Offseason Plan

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Maybe deal Isaiah Todd for Tre Jones?

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Tyus Jones 27 points (11-17 shooting) 9 Ast-2 TO in a spot start for the Grizzlies. Are we sure he's going to be available for the MLE?

Exactly what I was thinking. Ja being out was his chance to beast, and he took it. His price is going up.

I would think the MLE with a good shot to start would do it... But he's an ideal target. If his price goes up hopefully it's not out of our range.

[9 and 20]

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At 10 min, Troy talks about his sources at F Street saying Montrezl being the cancer in the locker room that derailed the season. He never has gotten paid and thought the numbers he put up in the 1st 15 games was gonna continue.

Honestly, this sounds about right. Trezz was getting MVP chants in the first few weeks of the season (lol) and then it all came Wizzing down. The benching of Gafford has also been ridiculous.

[FAH1223]

Maybe deal Isaiah Todd for Tre Jones?

The Spurs seem to have an endless supply of guards.

Jones has played 600 minutes and only made three 3-pointers.

[FAH1223]

How about Delon Wright? Another big PG, decent shooter from 3, and he does defend.

Terrific player. But, he's about to turn 30. We are a rebuilding team. Ready for a new generation of Wizards. All Wright would do is slow down the rebuild.

He'd be perfect for a team like Milwaukee - who recently lost Connaughton and Hill to injury and traded DDV.

He would be crucial there.

But I think he'd be our best defensive PG in DC in years. He does do some bone-headed stuff but I can live with it as he isn't a liability.

Play defense, knock down 3s, attack the paint... he does all that and gets 5-6 assists per 36.

Even though he is turning 30, there's really no PGs in the 2022 NBA Draft at the top.

Delon for a couple years on MLE money with our young forwards and bigs... especially the defensive potential intrigues me

[payitforward]

Maybe deal Isaiah Todd for Tre Jones?

No chance SA would go for that trade.

[gambitx777]

Assuming the Lakers tear it apart after this season and Zinger finishes well for the Wiz, here's a very unlikely to happen Lakers trade: Porzingis, Rui, and Kispert for Anthony Davis (soon to be 29). We actually save money. Use the MLE on Tyus Jones. Draft Keegan Murray. I know it's not going to happen - just a fantasy offseason.

A night mare maybe. I wouldn't imo trade any young asset for Davis right now. He can't stay healthy. Neither can KP. But we traded nothing for him. Two bad contracts for one dude who's at least useful when he's on the floor In most people's options. As good as AD is. He is 1 in the start of decline and 2 can never stay on the floor. I don't wanna trade good young tallent for him. With ruis latest injury you can start to wonder if he is gonna have those issues, but I wouldn't trade Kispert for him .

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[Ruzious]

Assuming the Lakers tear it apart after this season and Zinger finishes well for the Wiz, here's a very unlikely to happen Lakers trade: Porzingis, Rui, and Kispert for Anthony Davis (soon to be 29). We actually save money. Use the MLE on Tyus Jones. Draft Keegan Murray. I know it's not going to happen - just a fantasy offseason.

A night mare maybe. I wouldn't imo trade any young asset for Davis right now. He can't stay healthy. Neither can KP. But we traded nothing for him. Two bad contracts for one dude who's at least useful when he's on the floor In most people's options. As good as AD is. He is 1 in the start of decline and 2 can never stay on the floor. I don't wanna trade good young tallent for him. With ruis latest injury you can start to wonder if he is gonna have those issues, but I wouldn't trade Kispert for him .

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Ha, you post that right after Davis gets injured - good onya. I think you're vastly overrrating Kispert. You shake an average NBA forward tree and 20 Kisperts fall off for the taking. I think they have them at Home Depot. For sure, you can get some on Amazon.

Let's be brutally honest - this team with the players they have now - is never going anywhere without drastic changes. And part of my plan was using the draft to get Murray - who I think is a far more interesting player than Kispert and would take his spot in the lineup.

Sure, Davis isn't what he used to be, but what he used to be was the best big in the NBA. He's essentially the same age as Beal (3 or 4 months older). There's still likely several fine years left. And he's obviously better than Zinger.

[FAH1223]

Maybe deal Isaiah Todd for Tre Jones?

No chance SA would go for that trade.

Coach Pop loves his legion of young guards.

[Ruzious]

Tre Jones has good stats in limited minutes, but his jump shot ain't what Tyus' is. It makes me doubtful about him improving - despite his young age and good family PG skills.

