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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#781 » by mattao313 » Mon Feb 14, 2022 3:24 pm

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mattao313 wrote:I was skeptical of Chet as well before the college season started but watching him man the guy is just to good to pass up. He has the potential to be a mini gobert with a 3pt shot and decent ball handling.

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A Gobert that can hit the 3 with regularity. Obviously projecting him to be defensive player of the year level is a bit ambitious but if he can translate that elite defense to go along with what should translate, his 3 point shot, that's a hell of a player and fits that "unicorn" mold, can't think of another one like that in the NBA.

I'll be fascinated to see how he does in the NCAA tourney against NBA level talent. It's going to be an interesting/fun time for us Pistons fans because all of the top 6 (The Big 3, Ivey, Mathurin, Davis) are on elite college teams so we're going to get a lot of viewings of these guys on the big stage. If Sharpe had played for Kentucky, that would have made it a top 7 but, alas, wasn't meant to be. I live for March Madness every year but this year has a lot more spice to it.


Yup it is ambitious but he's the guy at the top who has the clearest path to be elite on one side of the ball. It's a higher chance he becomes elite on Defense compared to any one of Banchero, Jabari, Ivey being an elite offensive player.

Yup March madness is gonna be fun for the lottery team this year. Even if chet flames out in March hopefully he'll fall right in our lap on draft day.

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Post#782 » by zeebneeb » Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:01 am

I see what Chet is doing defensively in college, and if he can do that in the NBA, and Bagley pans out?

See, this is what happens with me. I get excited at the prospect of an amazing front court. Wish it was like the old Pistons...
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Post#783 » by Piston Pete » Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:43 pm

I’d love to see a scenario where Gonzaga and Auburn go head-to-head in March Madness!
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Post#784 » by MotownMadness » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:52 pm

Jabari and Chet both had big games last night. Jabari was really impressive and Chet was playing against a very bad Pepperdine but still nice.



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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#785 » by MotorCade2 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:19 pm

Jabari Smith is 1 dimensional, Chet Holmgren's leg's looks like they are going to break any second now, and Ivey has concerns with his jumpshot and shot selection. Idk.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#786 » by GreekAlex » Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:05 pm

MotorCade2 wrote:Jabari Smith is 1 dimensional, Chet Holmgren's leg's looks like they are going to break any second now, and Ivey has concerns with his jumpshot and shot selection. Idk.


Sounds like you’re ready to trade down LOL
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Post#787 » by MotorCade2 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:56 pm

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MotorCade2 wrote:Jabari Smith is 1 dimensional, Chet Holmgren's leg's looks like they are going to break any second now, and Ivey has concerns with his jumpshot and shot selection. Idk.


Sounds like you’re ready to trade down LOL


I am usually against that but if we get the 1st pick I wouldn't mind trading down to 4 and getting an extra pick or asset.
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Post#788 » by MotownMadness » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:59 pm

I don't think I would trade out of a chance at Jabari or Chet. Those two are starting to separate themselves in my opinion.
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Post#789 » by MotorCade2 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:00 am

MotownMadness wrote:Jabari and Chet both had big games last night. Jabari was really impressive and Chet was playing against a very bad Pepperdine but still nice.





Smith got fouled on one put back attempt at the rim but every single one of his field goal attempts was a jumpshot I am pretty sure. That is alarming.
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Post#790 » by MotownMadness » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:20 am

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MotownMadness wrote:Jabari and Chet both had big games last night. Jabari was really impressive and Chet was playing against a very bad Pepperdine but still nice.





Smith got fouled on one put back attempt at the rim but every single one of his field goal attempts was a jumpshot I am pretty sure. That is alarming.

Yeah we're not seeing much dribbling game out of him but he's a great shooter at 6'10.
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Post#791 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:31 am

Sam V mock just put out on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/suusnq/sam_vecenie_2022_nba_mock_draft_50_chet_holmgren/

Heres what was said about the main four guys that we will have our eyes on. Honestly for me if its any of these 4 I'll be happy. I like the bigs more but if we end up with a high end athlete like Ivey I'm not gonna be mad.

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Chet Holmgren

Chet Holmgren slides up to No. 1, as there just isn’t anyone playing better than him in the entirety of college basketball right now...It’s becoming more and more difficult to come to any conclusion other than Holmgren having the most two-way upside in this class...He’s not Evan Mobley on the perimeter, but he’s smart with his angles and moves well enough to get by away from the basket. He can play with another big, something that will be important early in his NBA career with his lack of bulk. He’s also known as an elite competitor and a strong character player. Essentially, the only worry here is his frame, as Holmgren is about 20-25 pounds skinnier than even Mobley was last year. But his upside is just tremendous, and he’s worth taking at No. 1.

