Possible NBA Buyouts

[HairyGOATee]

The Mavs won't make an offer to Dragic per Mavs GM. I think the only possibility is to add a backup big who's better than Chriss. Sterling Brown must be the waive candidate given how the roster is set.

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

[HairyGOATee]

Honestly, since the NBA agreed to let teams use the 2 TWC players for the full season, I think the Mavs will sign a C with their extra Two-Way spot, and throw that person into the rotation every now and then. If Moses Brown clears waivers, then I think he gets that TWC.

[HMFFL]

Mavs GM Nico Harrison on signing players via buyout: ‘We’ve done our homework. So we think we know who’s going to get bought out. But at the end of the day, we have 15 roster spots already filled. And for us to bring somebody in whoever that person could be, we’d have to release somebody. And I don’t think we want to do that. I think we like we like our roster how it is. And there’s nobody that I would feel comfortable releasing at this point to add room for somebody else.’

 

– via DallasBasketball.com Staff @ Sports Illustrated



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[Teffer10]

Mavs GM Nico Harrison on signing players via buyout: ‘We’ve done our homework. So we think we know who’s going to get bought out. But at the end of the day, we have 15 roster spots already filled. And for us to bring somebody in whoever that person could be, we’d have to release somebody. And I don’t think we want to do that. I think we like we like our roster how it is. And there’s nobody that I would feel comfortable releasing at this point to add room for somebody else.’

 

– via DallasBasketball.com Staff @ Sports Illustrated



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Seems like Burke could be expendable now with all of the guards we have on the roster.

[Teffer10]

The Mavs won't make an offer to Dragic per Mavs GM. I think the only possibility is to add a backup big who's better than Chriss. Sterling Brown must be the waive candidate given how the roster is set.

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

[arkuo]

Mavs GM Nico Harrison on signing players via buyout: ‘We’ve done our homework. So we think we know who’s going to get bought out. But at the end of the day, we have 15 roster spots already filled. And for us to bring somebody in whoever that person could be, we’d have to release somebody. And I don’t think we want to do that. I think we like we like our roster how it is. And there’s nobody that I would feel comfortable releasing at this point to add room for somebody else.’

 

– via DallasBasketball.com Staff @ Sports Illustrated



https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-gm-nico-harrison-exclusive-porzingis-trade-luka-doncic-free-agency

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This is the most likely scenario that I feel they will go with as they seem comfortable with the guys they have. Powell and Maxi at center is not ideal, but adequate for what they plan to run now. It also means they value Ntlikina more than waiving him for a big man free agent.

[Darren]

Tristan Thompson and Robin Lopez are top of the list for me that realistically could be bought out and could help our frontcourt.

I think the Mavs would better off look at TWC candidate instead. Lopez averages 1.2 block, TT averages 1.1 block while Chriss averages 1.5 blocks per 36 minutes. Neither is actually better than Marquis Chriss. I know Chriss is inconsistent. But 24 year old is a commodities for years to come. We need insurance body for injuries, though. It doesn't sound goods to spend both TWC on guard. TT, in particular, is not a good option to me for 37.5% from FT.

[41Dirk41]

The Mavs won't make an offer to Dragic per Mavs GM. I think the only possibility is to add a backup big who's better than Chriss. Sterling Brown must be the waive candidate given how the roster is set.

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

[arkuo]

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Kidd is going full on modern NBA and center-less it seems. Gone are the days of high priced centers like Roy Hibbert and Andre Drummond. Joel Embiid seems to be the last of his kind, and even he tried to shoot more 3s. Eventually the NBA will move towards centerless basketball in favor of highly switchable players. as a 5-out offense just renders the big center obsolete. Eventually it will catch up. Bulky guys are still usable now but will likely see a drop in effectivity in the coming years. Which is probably why they gave up on the KP idea altogether as early sellers before the market for centers crash. When Curry and GSW started shooting all these threes and people said it will never stick, fast forward to today and everybody seems to be doing it and 3&D players have been scarce because people have been paying a premium for them. 3&D players are the next highly paid players in the NBA. Next to superstars.

[LAL1947]

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice?