[gambitx777]

Assuming the Lakers tear it apart after this season and Zinger finishes well for the Wiz, here's a very unlikely to happen Lakers trade: Porzingis, Rui, and Kispert for Anthony Davis (soon to be 29). We actually save money. Use the MLE on Tyus Jones. Draft Keegan Murray. I know it's not going to happen - just a fantasy offseason.

A night mare maybe. I wouldn't imo trade any young asset for Davis right now. He can't stay healthy. Neither can KP. But we traded nothing for him. Two bad contracts for one dude who's at least useful when he's on the floor In most people's options. As good as AD is. He is 1 in the start of decline and 2 can never stay on the floor. I don't wanna trade good young tallent for him. With ruis latest injury you can start to wonder if he is gonna have those issues, but I wouldn't trade Kispert for him .

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Ha, you post that right after Davis gets injured - good onya. I think you're vastly overrrating Kispert. You shake an average NBA forward tree and 20 Kisperts fall off for the taking. I think they have them at Home Depot. For sure, you can get some on Amazon.

Let's be brutally honest - this team with the players they have now - is never going anywhere without drastic changes. And part of my plan was using the draft to get Murray - who I think is a far more interesting player than Kispert and would take his spot in the lineup.

Sure, Davis isn't what he used to be, but what he used to be was the best big in the NBA. He's essentially the same age as Beal (3 or 4 months older). There's still likely several fine years left. And he's obviously better than Zinger.

I 100 percent agree with a lot of that bout AD. But we got KP for free. I don't like the idea of trading two young forwards with upside for a dude who's probably never gonna play a full NBA season again or even maybe half a season again.

I like Kispert a lot. He's showing flashes of really good stuff as a rookie. Not I'm waivering on Rui . Fair but meh what ever.

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[Ruzious]

A night mare maybe. I wouldn't imo trade any young asset for Davis right now. He can't stay healthy. Neither can KP. But we traded nothing for him. Two bad contracts for one dude who's at least useful when he's on the floor In most people's options. As good as AD is. He is 1 in the start of decline and 2 can never stay on the floor. I don't wanna trade good young tallent for him. With ruis latest injury you can start to wonder if he is gonna have those issues, but I wouldn't trade Kispert for him .

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Ha, you post that right after Davis gets injured - good onya. I think you're vastly overrrating Kispert. You shake an average NBA forward tree and 20 Kisperts fall off for the taking. I think they have them at Home Depot. For sure, you can get some on Amazon.

Let's be brutally honest - this team with the players they have now - is never going anywhere without drastic changes. And part of my plan was using the draft to get Murray - who I think is a far more interesting player than Kispert and would take his spot in the lineup.

Sure, Davis isn't what he used to be, but what he used to be was the best big in the NBA. He's essentially the same age as Beal (3 or 4 months older). There's still likely several fine years left. And he's obviously better than Zinger.

I 100 percent agree with a lot of that bout AD. But we got KP for free. I don't like the idea of trading two young forwards with upside for a dude who's probably never gonna play a full NBA season again or even maybe half a season again.

I like Kispert a lot. He's showing flashes of really good stuff as a rookie. Not I'm waivering on Rui . Fair but meh what ever.

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Getting KP for free means the opposite of what you seem to think. It means he doesn't have a lot of trade value, so if you can get a great player for him, you do it.

[pcbothwel]

Assuming the Lakers tear it apart after this season and Zinger finishes well for the Wiz, here's a very unlikely to happen Lakers trade: Porzingis, Rui, and Kispert for Anthony Davis (soon to be 29). We actually save money. Use the MLE on Tyus Jones. Draft Keegan Murray. I know it's not going to happen - just a fantasy offseason.

A night mare maybe. I wouldn't imo trade any young asset for Davis right now. He can't stay healthy. Neither can KP. But we traded nothing for him. Two bad contracts for one dude who's at least useful when he's on the floor In most people's options. As good as AD is. He is 1 in the start of decline and 2 can never stay on the floor. I don't wanna trade good young tallent for him. With ruis latest injury you can start to wonder if he is gonna have those issues, but I wouldn't trade Kispert for him .

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Ha, you post that right after Davis gets injured - good onya. I think you're vastly overrrating Kispert. You shake an average NBA forward tree and 20 Kisperts fall off for the taking. I think they have them at Home Depot. For sure, you can get some on Amazon.

