Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m all for starting Herro or more preferably if he’s back to himself, Dipo. I disagree with making him the go to alpha scorer though. He’s much more inefficient when compared to Jimmy and Bam at scoring and we all know his efficiency takes an even bigger dip when he starts this year. I actually believe Herro can be used the exact same way as Duncan with the starters but he can take it a step further because he’s a 3 level scorer who can create his own shot and make reads that Duncan isn’t able to. Maybe that role will increase his efficiency.

I understand the need to maximize Herros scoring as that may be his only skill that’s currently above average so we can test some things. Jimmy and Bam need to be taking the most shots though, there’s no way around it. They’re our best and most efficient players/scorers

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Some people really believe this guy is a better defender and player than Bam, can’t make this up. Bam will NEVER be played off the court in any setting.

[carnageta]

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Some people really believe this guy is a better defender and player than Bam, can’t make this up. Bam will NEVER be played off the court in any setting.

I love it. We're one more 'early Utah playoff exit' way from Donavan Mitchell in a Heat uniform.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

[MorbidHEAT]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

Heartbreaking.

[twix2500]

To be fair, in the context of things. Most high scoring bench players have mediocre efficiency, there have been a few of them through the years that are the exception. This is mostly due to playing with other players who don't take much defensive pressure away from you like the starters will keep their defenders honest most of the time.

However in my Opinion, Hero has been very sloppy with his handle this year, there have been games where he seems locked in and making the right plays and others not so much. Perhaps it's because he was given full reign of the bench mob so he feels like isn't needed to be held to a standard as long as he is putting up points vs the opposing bench. Whatever the case is he will need to clean it up, before given the opportunity to play as a starter. His defense also needs to improve, like Duncan he will be targeted on switches all game taken to the rack or backed into the basket. His only benefit is that when his shot is not falling behind the arch, he can still take his man off the dribble unlike Duncan, and he is pretty decent at setting up team mates off the bounce. Additionally with better offensive players beside him as a starter theirs more opportunity for cleaner assist.

The math still stays the same, its not about Jim, Low, Bam to lose shot attempts its staggering them for those to stay the same. Hero can still get 8-12 attempts surrounded by starters same as Duncan would, and then put up another 3-6 either being sat earlier and brought out with the bench for a few minutes or left out longer and give the others more rest. Its about balancing the shot attempts in not about reducing them.

I will say that when he does start sometimes or is out there with starters, our team does have a bad habit of giving him the ball with the shot clock winding down as last prayer attempt from him. They don't involve him in early into the shot clock like they purposely with Duncan on sets to get him going with some three bombs. I think it does have something to do with our offensive game plan centered around Duncan or 3pt shooting and they go away from that when Hero is in the game.

Whatever the case there's some game plan adjustments needed from the team, coaching staff, and Hero ultimately for him to transition into a starter. lets see how it plays out next year, I expect more things from both him and the team as a whole.

The point of him coming off the bench is to stagger him. Its to allow him to get shots without taking shots away from Bam and Butler. And if you are taking ball handling from him because you want Lowry and Butler to handle now he just a spot up shooter.

You can not have everything happen all at once. Its a give and take situation. Duncan and Tucker are in the starting lineup because they do not take away usage from Bam, Butler and Lowry. Those two positions are for low usage off ball players.

Basically putting him in the starting lineup is saying you want him to have MORE mins with Bam, Butler and Lowry together. For what? To stand in the corner or take the ball away from one or two of the three?

And I know some just want him to start for bragging rights. I'm not debating with those people. Thats just whatever.

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Does your theory hold weight when Tyler is in the closing lineup more times then not with the starters? The whole starting Duncan or his importance with the starters has jumped the shark already. It comes off as a pity move not to hurt Duncan mentally or having to start his contract.

Closing situation is a different strategy, than throughout the game. You are talking about the last 2 mins of the game and defenses running different sets to force you to scramble.

Early in the game, Spo may want Bam to get going early to force the defense to adjust and play a certain way then counter with Jimmy to expose the defense adjustment etc. You are running plays not worried about the clock and to try to set up something later. Defenses are not pressing the ball handler so you can run your designed sets. Bam and Jimmy are the most efficient scorers on the team so you want to run sets to get the ball in their best spots.

Its a completely different situation last two mins of the game, where you are worried about the clock, teams will try to force the ball out of the desired ball handler hands thus you may need multiple ball handlers to bring the ball up to get in your set or may not be able to get in your sets at all and freelance. Etc etc etc etc etc.....

The last mins of a game is usually Inefficient because teams are free lancing with ball handling. Because defenses and the clock are putting you in that Inefficient type of play. Set plays are more efficient but more time consuming. Its the reason teams press not let you in your sets by running the clock down and to force the ball out of your best ball handler hands.

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*sorry if this sounds like jibberish.

[MettaWorldPanda]

So I'm guessing Goran is going to end up with the Milwaukee Bucks. Our roster is currently full and it does not look like we are suddenly going to release Haywood Highsmith in the second day of this 10 day contract. More likely then not Highsmith is in a tryout period while the Heat get to survey the buyout market for a backup 4 a little bit longer.