2) Jabari Smith Jr.

Smith drops a spot here, but I’m still a believer in him being a terrific, high-upside forward. There are few better 6-foot-10-plus shooters to have entered the NBA over the last decade...On top of that, he’s a really sharp team defender with good lateral quickness who has no issues defending in space or rotating into the right spots as an impactful defender. Having said that, I do wonder if we might be taping over some of his flaws a bit in a way that we didn’t early in the season with Holmgren. Announcers constantly ask Smith to create and try to get his own shot more and to attack the basket more. I kind of think that, at least in the half court, he’s just not really capable of that yet as a ballhandler...He’s a terrific, unselfish player who doesn’t force the issue, but he hasn’t made a ton of consistent, awesome passing reads yet this season. So while I’m definitely a believer that all of this will come, it’s worth noting that Smith isn’t a finished package...it might take some time for him to reach stardom — if the ballhandling improvement comes.

3) Jaden Ivey

Jaden Ivey is the most electrifying man in college basketball entertainment this season, a one-man fast break waiting to happen with explosive speed who is constantly attacking downhill...Scouts are enamored with Ivey’s athleticism and ability to make things happen on the court, believing that it’ll play up even further once he gets out of Purdue’s drag-it-out half-court offense that always has a man waiting at the rim as a help defender on his drives due to the presence of Edey and Trevion Williams. Ivey does have some work to do in terms of skill...operating out of ball screens...Defensively, he could stand to improve at the point of attack...His feel for scoring versus distributing...his jumper could stand to just be a touch more consistent. But all of this is fixable. What isn’t fixable are Ivey’s immense tools at the lead guard spot, where he’ll immediately enter the NBA as one of its best athletes.

4) Paolo Banchero

Paolo Banchero and Smith are interesting contrast points, as they both figure to primarily play as 6-foot-10 fours in the NBA. Banchero is the more impressive shot creator, a genuine mismatch player in the mid-post and on the block who can use his combination of strength and skill to get to his spot and finish. Smith doesn’t really have that ability, and it’s why Banchero has been a bit more consistent as a scorer...However, when Smith isn’t scoring, he impacts the game in a multitude of other ways, particularly on defense. When Banchero isn’t scoring, there are times where he can kind of get invisible in every aspect of the game...Because his jumper isn’t awesome yet, his good games can end up looking a bit less impressive in the box score than they are while watching in real time. Still, being able to create a shot with legitimate skill is one of the more important traits a player can possess when it comes to projecting All-Star outcomes.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#792 » by MotorCade2 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:40 am

Yeah Holmgren was my least favorite of the bunch but I am warming up to him a big more. If he was 30 pounds heavier it would be a no brainer. I think he moves kind of slow and awkward too though. I could live with any of those 4 honestly.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#793 » by GreekAlex » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:15 am

To me Chet is too big of a gamble. Regardless of his immense upside, he clearly has the biggest bust potential imo.

I’d hate to blow a high lottery pick after getting Cade.
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Post#794 » by edmunder_prc » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:17 am

MotownMadness wrote:Jabari and Chet both had big games last night. Jabari was really impressive and Chet was playing against a very bad Pepperdine but still nice.






A positive for Chet in his thin frame - he can get around people easily for put backs, offense rebounds, moving around.

He's not bulky so he doesnt get caught up on people when they to box him out. He's 2D basically and slips past them.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#795 » by edmunder_prc » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:19 am

GreekAlex wrote:To me Chet is too big of a gamble. Regardless of his immense upside, he clearly has the biggest bust potential imo.

I’d hate to blow a high lottery pick after getting Cade.



Just as a super thin, stretch 4, he cant possibly bust.

He shoots the 3 too well for that. Have him stand by the 3 point line and drain 3s. On defense he will block shots and cause issues. If he never puts the dribbling and driving together he still will be an insane pick and roll/pop guy. Exactly what the team needs now.
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Post#796 » by Piston Pete » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:20 am

I think it’s true that Weaver is looking at the guards heavy in this draft.

Ivey
Sharpe
Murray
Davis
Mathurin

Look at our PF/C depth next season if Bagley is extended:

PF - Grant / Bagley / Livers
C - Stewart / Olynyk / Garza

Not sure where one of the big 3 (if drafted) would fit here or how they would manage to log any significant minutes.
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Post#797 » by bstein14 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:45 am

Piston Pete wrote:I think it’s true that Weaver is looking at the guards heavy in this draft.

