Warriors select Jonathan Kuminga with the 7th pick of the 2021 NBA Draft

[michaelm]

The problem with Kuminga at 4 is that he can’t guard bigs or rebound.

He’s not a 4.

The rebounding has been a mixed bag. A lot of it has to do with instincts. But starting at the four I don't see why he would have to primarily guard bigs? Most teams have a least one front court player who's focus is to space the floor. A theoretical defensive group of Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Kuminga/Green has a ton of switchability and versatility. Plus you can put any of Klay, Wigs or Kuminga on the opposing PG, allowing them to effectively hide Curry.

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It has a lot of switchability, unless they have a big that can score/rebound/dunk.

Draymond works as an undersized 4 because he can rebound, protect the rim and he's super strong.

We've been getting eaten alive inside with Kuminga/Looney. Kuminga/Green won't be better.

Yes, both strong and long. Kuminga might get stronger as well, but not in time for this season's playoffs.

[and1GS]

No way he gets a max. You would have to be bonkers to give him $200M/5 years after seeing how his last big deal shook out. I agree with Old Blue that he will shake out in the 20-25m range, which is nba standard for a solid 3rd to 5th starter on a contender. Looking at how many bad deals have been handed out, 20 might would be a steal. It would put him around the 50th highest paid player in the league (if this happened today) and right next to names like Jerami Grant, Jarrett Allen and Sabonis.

Poole is the more interesting one IMO. We've seen Wiggins ceiling and we've seen what happens when more is expected of him so there isn't a ton of unknown there. Poole is almost entirely unknown. Is he on a Mitch Richmond trajectory? Van Exel with a longer sustained peak? Prime JR Smith? Or has he capped out and will round into form as present day Jordan Clarkson? The difficulty is we're paying for all that upside at a lower expected present day output. I could see him anywhere from 15-25m.

[michaelm]

yeah, technically Barnes at 7 is a good pick but he'll never be remembered for anything but blowing the 2016 finals

For me, losing in 2016 was all Draymond. I'm surprised that some blame Barnes for that.

HB was 5-32 from 3 in games 5-7, most were wide open looks

Other contributing factors:
Draymond suspension
Steph sucking butt in games 5 and 7
Festus being out there in game 7

What was worse was that Varejao also got minutes with games undecided.

You can game plan Bogut to the bench as the Cavs did in the 2015 finals, but he would have been the antidote to Lebron and Kyrie getting to the rim at will which is basically how the Cavs won once he went down.

I am happy to award the 2015 and 2016 titles to the teams that won them, but the dismissal of any and all injury problems GSW might have had in 2016 by Lebron/Cavs fans while claiming the 2015 title on the basis of injuries to Cavs players did annoy me at the time.

[EvanZ]

No way he gets a max. You would have to be bonkers to give him $200M/5 years after seeing how his last big deal shook out. I agree with Old Blue that he will shake out in the 20-25m range, which is nba standard for a solid 3rd to 5th starter on a contender. Looking at how many bad deals have been handed out, 20 might would be a steal. It would put him around the 50th highest paid player in the league (if this happened today) and right next to names like Jerami Grant, Jarrett Allen and Sabonis.

Poole is the more interesting one IMO. We've seen Wiggins ceiling and we've seen what happens when more is expected of him so there isn't a ton of unknown there. Poole is almost entirely unknown. Is he on a Mitch Richmond trajectory? Van Exel with a longer sustained peak? Prime JR Smith? Or has he capped out and will round into form as present day Jordan Clarkson? The difficulty is we're paying for all that upside at a lower expected present day output. I could see him anywhere from 15-25m.

Poole isn’t entirely unknown at this point. He’s not much better than Monta, if at all. Maybe a better shooter but doesn’t attack the basket as much as you’d hope for by now.


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[tarantism]

Put $5 on our guy for Rising Star MVP just for kicks!

Edit: looks like a bad bet so far. Kuminga looks like he doesn't even want to be there lol.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Probably the last we will see of kuminga this game, he was horrible out there.

[tarantism]

Probably the last we will see of kuminga this game, he was horrible out there.

Yeah it looked even worse cause the rest of his team was actually trying.

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[NeoWarriors]

Yeah. Kuminga looked completely disinterested.

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[tarantism]

Yeah. Kuminga looked completely disinterested.

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I thought maybe since he was originally snubbed he would come out with something to prove but...nope.

He's back in! He looks like somebody woke him up.

[tarantism]

He lives!

Edit: so JK made a smooth post fadeaway, then beat Sengun on a drive and had a nice kick out. He looked like he was ready to get involved and then GP1 pulls him.