Let's be brutally honest - this team with the players they have now - is never going anywhere without drastic changes. And part of my plan was using the draft to get Murray - who I think is a far more interesting player than Kispert and would take his spot in the lineup.

Sure, Davis isn't what he used to be, but what he used to be was the best big in the NBA. He's essentially the same age as Beal (3 or 4 months older). There's still likely several fine years left. And he's obviously better than Zinger.

Last two years:
AD: 73 games played. Per 36: 24 / 10 / 3, TS of 57%, Owed 3/120M (40M per)
KP: 77 games played. Per 36: 24 / 10 / 2, TS of 57%, Owed 2/ 70M (35M per)

AD: Better/more versatile defender & better creating for himself
KP: Better shooter, 2 years younger, better contract

Offensively, KP seems to be better simply due to the fact that he embraces his role as a mismatch stretch 5. AD has the same level of talent, but appears far to comfortable with long 2's and his 3 ball has fallen off a cliff the last two years. KP would appear to be better for LAL offensively just because they need the shooting.

Defensively, AD is clearly superior here, but certainly not what he once was.

Summary:
AD is better, but by how much and how long. KP has improved on both ends of the court each of the last 3 years. AD has declined each of the last 3 years.
Would I trade Rui or Kispert with KP for AD... EASY. But both of them? Add our 1st?!?
I just think the Margin is not near what it was 2-3 years ago when they were in different stratospheres.

[Ruzious]

I definitely would NOT add our first. It has a good chance of being much better than both Kispert and Rui.

[dckingsfan]

Beal is of course the elephant in the room.

Code: Select all

Beal           $37,262,300
Porziņģis      $33,833,400
KCP            $14,004,703
Kuzma          $13,000,000
Hachimura       $6,263,188
Avdija          $4,916,160
Kispert         $3,552,960
Gafford         $1,930,681
Carey           $1,782,621
Todd            $1,563,518
Total         $118,109,531

I am guessing that Todd & Carey will not be useful next season. That leaves you with (not in ranked order):

PG:
SG: Beal/Kispert/KCP
SF: KCP/Kispert/Avidja/Hachimura
PF: Kuzma/Porzingis/Avidja/Hachimura
C: Porzingis/Gafford

The second elephant in the room is at PG. The list of UFA at point guard is shall we say, underwhelming:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/point-guard/

That means that PG is coming from the draft or in a trade (or both) (as many have pointed out). I think that our draft position and being able to draft TyTy. I hope that we also purchase a 2nd round pick to that end. I would also think a trade with a team like Orlando that is short on forwards and long on PGs would be a possibility.

If Beal opts in - then maybe it is time to move him full-time to PG?

Anyway, my 1/2 cent on what Tommy must be thinking right now?

[pcbothwel]

I definitely would NOT add our first. It has a good chance of being much better than both Kispert and Rui.

Agreed. That said, I dont see any reason to move KP at all. I think the hope is that KP has a good year next year(I.E. same productivity as last 2 years, but playing 60+ games) and have him opt out if his last year.

I think Jokic is the guy you have to keep an eye on. Denver has been great the last half decade in drafting/assembling a team, but a few misses with a little bad luck has flipped that around.
- No 2023 or 2025 draft pick kills influx of young talent along with potential of acquiring another star.
- 80M+ locked up in Murray, Gordon, and Porter. Porter may be the worst contract in basketball and Murray may just end up being a "good starter" as the lead guard. Again, he could take a Beal/FVV type leap, but we wont know until next year.
- All their 2nd round steals have either stagnated (Monte Morris) or bust (Bol)
- Their last two 1st round draft picks appear to be bench/rotational players at best (Hyland & Nnaji)

I could very much see a situation where we get to Summer 2023 and Jokic looks around to see a Lux Tax team maxing out at the 6th seed with no prospects, draft picks, or cap space for the foreseeable future.

Not saying we'd be 1st in line to acquire is services, but we could be in an interesting position to compete for them depending on many factors.

[WallToWall]

I may be in the minority with this opinion… I do think that Beal will want a sign and trade. At 28 y.o, I think he sees that there are fewer basketball days in front of him, and like any competitor, will want a chance at the NBA championship. Looking at the construct of our team, we are a ways off now, and will remain so, albeit a tad bit closer, at the start of next season assuming no trades happen. His best option is a sign and trade to a competitor. We should be looking for favorable trades that could happen around draft time, IMO.

[Ruzious]

I definitely would NOT add our first. It has a good chance of being much better than both Kispert and Rui.