Ivey
Sharpe
Murray
Davis
Mathurin

Look at our PF/C depth next season if Bagley is extended:

PF - Grant / Bagley / Livers
C - Stewart / Olynyk / Garza

Not sure where one of the big 3 (if drafted) would fit here or how they would manage to log any significant minutes.


We're almost certainly going to add one guard and one big man... one with our top 5 pick and one with our cap space. I'd be shocked if all we did was keep those 4 guys up front and draft a guard. Seems like there has to be one more rotation piece coming in as well.

Cade
Grant
Top 5 pick
2022 FA signing
Bey
Stewart
Diallo
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Frontcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / Stewart
Frontcourt: Grant / (Bagley or Olynyk)
Wing: Bey / Diallo
Backcourt: Cade / (Frank or CoJo)
Backcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / (CoJo, Lee or Hayes)

Obviously things change if we end up making a trade.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#798 » by MotorCade2 » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:55 am

bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:I think it’s true that Weaver is looking at the guards heavy in this draft.

Ivey
Sharpe
Murray
Davis
Mathurin

Look at our PF/C depth next season if Bagley is extended:

PF - Grant / Bagley / Livers
C - Stewart / Olynyk / Garza

Not sure where one of the big 3 (if drafted) would fit here or how they would manage to log any significant minutes.


We're almost certainly going to add one guard and one big man... one with our top 5 pick and one with our cap space. I'd be shocked if all we did was keep those 4 guys up front and draft a guard. Seems like there has to be one more rotation piece coming in as well.

Cade
Grant
Top 5 pick
2022 FA signing
Bey
Stewart
Diallo
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Frontcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / Stewart
Frontcourt: Grant / (Bagley or Olynyk)
Wing: Bey / Diallo
Backcourt: Cade / (Frank or CoJo)
Backcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / (CoJo, Lee or Hayes)

Obviously things change if we end up making a trade.


Yeah this is what I am thinking too. We have a musical chair game of assets to add a big and a guard.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#799 » by Piston Pete » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:04 am

bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:I think it’s true that Weaver is looking at the guards heavy in this draft.

Ivey
Sharpe
Murray
Davis
Mathurin

Look at our PF/C depth next season if Bagley is extended:

PF - Grant / Bagley / Livers
C - Stewart / Olynyk / Garza

Not sure where one of the big 3 (if drafted) would fit here or how they would manage to log any significant minutes.


We're almost certainly going to add one guard and one big man... one with our top 5 pick and one with our cap space. I'd be shocked if all we did was keep those 4 guys up front and draft a guard. Seems like there has to be one more rotation piece coming in as well.

Cade
Grant
Top 5 pick
2022 FA signing
Bey
Stewart
Diallo
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Frontcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / Stewart
Frontcourt: Grant / (Bagley or Olynyk)
Wing: Bey / Diallo
Backcourt: Cade / (Frank or CoJo)
Backcourt: (Top 5 pick or FA) / (CoJo, Lee or Hayes)

Obviously things change if we end up making a trade.


Assuming we extend Bagley, the only way we have an open *rotational* spot in the frontcourt is if we trade away one of Grant or Olynyk.

Grant / Bagley
Stewart / Olynyk

Barring injury, there aren’t minutes there for anyone else.

The backcourt is much more open. The draft pick can easily take all, or a large chunk of the minutes currently going to Joseph and/or McGruder.

Many reports out and about how Weaver keeps mentioning the guards he likes in this draft. I think this is why.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#800 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:16 am

Piston Pete wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
Piston Pete wrote:I
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Many reports out and about how Weaver keeps mentioning the guards he likes in this draft. I think this is why.



James Edwards is the one who reported that this was also just posted on Reddit from an athletic article. He wrote the Pistons like the the 3 bigs first then Murray at 4 followed by Ivey. The Pistons will surely be drafting the best available player. You dont draft in the top 4 and think about fit with guys like Grant and Stewert for next season.

Heres the post with leak from the paywall article.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/sut0be/pistons_beat_writer_james_edwards_iii_reveals_the/

"Edwards has inside sources w the organization so he shared what he heard about a team w a likely top 5 pick:

Jabari Smith Jr.

“I’m of the belief that the Pistons see Smith, Banchero and Holmgren all in similar tiers and are fans of all three. But I think Smith would be the selection if the draft were tomorrow.”

2. Chet Holmgren

3. Paolo Banchero

4. Keegan Murray

“Of all the names listed, I’m sure this is the biggest surprise. Murray hasn’t been mentioned much when discussing the top seven or so prospects in this draft class, but he probably should be… Murray has fans in Detroit.”

5. Jaden Ivey

6. Ben Mathurin"

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