which makes little sense at this time since 2-way players aren't playoff eligible, you just get some contract rights for next year and I would hope they address PF this summer better then just adding a 2-way player to backup a 37 year old player.

With that being said you may be right that they will probably just end up keeping things the way they are. Since the two ways are not playoff eligible and we are already coming towards the stretch run of the season it may be best just to keep Guy around and let him finish the year out. Maybe Haywood is not part of the long term plans or maybe they do sign him to the final roster spot and we don't get Dragic after all.

I hope not. Dragic's experience will come in quite handy in the playoffs when teams start to really scheme against everybody on the team, not like how it is in the regular season where you just fly in one night, play a game and leave.

Butler #)$( the bed last year in the playoffs but he did it in a way it looked like something was wrong physically or mentally with him but outside of him, lots of Heat players were bad in that series, Dragic was one of the better players with 1 great game(25 pts, 5-10 3pts), 2 decent(18 and 13 pts) and 1 bad game(8 pts on 14 shots).

I sure hope my thoughts of the 2022-2023 team will be way better then the 2021-2022 team because they have a better idea of what they have and can make moves to strengthen this team for another 2-3 years.

Absolutely we should sign Dragic without a doubt. As good a story as Gabe Vincent has been he is more then likely apt to turn into a pumpkin when it matters the most. Also if anything were to happen to Lowry we would be stuck with nobody but Vincent to steady the ship. Sign Dragic plain and simple.

[AirP.]

Here's the 2nd half for Miami vs Dallas.
How many assists? FOUR.
1-14 from 3pt range.
3 players with 10+ minutes and scored 2 or less points.
Butler and Bam 9 of 19, the rest of the team 3 of 21.

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF PJ Tucker PF Markieff Morris PF UD
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Duncan Robinson
SG Tyler Herro SG Victor Oladipo SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG Goran Dragic PG Gabe Vincent

Perfect world this would be the depth chart and the primary 10. We can trade in Gabe's defense for Dragic's scoring and vet savvy since he'll be protected off the bench with Dipo and Martin. Herro starts and his defensive deficiencies are masked by the prime defenders in the starting lineup. If Spo wants to get cute and go small he can move Caleb to the 4 and Duncan to the backup 3 spot if three point shooting is needed.

2 way
PG/SG Javonte Smart
PG/SG Kyle Guy or SF/PF Haywood Highsmith

[AirP.]

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF PJ Tucker PF Markieff Morris PF UD
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Duncan Robinson
SG Tyler Herro SG Victor Oladipo SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG Goran Dragic PG Gabe Vincent

Perfect world this would be the depth chart and the primary 10. We can trade in Gabe's defense for Dragic's scoring and vet savvy since he'll be protected off the bench with Dipo and Martin. Herro starts and his defensive deficiencies are masked by the prime defenders in the starting lineup. If Spo wants to get cute and go small he can move Caleb to the 4 and Duncan to the backup 3 spot if three point shooting is needed.

2 way
PG/SG Javonte Smart
PG/SG Kyle Guy or SF/PF Haywood Highsmith

I don't think Miami is limited to only 2 10 day contracts for Highsmith so it may make sense to just keep him on that and also the 10 day contracts are 10 days or 3 games whichever is greater so Highsmith should be signed till the next game after the all-star break.

[MettaWorldPanda]

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF PJ Tucker PF Markieff Morris PF UD
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Duncan Robinson
SG Tyler Herro SG Victor Oladipo SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG Goran Dragic PG Gabe Vincent

Perfect world this would be the depth chart and the primary 10. We can trade in Gabe's defense for Dragic's scoring and vet savvy since he'll be protected off the bench with Dipo and Martin. Herro starts and his defensive deficiencies are masked by the prime defenders in the starting lineup. If Spo wants to get cute and go small he can move Caleb to the 4 and Duncan to the backup 3 spot if three point shooting is needed.

2 way
PG/SG Javonte Smart
PG/SG Kyle Guy or SF/PF Haywood Highsmith

I don't think Miami is limited to only 2 10 day contracts for Highsmith so it may make sense to just keep him on that and also the 10 day contracts are 10 days or 3 games whichever is greater so Highsmith should be signed till the next game after the all-star break.

The 10 day contact takes over a roster spot though. Can't sign Dragic if he's still on a 10 day

[carnageta]

Here's the 2nd half for Miami vs Dallas.
How many assists? FOUR.
1-14 from 3pt range.
3 players with 10+ minutes and scored 2 or less points.
Butler and Bam 9 of 19, the rest of the team 3 of 21.

