2022 NBA Draft

[The Moose]

People were jumping up and down too early on his 3% considering he was a bad shooter last season.

Did anybody actually buy Ivey as a 40% 3pt shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did.

love these posts on the heels of two of his worst shooting games which brought his % down to a lowly 38%. If he simply has one great shooting night his next game should someone say..... "people were doubting his 3% considering he was 40% until two games ago? Did anyone actually buy Ivey as a sub 40% shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did. Hur dur"

Its more about the fact that Ivey had 3pt and ft shooting splits of 26/72 last season in the NCAA. In the U19 world championships, he had shooting splits of 28/70. Then this season in the NCAA, he started off hitting 40%+ from 3(while his ft% remain unchanged) and people were trying to sell the idea that he was now a potential elite shooter.

Very reminiscent of Davion Mitchells 40%+ 3pt last season as a massive outlier

[The-Power]

People were jumping up and down too early on his 3% considering he was a bad shooter last season.

Did anybody actually buy Ivey as a 40% 3pt shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did.

love these posts on the heels of two of his worst shooting games which brought his % down to a lowly 38%. If he simply has one great shooting night his next game should someone say..... "people were doubting his 3% considering he was 40% until two games ago? Did anyone actually buy Ivey as a sub 40% shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did. Hur dur"

Ivey could shoot 45% this year on 3s and I wouldn't buy him as an NBA 40% 3pt shooter. Track record, FT% as well as shooting form and arc are sufficient indicators that he's not an elite shooter by any stretch of the imagination. Which is fine, he just needs to be respectable so that defenses can't just play him for the drive all the time, and this year he has shown signs that he could realistically get there. I have him #1 on my big board – but the hope that he's an elite shooter isn't among the reasons why.

[CptCrunch]

Ivey's recent poor shooting could be him regressing to this true mean shooting skills. He is a 6'4" (so probably 6'2" - 6'3" w/o shoes) shooting guard who will have to play point guard at the next level. His passing stats are mediocre (3.1 AST to 2.3 TOV). His shooting ain't that hot (73% FT shooter, 38.4% from college 3). I have a difficult time placing him in the same tier as the 3x PF at the top: Chet, Paolo, Jabari.

Simply, there is no prior for undersized shooting guards succeeding (ie reaching superstar level) in the league. They are all role players or low tier all-stars in the best case. Undersized shooting guards who can't pass aren't that valuable. Because if they could, they would be playing point guard in the league/college. I really don't see how some of you are excited about a 6'4" on paper shooting guard.

Ivey, Sharpe, Griffin are basically the same players in terms of overall archetype - different shooting guards more or less with flaws. Ivey is quite small and somewhat mediocre at shooting. Griffin has had some injury concerns and is just barely average in athleticism (but he is smooth, and incredibly quick laterally, he just isn't explosive). Sharpe is the pure athletic here, but hasn't and probably won't play a minute of college ball.

Chet: PF/C
Paolo: PF
Jabari: PF
Ivey: SG/PG
Sharpe: SG/PG
AJ Griffin: SG/SF

[basketballRob]

Anyone else feel like Chet may force his way to Orlando to play with Suggs? Apparently they've been playing with each other since the 3rd grad.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

Anyone else feel like Chet may force his way to Orlando to play with Suggs? Apparently they've been playing with each other since the 3rd grad.

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it's an interesting thought, but no chance that happens.

[basketballRob]

Anyone else feel like Chet may force his way to Orlando to play with Suggs? Apparently they've been playing with each other since the 3rd grad.

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it's an interesting thought, but no chance that happens.

Why not? If the Magic have like the 3rd pick he can just opt not to give his medical info or workout for the top 2 teams. He could even walk around on crutches.

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[SeattleJazzFan]

Anyone else feel like Chet may force his way to Orlando to play with Suggs? Apparently they've been playing with each other since the 3rd grad.

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it's an interesting thought, but no chance that happens.

Why not? If the Magic have like the 3rd pick he can just opt not to give his medical info or workout for the top 2 teams. He could even walk around on crutches.

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i should have clarified as to why there is no chance that happens.

that's not who he is. it's not in his dna to be that sort of prima donna.

[basketballRob]

it's an interesting thought, but no chance that happens.

Why not? If the Magic have like the 3rd pick he can just opt not to give his medical info or workout for the top 2 teams. He could even walk around on crutches.

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i should have clarified as to why there is no chance that happens.

that's not who he is. it's not in his dna to be that sort of prima donna.

I agree with that, but if you listen to Chet and Jalen, they're like family and Chet would probably be more comfortable with his big brother on the team.

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[zimpy27]

Did anybody actually buy Ivey as a 40% 3pt shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did.

love these posts on the heels of two of his worst shooting games which brought his % down to a lowly 38%. If he simply has one great shooting night his next game should someone say..... "people were doubting his 3% considering he was 40% until two games ago? Did anyone actually buy Ivey as a sub 40% shooter on fairly high volume? I can't imagine anyone actually did. Hur dur"

Ivey could shoot 45% this year on 3s and I wouldn't buy him as an NBA 40% 3pt shooter. Track record, FT% as well as shooting form and arc are sufficient indicators that he's not an elite shooter by any stretch of the imagination. Which is fine, he just needs to be respectable so that defenses can't just play him for the drive all the time, and this year he has shown signs that he could realistically get there. I have him #1 on my big board – but the hope that he's an elite shooter isn't among the reasons why.

If you compare his numbers to last season then they are all pretty similar, his blk% is half as good this year and his 3% is much improved and it's boosted his TS%. That's really all that's changed.

So I'm wondering why wasn't Ivey not a top prospect last season? Why didn't he enter the draft last season?

