Offseason Brogdon sweepstakes

[psman2]

Would Atlanta make sense for Brogdon?

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

[Topofthekey]

8 pages in so this is probably suggested but I’ll go

Brogdon and 22nd for KCP and 9ish

I don’t have Brogdon worth 10 on his own, but if you do then leave out the Cavs first.

Brogdon/Beal/Deni/Kuzma/KP feels like a nice fit staggering Deni/Brogdon and adding some defense

I think I posted earlier that I value Brogdon at around the #6-8 pick in a draft, so this is slightly less than what I would accept

Main problem is I don't see KCP as positive for Pacers, as they already have players like Duarte and Hield and Washington

I would be very interested if Avdija was part of the package instead of KCP though. Obviously Pacers would add more value

[MoneyTalks41890]

Would Atlanta make sense for Brogdon?

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

[pacers33granger]

If you are Indiana, you kinda have to take that, right? Further clears the Cap space, have two top-10 picks, Hali, Duarte, Turner, Goga. If you can get something for Hield then, even better. Have one year playing the rookie and whoever is left. Many possibilities after that

Yeah, I'd want to get a few vets for the lockerroom, but it really opens things up and allows us to take two swings instead of one that we may not have again for awhile. KCP should definitely have some sort of value too.

And/or a TJ/Ish swap? Maybe throw in Brissett? Not sure about his fit with Kuz/Rui/Deni/Kispert but it’s something.

Not sure what the line would be for over correcting the original value. But I’d love to have TJ as the third guard behind Beal/Brogdon.

I feel Washington would want the space over TJ. I have him as neutral value at best, but maybe I'm off there. Oshae, the HOU 2nd, or future picks are probably the likely value we'd have to add in a Brogdon deal, though Rick seems to like Brissett.

[Topofthekey]

Okay, this may get me laughed off the thread, but…Brogdon for All-Star forward Andrew Wiggins? Wiggins is a great defender and is shooting really well. He would also be a large expiring contract.

If Warren doesn't return healthy this year, the Pacers would have to consider this.

I think Pacers just considers this regardless of Warren

Wiggins is actually a pretty good player these days. How much of that is a product of having Draymond around to yell at him is unclear

[Scoot McGroot]

8 pages in so this is probably suggested but I’ll go

Brogdon and 22nd for KCP and 9ish

I don’t have Brogdon worth 10 on his own, but if you do then leave out the Cavs first.

Brogdon/Beal/Deni/Kuzma/KP feels like a nice fit staggering Deni/Brogdon and adding some defense

I'd do that. I also don't have Brogdon worth 10 on his own. Not sure Washington wants to go with so much injury history in it's starting lineup though. As a fan of a team who tried it for years, I'd advise against it.

Yeah, I’d hope that Brogdon would be worth 10-ish, but obviously that could be negotiated based on where Washington’s pick ends up and whether it’s the Cavs pick or the Houston 2nd. But the general idea is amenable, for sure.

But, how is Washington making this work? I don’t think they’d have the cap space, so they’d have to match salaries and send out another couple million, meaning KCP would have to be guaranteed and still one of Kuzma, Rui, Deni, Ish (fully guaranteed), or Kispert. But even then, probably better for all if KCP is sent to a 3rd team, as with Duarte and Buddy, there’s not a ton of need there. I think we’d prefer that Duarte stay at the 2 with length instead of play the 3 as a bit shorter option there?

[Topofthekey]

8 pages in so this is probably suggested but I’ll go

Brogdon and 22nd for KCP and 9ish

I don’t have Brogdon worth 10 on his own, but if you do then leave out the Cavs first.

Brogdon/Beal/Deni/Kuzma/KP feels like a nice fit staggering Deni/Brogdon and adding some defense

I'd do that. I also don't have Brogdon worth 10 on his own. Not sure Washington wants to go with so much injury history in it's starting lineup though. As a fan of a team who tried it for years, I'd advise against it.

Yeah, I’d hope that Brogdon would be worth 10-ish, but obviously that could be negotiated based on where Washington’s pick ends up and whether it’s the Cavs pick or the Houston 2nd. But the general idea is amenable, for sure.