Poor shooting from deep, while the other team shot above their seasonal (and league-wide) average. Hard to win games for a three point shooting team when three point shots cannot be made.

[RexBoyWonder]

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF PJ Tucker PF Markieff Morris PF UD
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Duncan Robinson
SG Tyler Herro SG Victor Oladipo SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG Goran Dragic PG Gabe Vincent

Perfect world this would be the depth chart and the primary 10. We can trade in Gabe's defense for Dragic's scoring and vet savvy since he'll be protected off the bench with Dipo and Martin. Herro starts and his defensive deficiencies are masked by the prime defenders in the starting lineup. If Spo wants to get cute and go small he can move Caleb to the 4 and Duncan to the backup 3 spot if three point shooting is needed.

2 way
PG/SG Javonte Smart
PG/SG Kyle Guy or SF/PF Haywood Highsmith

Very deep team in every position except at PF - where we're incredibly shallow. We need Morris, as meh as he might be.

I'd offer Dragon a deal for both sentimental reasons, insurance reasons, and Dragon spitting playoff fire reasons.

[AirP.]

C Bam Adebayo C Dewayne Dedmon C Omer Yurtseven
PF PJ Tucker PF Markieff Morris PF UD
SF Jimmy Butler SF Caleb Martin SF Duncan Robinson
SG Tyler Herro SG Victor Oladipo SG Max Strus
PG Kyle Lowry PG Goran Dragic PG Gabe Vincent

Perfect world this would be the depth chart and the primary 10. We can trade in Gabe's defense for Dragic's scoring and vet savvy since he'll be protected off the bench with Dipo and Martin. Herro starts and his defensive deficiencies are masked by the prime defenders in the starting lineup. If Spo wants to get cute and go small he can move Caleb to the 4 and Duncan to the backup 3 spot if three point shooting is needed.

2 way
PG/SG Javonte Smart
PG/SG Kyle Guy or SF/PF Haywood Highsmith

I don't think Miami is limited to only 2 10 day contracts for Highsmith so it may make sense to just keep him on that and also the 10 day contracts are 10 days or 3 games whichever is greater so Highsmith should be signed till the next game after the all-star break.

The 10 day contact takes over a roster spot though. Can't sign Dragic if he's still on a 10 day

Sure, the Heat have until March 1st to sign him and have him available for the playoffs or Miami can cancel the 10 day contract at anytime if they need to.

Here's a thought... Morris looks like he's been "ready" since early December, since Miami won't be using him would Miami waive/buy him out to open up another roster spot? Got a feeling Miami is going to go even more in on small ball.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Dragic keeps showing up at Heat games. Would be a major disappointment if he signs with another club at this point

[twix2500]

Good news about Dipo. The G-league get a lot more practice time than NBA teams get. So he can really test his body out. He is a veteran so learning the plays is not a big transition.

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[somerandomdude]

Hard to win games for a three point shooting team when three point shots cannot be made.

And yet, we were in prime position to win that game. This is a game where your stars are supposed to carry you.

Unfortunately, you're right that we're a 3pt shooting team rather than a team that can rely on 2s / defense / offensive rebounding.

Does anyone know if we've won a game where we've struggled from 3?

[Hallstar]

Hard to win games for a three point shooting team when three point shots cannot be made.

And yet, we were in prime position to win that game. This is a game where your stars are supposed to carry you.

Unfortunately, you're right that we're a 3pt shooting team rather than a team that can rely on 2s / defense / offensive rebounding.

Does anyone know if we've won a game where we've struggled from 3?

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401359897

That's about as good as it gets when we struggle from 3.

But Herro was there to complement Bam and Jimmy

[Wiltside]

I assume if we miss out on Gogi (who I don’t know if Miami is even trying to bring back), we’d keep the roster spot open for one of our patented end of season G-League picks like Nunn and Yurt.

[somerandomdude]

Hard to win games for a three point shooting team when three point shots cannot be made.

And yet, we were in prime position to win that game. This is a game where your stars are supposed to carry you.

Unfortunately, you're right that we're a 3pt shooting team rather than a team that can rely on 2s / defense / offensive rebounding.

Does anyone know if we've won a game where we've struggled from 3?

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401359897

That's about as good as it gets when we struggle from 3.

But Herro was there to complement Bam and Jimmy

Thank you!

* Bam 26pts, Jimmy 32pts, Herro 26pts
* 16 offensive rebounds
* Hornets held to 39% FG
* Heat 47% FG

That's how you win those types of games and IMO that's the type of team we need to become so we can ease our dependency on 3pt shooting, which is fool's gold if we think we're going to win because of shooting.

It's true that we did have Herro for that game, but the defense and rebounding were huge, as well.