At this early point in Nico's GM career, I don't know whether to trust him when he says they've done their homework on the buy-out market... after he said they did their homework on the draft and didn't see any value there.

Btw, agreed with those who think Tristan and RoLo aren't very good. Then again, Boban isn't either... but I guess he's immovable for now.

[arkuo]

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice?

At this early point in Nico's GM career, I don't know whether to trust him when he says they've done their homework on the buy-out market... after he said they did their homework on the draft and didn't see any value there.

Btw, agreed with those who think Tristan and RoLo aren't very good. Then again, Boban isn't either... but I guess he's immovable for now.

Yeah. It seems like he plans to steer the ship towards a more modern NBA style of team building. I don't see them signing a big hulking center in the offseason too. The skillset for those is still very limited and will most likely not change in the near future. They already paired Luka with a big center like Deandre Jordan and that wasn't too impressive either. I feel that centerless basketball is the coming trend. Especially when pretty much all teams love switching, the dribble drive, and pick and rolls. We've seen $200M centers like Rudy Gobert be rendered useless by the LA Clippers last playoffs when they went small. The answer to render Gobert useless is just the Clippers using Marcus Morris and Terrance Mann. WHen those guys stand alone, they shoot over Gobert from 3. If Gobert stands outside the paint, he isnt playing to his strengths and is thus rendered useless without the rebounds and the blocks.

[Archx]

Yeah. It seems like he plans to steer the ship towards a more modern NBA style of team building. I don't see them signing a big hulking center in the offseason too. The skillset for those is still very limited and will most likely not change in the near future. They already paired Luka with a big center like Deandre Jordan and that wasn't too impressive either. I feel that centerless basketball is the coming trend. Especially when pretty much all teams love switching, the dribble drive, and pick and rolls. We've seen $200M centers like Rudy Gobert be rendered useless by the LA Clippers last playoffs when they went small. The answer to render Gobert useless is just the Clippers using Marcus Morris and Terrance Mann. WHen those guys stand alone, they shoot over Gobert from 3. If Gobert stands outside the paint, he isnt playing to his strengths and is thus rendered useless without the rebounds and the blocks.

To be fair, DAJ was on a severe decline already and only cared about his precious rebounds. He was horrible on defense and didn't bother too much with scoring around the rim either. Was just a lazy player in general.

Gobert on the other hand would probably average 20ppg just from lobs. There is hardly anyone in the league that can outjump Gobert's long arms.

[arkuo]

Yeah. It seems like he plans to steer the ship towards a more modern NBA style of team building. I don't see them signing a big hulking center in the offseason too. The skillset for those is still very limited and will most likely not change in the near future. They already paired Luka with a big center like Deandre Jordan and that wasn't too impressive either. I feel that centerless basketball is the coming trend. Especially when pretty much all teams love switching, the dribble drive, and pick and rolls. We've seen $200M centers like Rudy Gobert be rendered useless by the LA Clippers last playoffs when they went small. The answer to render Gobert useless is just the Clippers using Marcus Morris and Terrance Mann. WHen those guys stand alone, they shoot over Gobert from 3. If Gobert stands outside the paint, he isnt playing to his strengths and is thus rendered useless without the rebounds and the blocks.

To be fair, DAJ was on a severe decline already and only cared about his precious rebounds. He was horrible on defense and didn't bother too much with scoring around the rim either. Was just a lazy player in general.

Gobert on the other hand would probably average 20ppg just from lobs. There is hardly anyone in the league that can outjump Gobert's long arms.

This is true. My only concern in getting a bigger center is guys like Nurkic or Valenciunas will take around $18M per to reel in. And I dont think the Mavs will get $18M in value coming back considering Kidd's system doesn't include running post up plays anymore. Centers in the modern NBA need to be switchable on defense and just catch lobs on offense. Luka will not stand in a corner and let a center post up, take 4 dribbles to back down and take a hook shot. I think that's also why they just sent KP away. Just run 100% of the offense through the guards. If it's a numbers game, then the pick and roll is a great bet than have an Andre Drummond type get 8 possessions a game where he backs down opponents in the post. Luka, Dinwiddie, Brunson driving for a tear drop or even Bertans or THJ launching from 3 might net better results. From an analytics standpoint. That being said, I think as a team built that way, you just have to allot 10 to 12M for a center like that. Which should give you a lot left for quality wings and guards. the downside though is 10 to 12M would buy you a Dwight Powell type.