But, how is Washington making this work? I don’t think they’d have the cap space, so they’d have to match salaries and send out another couple million, meaning KCP would have to be guaranteed and still one of Kuzma, Rui, Deni, Ish (fully guaranteed), or Kispert. But even then, probably better for all if KCP is sent to a 3rd team, as with Duarte and Buddy, there’s not a ton of need there. I think we’d prefer that Duarte stay at the 2 with length instead of play the 3 as a bit shorter option there?

If we draft one of the bigs at the top of the draft, then ideally Avdija is the one who gets involved, though I can settle for Kispert

KCP would have to be routed elsewhere, agreed

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd do that. I also don't have Brogdon worth 10 on his own. Not sure Washington wants to go with so much injury history in it's starting lineup though. As a fan of a team who tried it for years, I'd advise against it.

Yeah, I’d hope that Brogdon would be worth 10-ish, but obviously that could be negotiated based on where Washington’s pick ends up and whether it’s the Cavs pick or the Houston 2nd. But the general idea is amenable, for sure.

But, how is Washington making this work? I don’t think they’d have the cap space, so they’d have to match salaries and send out another couple million, meaning KCP would have to be guaranteed and still one of Kuzma, Rui, Deni, Ish (fully guaranteed), or Kispert. But even then, probably better for all if KCP is sent to a 3rd team, as with Duarte and Buddy, there’s not a ton of need there. I think we’d prefer that Duarte stay at the 2 with length instead of play the 3 as a bit shorter option there?

If we draft one of the bigs at the top of the draft, then ideally Avdija is the one who gets involved, though I can settle for Kispert

KCP would have to be routed elsewhere, agreed

If one of the valued youngster is involved, I would imagine Indy would not be getting the top 10 pick without paying quite a bit more.

[psman2]

Would Atlanta make sense for Brogdon?

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

I think strong is too strong. Slightly better but still not a plus defender is how I would classify Brogdon over those guys.

[Topofthekey]

Yeah, I’d hope that Brogdon would be worth 10-ish, but obviously that could be negotiated based on where Washington’s pick ends up and whether it’s the Cavs pick or the Houston 2nd. But the general idea is amenable, for sure.

But, how is Washington making this work? I don’t think they’d have the cap space, so they’d have to match salaries and send out another couple million, meaning KCP would have to be guaranteed and still one of Kuzma, Rui, Deni, Ish (fully guaranteed), or Kispert. But even then, probably better for all if KCP is sent to a 3rd team, as with Duarte and Buddy, there’s not a ton of need there. I think we’d prefer that Duarte stay at the 2 with length instead of play the 3 as a bit shorter option there?

If we draft one of the bigs at the top of the draft, then ideally Avdija is the one who gets involved, though I can settle for Kispert

KCP would have to be routed elsewhere, agreed

If one of the valued youngster is involved, I would imagine Indy would not be getting the top 10 pick without paying quite a bit more.

Yea, Pacers would have to add significant value to that

I value Avdija over #10 in the draft actually, so given the choice I would rather pursue Avdija over the pick

I feel like Avdija slots in nicely with the rest of the starting lineup

Turner
Smith/Holmgren/Banchero
Avdija
Duarte
Haliburton

It's awkward to match value, because Avdija or #10 alone isn't enough for Brogdon (I feel), but together they are a big overpay

[CP War Hawks]

Would Atlanta make sense for Brogdon?

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

It depends on what the Pacers GM wants. The Hawks can offer a 1st rounder and ready rotation piece in Huerter or Bogdan.

[Nuntius]

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

I think strong is too strong. Slightly better but still not a plus defender is how I would classify Brogdon over those guys.

Brogdon is not a good defender at the point of attack but he is a strong defender against bigger wings.

[jayjaysee]

It's awkward to match value, because Avdija or #10 alone isn't enough for Brogdon (I feel), but together they are a big overpay

I have expirings and 10th as just about right for Brogdon. Probably call it an over pay but wouldn’t blame Washington type deal.

KCP and waiting 30 days for 10th pick to count matches Brogdon doesn’t it?

But if the pick moves up to 7/8 I feel like Indy needs to add the Cleveland first or some other type of value.

As for Deni. I have no idea how to value him. I’m sure Washington values him more than Indy which is why I went with the unknown/unloved draft pick.

