Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft

[wco81]

Remember they have a FRP and SRP in the next draft.

May be projects but that could be one or two roster spots.

[Old_Blue]

I think Wiggins is extremely likely to be on the team next year.

As recently as a couple of months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, it's clear that Kuminga is going to be ready sooner than any of us imagined. Wiggins plays the same position as Kuminga but will cost $28 million more next season. It's not a knock against Wiggins. He's worked himself into being a legitimate All Star selection. It's just a case of dollars and cents. My question is what the team can get in exchange for Wiggins.

[tarantism]

I think Wiggins is extremely likely to be on the team next year.

As recently as a couple of months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, it's clear that Kuminga is going to be ready sooner than any of us imagined. Wiggins plays the same position as Kuminga but will cost $28 million more next season. It's not a knock against Wiggins. He's worked himself into being a legitimate All Star selection. It's just a case of dollars and cents. My question is what the team can get in exchange for Wiggins.

Kuminga primarily plays the 4 for the Warriors...and he projects as a four. Also Steve Kerr said they saw him as a four. No reason that he and Wiggins cannot coexist. In fact, theoretical lineups featuring Kuminga would benefit from Wig's spot up shooting.

Also a hard no thank you on Gobert. Doesn't fit the team, and I don't feel great about a guy his size getting up in age on a huge contract.

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[wco81]

Wiggins right now is their main guy at the end of the shot clock expected to create.

He can make some pull up midrange jumpers, go to the rim or step back 3.

Lot of times his shots are ugly but he's making 3s at a high rate. Would like to see a break down of catch and shoot 3 vs. pull up 3s for him.

But JK hasn't shown that ability yet.

Unless we think JK can start at 3 next year with similar efficiency and shot creation Warriors will need another wing defender/shot creator, either to start or play at least 20-24 minutes off the bench.

That kind of player may command $15 million in free agency and even if they let Wiggins walk next year, his departure wouldn't create a salary slot big enough to sign a quality wing.

So they can trade Wiggins next year as an expiring or extend him.

I don't know what he would bring back in a trade though.

If Wiggins in the playoffs plays as well as he has in the regular season and then starts next season with the same form, the only reason to trade him would be that the Warriors are out of contention early or Lacob wants luxury tax relief no matter what it does to the competitiveness of the team.

If he wasn't planning to be competitive for a few more years, he shouldn't have given Curry that huge extension.

[EvanZ]

Kuminga is not replacing Wiggins.

[tarantism]

Where is all of this "Kuminga plays the 3" stuff coming from?

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[EvanZ]

Where is all of this "Kuminga plays the 3" stuff coming from?

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[KevinMcreynolds]

yeah, technically Barnes at 7 is a good pick but he'll never be remembered for anything but blowing the 2016 finals

For me, losing in 2016 was all Draymond. I'm surprised that some blame Barnes for that.

HB was 5-32 from 3 in games 5-7, most were wide open looks

Other contributing factors:
Draymond suspension
Steph sucking butt in games 5 and 7
Festus being out there in game 7

[HiRez]

Random factoid: Kuminga tied with Mobley for rookie leader in Win Shares Per 48 Minutes (WS/48).

[DonaldSanders]

Anyone know why when Kuminga looks like he can't be stopped at the rim we don't just keep going back to the well?

Are other teams making good adjustments preventing him from continuing?

Reminds me of when I used to watch younger LeBron and I'd think "their best play is LeBron going to the hoop, I don't get why they don't do it more."

[and1GS]

We do spam Kuminga quite a bit, but when we stop I think it's one of three things. The scenario you mentioned (them bringing help or just knowing what's coming), he starts missing a few or we want to have a more flowing offense. It kinda reminds me of back in the playoffs against the Spurs when we posted up Harrison trip after trip and ended up losing because we were swapping 2s for 3s or nothing for 2s.

Right now Kuminga is at his best when he brings extreme variety to our attack, not when he's made a volume scorer. In his current role he can be highly efficient and devastating so I'm ok with how they're handling that right now.

[oaktownwarriors87]

I think Wiggins is extremely likely to be on the team next year.

As recently as a couple of months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, it's clear that Kuminga is going to be ready sooner than any of us imagined. Wiggins plays the same position as Kuminga but will cost $28 million more next season. It's not a knock against Wiggins. He's worked himself into being a legitimate All Star selection. It's just a case of dollars and cents. My question is what the team can get in exchange for Wiggins.

Kuminga primarily plays the 4 for the Warriors...and he projects as a four. Also Steve Kerr said they saw him as a four. No reason that he and Wiggins cannot coexist. In fact, theoretical lineups featuring Kuminga would benefit from Wig's spot up shooting.