The stats suggest his improvement on box scores is all based in a leap in 3%. So why do you now not waiver from the number 1 spot for him if his 3% is steadily dropping from beginning of season to now?

What aspects are you seeing now by watching him that weren't there last season?

[basketballRob]

Watch on YouTube

Suggs is going to Gonzaga Saturday for Senior night.

[DCasey91]

CaptnCrunch how is anyway shape or form Fox similar to Butler that can shoot? I don’t see a flaw Griffin Jr he’s the real deal. Wait until the pros where he gets floor ballhandling duties as he should just like in his junior days.

There’s no question mark on his athleticism he can and does a lot of space laterally. Also look at his size for god sakes lol. That’s excellent at the 2/3 switch spot.

Ivey is a Fox/Schroder type, quick small guards with suspect jumpers.

Nothing alike

Mark my words ADJ will the best pro guard in this draft.

[SelfishPlayer]

People should compare Ivey to UCLA Westbrook. Ivey doesn't need to be a good NBA 3 point shooter to be an All Star PG. Ivey is a more worthy #1 overall pick than Markelle Fultz. Why? Because he can create his own space and even play off ball. Fultz needed a pick.

[zimpy27]

People should compare Ivey to UCLA Westbrook. Ivey doesn't need to be a good NBA 3 point shooter to be an All Star PG. Ivey is a more worthy #1 overall pick than Markelle Fultz. Why? Because he can create his own space and even play off ball. Fultz needed a pick.

Ok but Ivey did that last year, why wasn't he a top prospect last year? Why isn't he already on an NBA team?

[DCasey91]

Ivey won’t be as big as Westbrook or have the insane best of all time motor. Might be a smarter ball player but Brodie is a freak athlete. Don’t put Ivey as pick 1 it’s NBA basketball. Ivey’s PG skills aren’t out of the box either.

Fultz was more impressive albeit lesser comp but was younger, bigger and showed the whole works as a combo guard.

I wouldn’t have Fox as number one type pick material. And Ivey is not Morant (Higher level floor man).

[SelfishPlayer]

People should compare Ivey to UCLA Westbrook. Ivey doesn't need to be a good NBA 3 point shooter to be an All Star PG. Ivey is a more worthy #1 overall pick than Markelle Fultz. Why? Because he can create his own space and even play off ball. Fultz needed a pick.

Ok but Ivey did that last year, why wasn't he a top prospect last year? Why isn't he already on an NBA team?

Westbrook was drafted after his sophomore season.

[zimpy27]

People should compare Ivey to UCLA Westbrook. Ivey doesn't need to be a good NBA 3 point shooter to be an All Star PG. Ivey is a more worthy #1 overall pick than Markelle Fultz. Why? Because he can create his own space and even play off ball. Fultz needed a pick.

Ok but Ivey did that last year, why wasn't he a top prospect last year? Why isn't he already on an NBA team?

Westbrook was drafted after his sophomore season.

Yeah but he played in 9 minutes a game as a freshman, Ivey played 24 minutes a game.

Westbrook also improved a lot in assists which is what got him drafted since he had a role on an NBA team. Assist rate doubled.

[The-Power]

The stats suggest his improvement on box scores is all based in a leap in 3%. So why do you now not waiver from the number 1 spot for him if his 3% is steadily dropping from beginning of season to now?

Well, for starters the improvement in his shooting is absolute key. When an explosive Guard improves from very questionable shooter to somewhat reliable, that alone raises the stock considerably. And while I'm not buying him as a 40% shooter, I certainly have more faith in him now compared to last year when it comes to being a passable shooter. Even his current conference 3P% is up 10% from last year's conference play, and 5% from his overall 3P%. The improvement is undeniable despite the recent drop. Also, you neglect his noticeable increase in FTr which boosts his efficiency.

He has also shown more as a playmaker this year. Most importantly perhaps, however, is that he clearly improved athletically. He not only bulked up considerably but also became a lot more explosive, to the point that I think he's one the most explosive Guards in the NBA from day one. He has always been quick but if you watch him now compared to his Freshman season, it's quite the difference. And for the NBA level, going from good to elite in an important area can indeed make all the difference in a player's ceiling. Take away some of Dwayne Wade's or Derrick Rose's explosion and you simply have someone who's considerably more limited ceiling wise even if they'd still be really explosive.

Take all of this together – improvement in shooting, more playmaking flashes, and entering the upper echelon of explosive athletes – and I honestly don't see how anyone could NOT have him considerably higher than last year where all of that was much more of a question mark.

[The-Power]

Ivey's recent poor shooting could be him regressing to this true mean shooting skills. He is a 6'4" (so probably 6'2" - 6'3" w/o shoes) shooting guard who will have to play point guard at the next level. His passing stats are mediocre (3.1 AST to 2.3 TOV). His shooting ain't that hot (73% FT shooter, 38.4% from college 3). I have a difficult time placing him in the same tier as the 3x PF at the top: Chet, Paolo, Jabari.

Simply, there is no prior for undersized shooting guards succeeding (ie reaching superstar level) in the league. They are all role players or low tier all-stars in the best case. Undersized shooting guards who can't pass aren't that valuable. Because if they could, they would be playing point guard in the league/college. I really don't see how some of you are excited about a 6'4" on paper shooting guard.

Ivey has a reported 6'9/6'10 wingspan and has a good frame. He definitely isn't undersized, and there are plenty of similar-sized or smaller SGs/CGs in NBA that are All-Stars. Not to mention that positional height gets overrated nowadays. Ivey can play next to any PG in the league without it posing a problem of size on defense, so why would he have to play PG? That makes no sense.

[clyde21]

kinda like how people actually thought Davion Mitchell was a 40% shooter last yr that was a fun one

[CptCrunch]

Do we have any college senior guards for the age is just a number crew to salivate over this year?