[fishfuego.]

So the theory here is to play less talented one dimensional players with Bam,Lowry, and Butler? Like having to start Duncan over a healthy Oladipo and Herro? This is getting really silly at this point.

Although with Spo and crew you’ll never know, I would say that it is mismanagement on the coaches to watch for extended periods of times the starting unit struggling (Duncan bricking shots), while waiting for the exact time per data sheet to make the substitution, I say, don’t wait to the 5 minute mark on the first quarter, make the sub at the 7 min mark and bring Herro to try to even the score.
That would would at least make sense and ease up many fans wondering why Duncan even starts at this point.

[dshearn]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

Heartbreaking.

it is,

Getting Goran back on the roster would have been win.

[Rodrizzle]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

Heartbreaking.

it is,

Getting Goran back on the roster would have been win.

They also said there was a high percentage Herro was getting traded too. Wouldn't read much into it

[fishfuego.]

So I'm guessing Goran is going to end up with the Milwaukee Bucks. Our roster is currently full and it does not look like we are suddenly going to release Haywood Highsmith in the second day of this 10 day contract. More likely then not Highsmith is in a tryout period while the Heat get to survey the buyout market for a backup 4 a little bit longer.

Horrible.
Addition by subtraction should be the mind set. Stop a player from joining the opposition. Of course the subtraction would be stopping the Bucks from getting Dragic.

[MorbidHEAT]

So I'm guessing Goran is going to end up with the Milwaukee Bucks. Our roster is currently full and it does not look like we are suddenly going to release Haywood Highsmith in the second day of this 10 day contract. More likely then not Highsmith is in a tryout period while the Heat get to survey the buyout market for a backup 4 a little bit longer.

Horrible.
Addition by subtraction should be the mind set. Stop a player from joining the opposition. Of course the subtraction would be stopping the Bucks from getting Dragic.

Agreed. I wouldn't want Goran added to any title contender, especially not in conference. Even if i didn't just want him back because I do, I would do it just for that.

[AirP.]

Heartbreaking.

it is,

Getting Goran back on the roster would have been win.

They also said there was a high percentage Herro was getting traded too. Wouldn't read much into it

Unless they said 100% there's also a chance it doesn't happen.

Take the info for what it's worth, the info to me says that the FO was leaning towards using Herro to upgrade. Herro was the best asset Miami "may" move at that time.

I really don't get why people don't understand rumors, most of everything talked about by teams/GMs doesn't happen but it lets you get a glimpse of what way they're trying to move at that time. Miami didn't get PJ Washington, Rui or Batum but we now know Miami was looking for a backup PF, they just were hoping to get one for the cheap.

[AirP.]

BTW, how pissed is the Houston FO currently who thought they'd at least move up a few spots in the draft by swapping their Brooklyn pick with Miami's, that's really the only asset they got for Oladipo. Not to mention the guy they didn't take... LeVert just netted Indiana an extra 1st and 2nd round pick.

[twix2500]

Looks like the veteran 4s that the Heat were interested in as buyout players may remain with the their teams. Ariza may still be a possibility but Lakers may keep him just for the play in.

[Wiltside]

BTW, how pissed is the Houston FO currently who thought they'd at least move up a few spots in the draft by swapping their Brooklyn pick with Miami's, that's really the only asset they got for Oladipo. Not to mention the guy they didn't take... LeVert just netted Indiana an extra 1st and 2nd round pick.

If Dipo comes back looking good and gives us a big lift during the back half of the year and playoffs...that deal was a masterstroke by Riles.

Very curious to see what we have up our sleeve for the offseason too. There's 100% a reason why we made that deal with OKC, and it wasn't just to open up a roster spot for Caleb.

Perhaps they're going to look at a S&T of Herro and use 1sts to go for a star? We have Dipo bird rights, which could be very useful if he plays well and stays healthy.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

Well that’s dumb, let him go to a rival team while we rely on an unproven player on the playoffs. Let’s hope we get all star Dipo.

[twix2500]

BTW, how pissed is the Houston FO currently who thought they'd at least move up a few spots in the draft by swapping their Brooklyn pick with Miami's, that's really the only asset they got for Oladipo. Not to mention the guy they didn't take... LeVert just netted Indiana an extra 1st and 2nd round pick.

If Dipo comes back looking good and gives us a big lift during the back half of the year and playoffs...that deal was a masterstroke by Riles.

Very curious to see what we have up our sleeve for the offseason too. There's 100% a reason why we made that deal with OKC, and it wasn't just to open up a roster spot for Caleb.

Perhaps they're going to look at a S&T of Herro and use 1sts to go for a star? We have Dipo bird rights, which could be very useful if he plays well and stays healthy.

It all depends on what happens in the playoffs.

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[twix2500]

Ethan just said on his pregame podcast with Greg that someone in the organization told him zero percent Dragic comes back. They like Gabe and feel good about Oladipo’s progress.

Well that’s dumb, let him go to a rival team while we rely on an unproven player on the playoffs. Let’s hope we get all star Dipo.

Dragic might be getting a decent contract from someone

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