Agreed. That said, I dont see any reason to move KP at all. I think the hope is that KP has a good year next year(I.E. same productivity as last 2 years, but playing 60+ games) and have him opt out if his last year.

I think Jokic is the guy you have to keep an eye on. Denver has been great the last half decade in drafting/assembling a team, but a few misses with a little bad luck has flipped that around.
- No 2023 or 2025 draft pick kills influx of young talent along with potential of acquiring another star.
- 80M+ locked up in Murray, Gordon, and Porter. Porter may be the worst contract in basketball and Murray may just end up being a "good starter" as the lead guard. Again, he could take a Beal/FVV type leap, but we wont know until next year.
- All their 2nd round steals have either stagnated (Monte Morris) or bust (Bol)
- Their last two 1st round draft picks appear to be bench/rotational players at best (Hyland & Nnaji)

I could very much see a situation where we get to Summer 2023 and Jokic looks around to see a Lux Tax team maxing out at the 6th seed with no prospects, draft picks, or cap space for the foreseeable future.

Not saying we'd be 1st in line to acquire is services, but we could be in an interesting position to compete for them depending on many factors.

I like that attitude. We may not be a great target right now, but we ought to be able to take advantage of that capital of the free world thing going for us... at least other than January 6th. We know what happens if we don't try.

[FAH1223]

Beal is of course the elephant in the room.

Code: Select all

Beal           $37,262,300
Porziņģis      $33,833,400
KCP            $14,004,703
Kuzma          $13,000,000
Hachimura       $6,263,188
Avdija          $4,916,160
Kispert         $3,552,960
Gafford         $1,930,681
Carey           $1,782,621
Todd            $1,563,518
Total         $118,109,531

I am guessing that Todd & Carey will not be useful next season. That leaves you with (not in ranked order):

PG:
SG: Beal/Kispert/KCP
SF: KCP/Kispert/Avidja/Hachimura
PF: Kuzma/Porzingis/Avidja/Hachimura
C: Porzingis/Gafford

The second elephant in the room is at PG. The list of UFA at point guard is shall we say, underwhelming:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/point-guard/

That means that PG is coming from the draft or in a trade (or both) (as many have pointed out). I think that our draft position and being able to draft TyTy. I hope that we also purchase a 2nd round pick to that end. I would also think a trade with a team like Orlando that is short on forwards and long on PGs would be a possibility.

If Beal opts in - then maybe it is time to move him full-time to PG?

Anyway, my 1/2 cent on what Tommy must be thinking right now?

Delon Wright... atleast you now he can play defense and hit some 3s.

We got the MLE and biannual exception... plus a trade exception from Holiday trade to PHX. We'll be about $25M under the luxury tax

[Frichuela]

Beal is of course the elephant in the room.

Code: Select all

Beal           $37,262,300
Porziņģis      $33,833,400
KCP            $14,004,703
Kuzma          $13,000,000
Hachimura       $6,263,188
Avdija          $4,916,160
Kispert         $3,552,960
Gafford         $1,930,681
Carey           $1,782,621
Todd            $1,563,518
Total         $118,109,531

I am guessing that Todd & Carey will not be useful next season. That leaves you with (not in ranked order):

PG:
SG: Beal/Kispert/KCP
SF: KCP/Kispert/Avidja/Hachimura
PF: Kuzma/Porzingis/Avidja/Hachimura
C: Porzingis/Gafford

The second elephant in the room is at PG. The list of UFA at point guard is shall we say, underwhelming:
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/point-guard/

That means that PG is coming from the draft or in a trade (or both) (as many have pointed out). I think that our draft position and being able to draft TyTy. I hope that we also purchase a 2nd round pick to that end. I would also think a trade with a team like Orlando that is short on forwards and long on PGs would be a possibility.

If Beal opts in - then maybe it is time to move him full-time to PG?

Anyway, my 1/2 cent on what Tommy must be thinking right now?

Very underwhelming indeed... And in the draft, I can not see any prospects we could start at PG straight away. Maybe we get incredibly lucky with a top-3 pick and draft Jaden Ivey. He is not a PG but more of a combo guard. And maybe...he could mix well with Beal in the back court. Another option in the draft is Tyty, but he does not look he is starter material right away. A third option at combo guard is 6' 6 Dyson Daniels, who has potential but is again too young and raw as a prospect.

In terms of trades, Jalen Suggs has been suggested here but I can not see ORL trading him for say Rui+9th/10th pick...