I'm really starting to question these rotations.

[NeoWarriors]

I'm really starting to question these rotations.

I see what you did there.

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[GQ Hot Dog]

No way he gets a max. You would have to be bonkers to give him $200M/5 years after seeing how his last big deal shook out. I agree with Old Blue that he will shake out in the 20-25m range, which is nba standard for a solid 3rd to 5th starter on a contender. Looking at how many bad deals have been handed out, 20 might would be a steal. It would put him around the 50th highest paid player in the league (if this happened today) and right next to names like Jerami Grant, Jarrett Allen and Sabonis.

Poole is the more interesting one IMO. We've seen Wiggins ceiling and we've seen what happens when more is expected of him so there isn't a ton of unknown there. Poole is almost entirely unknown. Is he on a Mitch Richmond trajectory? Van Exel with a longer sustained peak? Prime JR Smith? Or has he capped out and will round into form as present day Jordan Clarkson? The difficulty is we're paying for all that upside at a lower expected present day output. I could see him anywhere from 15-25m.

Poole isn’t entirely unknown at this point. He’s not much better than Monta, if at all. Maybe a better shooter but doesn’t attack the basket as much as you’d hope for by now.


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Let's play a game.

Jordan Poole 28.8mpg 16.4ppg 3.1rpg 3.5apg 2.3tos .438/.338/.922
Mystery Man 28.5mpg 13.1ppg 3.9rpg 4.1apg 2.1tos .440/.339/.893

These are JP's numbers so far this season and those are the 3rd year numbers for our Mystery Man. Mystery Man couldn't agree to an extension with his team the following offseason and was eventually traded to a bad team that was eager to make a splash and who signed him to a big money, starter level deal that they came to regret and bought out the final year of.

That's the trajectory I suspect JP's career might take. He might be convinced to be a good soldier and stay on a shorter and cheaper deal if we're competing for championships and he's playing regular minutes but honestly, from what I've seen of JP's personality I don't think he's willing to fit into the 6th man role here that he seems destined to fill.

Anyone know who our Mystery Man is?

[and1GS]

No way he gets a max. You would have to be bonkers to give him $200M/5 years after seeing how his last big deal shook out. I agree with Old Blue that he will shake out in the 20-25m range, which is nba standard for a solid 3rd to 5th starter on a contender. Looking at how many bad deals have been handed out, 20 might would be a steal. It would put him around the 50th highest paid player in the league (if this happened today) and right next to names like Jerami Grant, Jarrett Allen and Sabonis.

Poole is the more interesting one IMO. We've seen Wiggins ceiling and we've seen what happens when more is expected of him so there isn't a ton of unknown there. Poole is almost entirely unknown. Is he on a Mitch Richmond trajectory? Van Exel with a longer sustained peak? Prime JR Smith? Or has he capped out and will round into form as present day Jordan Clarkson? The difficulty is we're paying for all that upside at a lower expected present day output. I could see him anywhere from 15-25m.

Poole isn’t entirely unknown at this point. He’s not much better than Monta, if at all. Maybe a better shooter but doesn’t attack the basket as much as you’d hope for by now.


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That's fair. IMO peak Monta was pretty great. I don't think Poole is there yet. Monta was much better at getting to the rim when he was younger as well - the two of them are really a tale of two eras, both chuckers in their own way.

My point was more that Poole's trajectory has been so sudden (worst player in the NBA to solid 6th man with upside in 3 years) that in negotiations I'm sure he'll argue he has high upside, but we don't really know how much. I can't necessarily tell if he has topped out or has a ton of room to grow. Reminds me a bit of Klay where he kept adding something year after year instead of topping out like Ben Simmons. You can't just assume players have that drive, you have to see it over time. Next year will be telling.

[Coxy]

Let's play a game.

Jordan Poole 28.8mpg 16.4ppg 3.1rpg 3.5apg 2.3tos .438/.338/.922
Mystery Man 28.5mpg 13.1ppg 3.9rpg 4.1apg 2.1tos .440/.339/.893

These are JP's numbers so far this season and those are the 3rd year numbers for our Mystery Man. Mystery Man couldn't agree to an extension with his team the following offseason and was eventually traded to a bad team that was eager to make a splash and who signed him to a big money, starter level deal that they came to regret and bought out the final year of.

That's the trajectory I suspect JP's career might take. He might be convinced to be a good soldier and stay on a shorter and cheaper deal if we're competing for championships and he's playing regular minutes but honestly, from what I've seen of JP's personality I don't think he's willing to fit into the 6th man role here that he seems destined to fill.

Anyone know who our Mystery Man is?