I think Washington’s would offer would first be KCP+Kispert+and lightly protected 2023 first.. in order to keep Deni and 2022 first. Just not sure how I feel about that versus the singular better asset.

[Topofthekey]

Is he a better defender than Huerter or BB?

I don't think he is a big enough upgrade to warrant what the likely asking price is especially with his health history. I think Atlanta needs to look for a trade for a tier above Brogdon if they are going to outlay real assets.

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

It depends on what the Pacers GM wants. The Hawks can offer a 1st rounder and ready rotation piece in Huerter or Bogdan.

Do you have a starter quality 3 instead of Huerter?

[psman2]

He definitely is a strong defensive upgrade on those guys. The question is health and age.

I think strong is too strong. Slightly better but still not a plus defender is how I would classify Brogdon over those guys.

Brogdon is not a good defender at the point of attack but he is a strong defender against bigger wings.

A point of attack defender is likely what Atlanta needs more than a slower big wing defender.

[Topofthekey]

It's awkward to match value, because Avdija or #10 alone isn't enough for Brogdon (I feel), but together they are a big overpay

I have expirings and 10th as just about right for Brogdon. Probably call it an over pay but wouldn’t blame Washington type deal.

KCP and waiting 30 days for 10th pick to count matches Brogdon doesn’t it?

But if the pick moves up to 7/8 I feel like Indy needs to add the Cleveland first or some other type of value.

As for Deni. I have no idea how to value him. I’m sure Washington values him more than Indy which is why I went with the unknown/unloved draft pick.

I think Washington’s would offer would first be KCP+Kispert+and lightly protected 2023 first.. in order to keep Deni and 2022 first. Just not sure how I feel about that versus the singular better asset.

It's not bad actually, though as a Pacer fan I obviously feel that's not enough for Brogdon

It's a workable basis. A young 3 plus a pick feels like what Pacers should look for in a Brogdon deal

It's just a matter of haggling over the value, and finding ways to match salary without Pacers ending up with KCP

[CP War Hawks]

I think strong is too strong. Slightly better but still not a plus defender is how I would classify Brogdon over those guys.

Brogdon is not a good defender at the point of attack but he is a strong defender against bigger wings.

A point of attack defender is likely what Atlanta needs more than a slower big wing defender.

That is correct, the Hawks could still use his ball handling and pg duties once Trae sits. So he's basically the defender that Bogdan is. Has his achilles injury skewed his defense or has it fallen due to age.

[Wizop]

If you are Indiana, you kinda have to take that, right? Further clears the Cap space, have two top-10 picks, Hali, Duarte, Turner, Goga.

Jackson outplaying Goga.

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[Nuntius]

I think strong is too strong. Slightly better but still not a plus defender is how I would classify Brogdon over those guys.

Brogdon is not a good defender at the point of attack but he is a strong defender against bigger wings.

A point of attack defender is likely what Atlanta needs more than a slower big wing defender.

You asked if he's a better defender than Huerter and Bogdan, right? Neither Huerter nor Bogdan are point of attack defenders. They are both better suited to guard wings, not PGs. Brogdon is similar to that as well.

If Atlanta is looking for a point of attack defender then Brogdon doesn't fit that bill.

[Scoot McGroot]

It's awkward to match value, because Avdija or #10 alone isn't enough for Brogdon (I feel), but together they are a big overpay

I have expirings and 10th as just about right for Brogdon. Probably call it an over pay but wouldn’t blame Washington type deal.

KCP and waiting 30 days for 10th pick to count matches Brogdon doesn’t it?

But if the pick moves up to 7/8 I feel like Indy needs to add the Cleveland first or some other type of value.

As for Deni. I have no idea how to value him. I’m sure Washington values him more than Indy which is why I went with the unknown/unloved draft pick.

I think Washington’s would offer would first be KCP+Kispert+and lightly protected 2023 first.. in order to keep Deni and 2022 first. Just not sure how I feel about that versus the singular better asset.

We drafted Duarte over Kispert for the exact same role that either would fill. Less than no interest in playing them together, or acquiring Kispert just to compete with Buddy for that backup role, so that kind of idea is probably DOA.

I think, much like we did with Sabonis, we’d be looking for a singular piece in return in terms of the value, instead of a couple of lesser pieces like Kispert and a protected future pick.