Offseason Brogdon sweepstakes

[8305]

Why does Brogdon have to go? I like Hali+Brogs.

I don’t see why Brogdan can’t play with Hali either. Just means he needs to play off the ball. His skills fit that roll better anyway. I also don’t see why Hali, Duarte and Brogdan couldn’t play together. Brogdan guarding the 3. Once again an assignment that better fits his skill set as opposed to guarding pg’s.

Personally, I’d be looking to trade him. Where he doesn’t fit is age. Move for a piece (singular) whose age matches the rest of this team.

[Wizop]

I don’t see why Brogdan can’t play with Hali either. Just means he needs to play off the ball.

I'm guessing the plan is to finish the season with Brogdon, Hali, and Duarte (Warren) all starting and to see how it goes. If Brogdon doesn't ask to be traded in the summer, they could just keep him.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don’t see why Brogdan can’t play with Hali either. Just means he needs to play off the ball.

I'm guessing the plan is to finish the season with Brogdon, Hali, and Duarte (Warren) all starting and to see how it goes. If Brogdon doesn't ask to be traded in the summer, they could just keep him.

Agreed. The belief is simply that Hali needs to be the lead guard and that Brogdon will want to be, too. If Brogdon is willing to play more off the ball, like he did in Milwaukee, then it seems like they could totally coexist. And if Indy thinks Duarte can play the 3 long term, there’s no issue at all, and it could be wildly successful. But that’s a lot of if’s.

[Wizop]

And if Indy thinks Duarte can play the 3 long term, there’s no issue at all, and it could be wildly successful. But that’s a lot of if’s.

yes although I'm hoping the draft gives us a 3, and I'm not giving up on Brissett and Taylor being 3/4s.

[Topofthekey]

And if Indy thinks Duarte can play the 3 long term, there’s no issue at all, and it could be wildly successful. But that’s a lot of if’s.

yes although I'm hoping the draft gives us a 3, and I'm not giving up on Brissett and Taylor being 3/4s.

Doesn't look like there's a 3 near the top of the draft though. Unless their pick drops, Pacers will have to trade down if they are targeting a 3

But is trading down what they should do with the best pick they've had in decades? Seems like a waste of a once in several decades opportunity

About Brogdon, I do think that they are going to use the rest of the season to see how Brogdon meshes with Haliburton (and Duarte)

It could work, but as Scoot said that's a lot of ifs

[Wizop]

Doesn't look like there's a 3 near the top of the draft though. Unless their pick drops, Pacers will have to trade down if they are targeting a 3

not in what looks to be the consensus top 4 but there are wings at 5-10. plus, there will be wings at the Cleveland pick.

[Topofthekey]

Doesn't look like there's a 3 near the top of the draft though. Unless their pick drops, Pacers will have to trade down if they are targeting a 3

not in what looks to be the consensus top 4 but there are wings at 5-10. plus, there will be wings at the Cleveland pick.

True, drafting a 3 in the mid to late lottery sounds reasonable, but that requires either their pick to drop, which sucks, or them trading down, which also sucks

They could also draft a 3 with the Cavs pick, hopefully they can hit like they did with Isaiah Jackson

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[Scoot McGroot]

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Nah. Fool me once...

[MKWB]

I like New Orleans as an option:

New Orleans could build a strong lineup by adding a reliable pg-
pg - Brogdon, (Graham or Kira)
sg - CJ, Murphy
sf - Ingram, HJones
pf - Zion, Nance
c - Val, Hayes

IND sends Brogdon
NO sends - picks (MIL 2025 and 2027 firsts - with top 8 protection added so NO gets benefit if pick hits big) and either Kira or Graham, matching salary combo of (Temple, Hermangomez, NMarshall)

Indy would need some pick incentive - but not a crazy amount since getting expiring contracts. Depending on where draft slots fall, could be a 2022 pick(instead.

This up has nothing for Indy. There’s not any use for Kira or Graham in Indy with Haliburton and McConnell at PG, and Duarte/Buddy at the SG spot. Waiting for a long time for picks with essentially no lotto upside (with the protections you suggest) means this offer provides almost nothing at all. I’d imagine this kind of offer doesn’t even elicit discussion going forward for Indy.

In your opinion, what would be a fair, realistic trade offer to get Brogdon to the Pelicans? You seem to have a good pulse on the Pacers' value of their players and what they're worth for trades. Respect for consistently batting away less than stellar offers for your team's good players.

So for matching salary purposes: Graham + Temple + _____ prospect (Murphy, Kira, Or WHG + Naji with more pick incentive to offset value) + ____ draft pick(s)?

Seems like Graham would have to be re-routed to a 3rd team, in your opinion.

How serious is Brogdon's injury? How do you think it would affect his trade value?

Does Trey Murphy being included change the value significantly?
How many / which draft picks would be sufficient?