Same age?

Need a little more info to crack that nut.

[FNQ]

No way he gets a max. You would have to be bonkers to give him $200M/5 years after seeing how his last big deal shook out. I agree with Old Blue that he will shake out in the 20-25m range, which is nba standard for a solid 3rd to 5th starter on a contender. Looking at how many bad deals have been handed out, 20 might would be a steal. It would put him around the 50th highest paid player in the league (if this happened today) and right next to names like Jerami Grant, Jarrett Allen and Sabonis.

Poole is the more interesting one IMO. We've seen Wiggins ceiling and we've seen what happens when more is expected of him so there isn't a ton of unknown there. Poole is almost entirely unknown. Is he on a Mitch Richmond trajectory? Van Exel with a longer sustained peak? Prime JR Smith? Or has he capped out and will round into form as present day Jordan Clarkson? The difficulty is we're paying for all that upside at a lower expected present day output. I could see him anywhere from 15-25m.

Poole isn’t entirely unknown at this point. He’s not much better than Monta, if at all. Maybe a better shooter but doesn’t attack the basket as much as you’d hope for by now.


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Let's play a game.

Jordan Poole 28.8mpg 16.4ppg 3.1rpg 3.5apg 2.3tos .438/.338/.922
Mystery Man 28.5mpg 13.1ppg 3.9rpg 4.1apg 2.1tos .440/.339/.893

These are JP's numbers so far this season and those are the 3rd year numbers for our Mystery Man. Mystery Man couldn't agree to an extension with his team the following offseason and was eventually traded to a bad team that was eager to make a splash and who signed him to a big money, starter level deal that they came to regret and bought out the final year of.

That's the trajectory I suspect JP's career might take. He might be convinced to be a good soldier and stay on a shorter and cheaper deal if we're competing for championships and he's playing regular minutes but honestly, from what I've seen of JP's personality I don't think he's willing to fit into the 6th man role here that he seems destined to fill.

Anyone know who our Mystery Man is?

I'd take Poole right now over that guy at any point in his career. He also got derailed by constant injuries.. the difference is that that guy was a combo guard that couldnt shoot unless left wide open. Poole much better at creating his own shots. Also doesnt have the insane wingspan

But there's a lot of statistical and archetypal similarity there. I do think Poole would peak higher if given a team, and ironically I think Detroit is the team that would pay out for him.

[watch1958]

Kinda George Hill-ish, though Hill was a better 3pt guy. A guy to like but not fall in love with

[Dubs 707]

Harrison Barnes?

[watch1958]

Harrison Barnes?

Barnes has never averaged 4 assists.

[The-Power]

My point was more that Poole's trajectory has been so sudden (worst player in the NBA to solid 6th man with upside in 3 years) that in negotiations I'm sure he'll argue he has high upside, but we don't really know how much. I can't necessarily tell if he has topped out or has a ton of room to grow. Reminds me a bit of Klay where he kept adding something year after year instead of topping out like Ben Simmons. You can't just assume players have that drive, you have to see it over time. Next year will be telling.

You can say about Poole's upside what you want (fair enough), but if there's one thing to be certain of, it's that he's an incredibly hard worker. That's the one thing everyone keeps pointing to in unison.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Poole isn’t entirely unknown at this point. He’s not much better than Monta, if at all. Maybe a better shooter but doesn’t attack the basket as much as you’d hope for by now.


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Let's play a game.

Jordan Poole 28.8mpg 16.4ppg 3.1rpg 3.5apg 2.3tos .438/.338/.922
Mystery Man 28.5mpg 13.1ppg 3.9rpg 4.1apg 2.1tos .440/.339/.893

These are JP's numbers so far this season and those are the 3rd year numbers for our Mystery Man. Mystery Man couldn't agree to an extension with his team the following offseason and was eventually traded to a bad team that was eager to make a splash and who signed him to a big money, starter level deal that they came to regret and bought out the final year of.

That's the trajectory I suspect JP's career might take. He might be convinced to be a good soldier and stay on a shorter and cheaper deal if we're competing for championships and he's playing regular minutes but honestly, from what I've seen of JP's personality I don't think he's willing to fit into the 6th man role here that he seems destined to fill.

Anyone know who our Mystery Man is?

I'd take Poole right now over that guy at any point in his career. He also got derailed by constant injuries.. the difference is that that guy was a combo guard that couldnt shoot unless left wide open. Poole much better at creating his own shots. Also doesnt have the insane wingspan

But there's a lot of statistical and archetypal similarity there. I do think Poole would peak higher if given a team, and ironically I think Detroit is the team that would pay out for him.

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