Also a hard no thank you on Gobert. Doesn't fit the team, and I don't feel great about a guy his size getting up in age on a huge contract.

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The problem with Kuminga at 4 is that he can’t guard bigs or rebound.

He’s not a 4.

[SpreeS]

Kuminga is/will be 3rd our forward (after Green/Wiggs) in rotation for next 2y. At the moment he is better at SF on defensive end and at PF on offensive end. Looking in the future, I see him at PF position with Wiggs, but he could play as combo forward too, if we need size. Also he played with DEN at 3 with Bjelica/Porter in last game. This combination is perfect for Kuminga to play at 3 with floor spacers

[tarantism]

As recently as a couple of months ago, I would have agreed with you. Now, it's clear that Kuminga is going to be ready sooner than any of us imagined. Wiggins plays the same position as Kuminga but will cost $28 million more next season. It's not a knock against Wiggins. He's worked himself into being a legitimate All Star selection. It's just a case of dollars and cents. My question is what the team can get in exchange for Wiggins.

Kuminga primarily plays the 4 for the Warriors...and he projects as a four. Also Steve Kerr said they saw him as a four. No reason that he and Wiggins cannot coexist. In fact, theoretical lineups featuring Kuminga would benefit from Wig's spot up shooting.

Also a hard no thank you on Gobert. Doesn't fit the team, and I don't feel great about a guy his size getting up in age on a huge contract.

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The problem with Kuminga at 4 is that he can’t guard bigs or rebound.

He’s not a 4.

The rebounding has been a mixed bag. A lot of it has to do with instincts. But starting at the four I don't see why he would have to primarily guard bigs? Most teams have a least one front court player who's focus is to space the floor. A theoretical defensive group of Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Kuminga/Green has a ton of switchability and versatility. Plus you can put any of Klay, Wigs or Kuminga on the opposing PG, allowing them to effectively hide Curry.

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[superunknown]

yeah, technically Barnes at 7 is a good pick but he'll never be remembered for anything but blowing the 2016 finals

For me, losing in 2016 was all Draymond. I'm surprised that some blame Barnes for that.

HB was 5-32 from 3 in games 5-7, most were wide open looks

Other contributing factors:
Draymond suspension
Steph sucking butt in games 5 and 7
Festus being out there in game 7

you forgot to mention bogut going down in game 5.
we played the second half of game 5, game 6 and game 7 without him. that was huge as well.

[Mac1958]

Yeah, not a big fan of moving Wiggins.

In my little brain, I envision him as the elder statesman (31) in five years, with Kuminga, Wiseman, Moody and maybe Poole rounding out the core, with some new pickups and draft picks added to it.

[EvanZ]

Wiggins also not going to get a max deal his next contract, so he's probably going to peak in value in 2-3 seasons.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Kuminga primarily plays the 4 for the Warriors...and he projects as a four. Also Steve Kerr said they saw him as a four. No reason that he and Wiggins cannot coexist. In fact, theoretical lineups featuring Kuminga would benefit from Wig's spot up shooting.

Also a hard no thank you on Gobert. Doesn't fit the team, and I don't feel great about a guy his size getting up in age on a huge contract.

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The problem with Kuminga at 4 is that he can’t guard bigs or rebound.

He’s not a 4.

The rebounding has been a mixed bag. A lot of it has to do with instincts. But starting at the four I don't see why he would have to primarily guard bigs? Most teams have a least one front court player who's focus is to space the floor. A theoretical defensive group of Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Kuminga/Green has a ton of switchability and versatility. Plus you can put any of Klay, Wigs or Kuminga on the opposing PG, allowing them to effectively hide Curry.

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It has a lot of switchability, unless they have a big that can score/rebound/dunk.

Draymond works as an undersized 4 because he can rebound, protect the rim and he's super strong.

We've been getting eaten alive inside with Kuminga/Looney. Kuminga/Green won't be better.

[DevinVassell]

Wiggins also not going to get a max deal his next contract, so he's probably going to peak in value in 2-3 seasons.

Wiggins will be 27yo and ABSOLUTELY looking for another MAX contract in 23-24. That's how it works in todays NBA.

... and that's why we will move him.

[Old_Blue]

Wiggins also not going to get a max deal his next contract, so he's probably going to peak in value in 2-3 seasons.

Wiggins will be 27yo and ABSOLUTELY looking for another MAX contract in 23-24. That's how it works in todays NBA.

... and that's why we will move him.

I don't see Wiggins getting a max deal from anyone. However, I do see him getting an offer in the range of 4 years / $100 million from some other team. That's the main reason why I say he's likely to be moved. The team is going to have to choose between Wiggins or Poole, who will also be set for a raise to the $20-$25 million per year range. The team can't be writing a check to the league for $200+ million in luxury taxes for the next five years.