[Adrian Street]

And if Indy thinks Duarte can play the 3 long term, there’s no issue at all, and it could be wildly successful. But that’s a lot of if’s.

yes although I'm hoping the draft gives us a 3, and I'm not giving up on Brissett and Taylor being 3/4s.

Doesn't look like there's a 3 near the top of the draft though. Unless their pick drops, Pacers will have to trade down if they are targeting a 3

But is trading down what they should do with the best pick they've had in decades? Seems like a waste of a once in several decades opportunity

About Brogdon, I do think that they are going to use the rest of the season to see how Brogdon meshes with Haliburton (and Duarte)

It could work, but as Scoot said that's a lot of ifs

The Pacers are currently 5th in tank standings, we will likely draft 6th or 7th after the ping pong balls drop. At that position, I would be happy with Shaedon Sharpe, Ben Mathurin, Johnny Davis or AJ Griffin. Any of the 4 could play with Duarte and Hali and be very good in a couple years. Portland would currently have picks 8 and 9, maybe consider a deal around 5,if we stay there, and the Cavs 1st for the 2 Portland picks. It's going to be an interesting draft.

[Gremz]

Trade Brogdon and the Cavs 1st for the highest pick possible.

[Wizop]

How serious is Brogdon's injury? How do you think it would affect his trade value?

the stories suggest they caught some soreness early and sat him to allow full healing rather than risk it becoming a serious injury. some would call it a semi-tank. he couldn't be traded until after the deadline anyway so there was nothing to be gained by showcasing him. all signs point to him playing soon and his summer trade value will be established by his late season performance - and our desire to trade him will be established by his late season attitude.

[RoyceDa59]

I don’t see it as a sweepstakes. The league is absolutely flooded with amazing young guards and when you factor in his contract + injury situation he will net a good return but it won’t be a buying frenzy.

I’m sure Lakers & Clippers would love his services but not sure they have the assets to get him.

[Wizop]

I don’t see it as a sweepstakes. The league is absolutely flooded with amazing young guards and when you factor in his contract + injury situation he will net a good return but it won’t be a buying frenzy.

it also won't be a selling frenzy.

[MKWB]

How serious is Brogdon's injury? How do you think it would affect his trade value?

the stories suggest they caught some soreness early and sat him to allow full healing rather than risk it becoming a serious injury. some would call it a semi-tank. he couldn't be traded until after the deadline anyway so there was nothing to be gained by showcasing him. all signs point to him playing soon and his summer trade value will be established by his late season performance - and our desire to trade him will be established by his late season attitude.

Thanks for the update. Makes sense. Wanna take a swing at a suitable but reasonable Pelicans trade offer for him?

[Wizop]

Thanks for the update. Makes sense. Wanna take a swing at a suitable but reasonable Pelicans trade offer for him?

I doubt there is one as you are way over the cap and into taxland. the salaries would have to match on your end and that is probably only possible with Brogdon and McConnell for Ingram and I wouldn't call that suitable.

[8305]

Thanks for the update. Makes sense. Wanna take a swing at a suitable but reasonable Pelicans trade offer for him?

I doubt there is one as you are way over the cap and into taxland. the salaries would have to match on your end and that is probably only possible with Brogdon and McConnell for Ingram and I wouldn't call that suitable.

Don’t know what the appropriate value piece would be to fill out a Brogdan for Ingram trade. Unfortunately, Ingram is about the only guy on that roster that makes any sense in Indiana.

[Scoot McGroot]

How serious is Brogdon's injury? How do you think it would affect his trade value?

the stories suggest they caught some soreness early and sat him to allow full healing rather than risk it becoming a serious injury. some would call it a semi-tank. he couldn't be traded until after the deadline anyway so there was nothing to be gained by showcasing him. all signs point to him playing soon and his summer trade value will be established by his late season performance - and our desire to trade him will be established by his late season attitude.

Thanks for the update. Makes sense. Wanna take a swing at a suitable but reasonable Pelicans trade offer for him?

Yeah. Hard to say. As others have said, possibly something around Brogdon for Ingram or, if you have the LA pick at the bottom of the top 10 (basically, not jumping into the top 4), that might be a starter. Or something around a draft pick swap if NO has something jump to 3/4 and Indy’s around 5-7? Hard to say. The hardest part is the salary matching. Indy would have no interest in Val or Graham, but they obviously hold value to NO. Probably something 3 team wise? Even then, it’s hard to find something that works for NO.

[Nate the Great]

Okay, this may get me laughed off the thread, but…Brogdon for All-Star forward Andrew Wiggins? Wiggins is a great defender and is shooting really well. He would also be a large expiring contract.

I think the Warriors would consider it if they felt Kuminga was ready to start; he’s been playing great as of late. Draymond’s absence has forced Steph into a pure point guard role. He’s good at it, but his shooting suffers as a result. The more passers in the Warriors system, the better.

If my math is right, the Pacers would have to add at least $4.2 million more to make it work, cap-wise. Goga, maybe?