[41Dirk41]

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Kidd is going full on modern NBA and center-less it seems. Gone are the days of high priced centers like Roy Hibbert and Andre Drummond. Joel Embiid seems to be the last of his kind, and even he tried to shoot more 3s. Eventually the NBA will move towards centerless basketball in favor of highly switchable players. as a 5-out offense just renders the big center obsolete. Eventually it will catch up. Bulky guys are still usable now but will likely see a drop in effectivity in the coming years. Which is probably why they gave up on the KP idea altogether as early sellers before the market for centers crash. When Curry and GSW started shooting all these threes and people said it will never stick, fast forward to today and everybody seems to be doing it and 3&D players have been scarce because people have been paying a premium for them. 3&D players are the next highly paid players in the NBA. Next to superstars.

Yes but Drummond and Hibbert were/are trash... I'm talking about Embiid, Jokic, Gobert, Ayton, Davis ecc ecc.
We can't match with those kind of players.

You can play small ball if you have Curry, KT and Durant. Only 1 team in the world can do that, or maybe 2 if you have Giannis.
If you face Embiid or Jokic and play small ball you will be destroyed.

[arkuo]

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Kidd is going full on modern NBA and center-less it seems. Gone are the days of high priced centers like Roy Hibbert and Andre Drummond. Joel Embiid seems to be the last of his kind, and even he tried to shoot more 3s. Eventually the NBA will move towards centerless basketball in favor of highly switchable players. as a 5-out offense just renders the big center obsolete. Eventually it will catch up. Bulky guys are still usable now but will likely see a drop in effectivity in the coming years. Which is probably why they gave up on the KP idea altogether as early sellers before the market for centers crash. When Curry and GSW started shooting all these threes and people said it will never stick, fast forward to today and everybody seems to be doing it and 3&D players have been scarce because people have been paying a premium for them. 3&D players are the next highly paid players in the NBA. Next to superstars.

Yes but Drummond and Hibbert were/are trash... I'm talking about Embiid, Jokic, Gobert, Ayton, Davis ecc ecc.
We can't match with those kind of players.

You can play small ball if you have Curry, KT and Durant. Only 1 team in the world can do that, or maybe 2 if you have Giannis.
If you face Embiid or Jokic and play small ball you will be destroyed.

Understood. The Mavs have about the tax payer MLE left to spend this summer. That is about 6.184M. I will say this for the record, if Drummond wants to sign up with Dallas for that amount, I say you have to give it a shot. It's really cheap. there are not a lot of quality big men or players willing to move places for only 6M a year. Especially if the team you are taking a pay cut for does not have a Lebron, Curry or KD in it.

[HairyGOATee]

The Mavs won't make an offer to Dragic per Mavs GM. I think the only possibility is to add a backup big who's better than Chriss. Sterling Brown must be the waive candidate given how the roster is set.

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Same. Sadly, I don't think it happens. :-/

[HairyGOATee]

Waiving Sterling Brown would create a dead cap hit next season though, which Cuban will surely want to avoid.

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Maybe they can sign one with the open Two-Way contract spot they got.

[HairyGOATee]

If Orlando would waive Lopez, that is a guy I wouldn't mind us picking up.

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Kidd is going full on modern NBA and center-less it seems. Gone are the days of high priced centers like Roy Hibbert and Andre Drummond. Joel Embiid seems to be the last of his kind, and even he tried to shoot more 3s. Eventually the NBA will move towards centerless basketball in favor of highly switchable players. as a 5-out offense just renders the big center obsolete. Eventually it will catch up. Bulky guys are still usable now but will likely see a drop in effectivity in the coming years. Which is probably why they gave up on the KP idea altogether as early sellers before the market for centers crash. When Curry and GSW started shooting all these threes and people said it will never stick, fast forward to today and everybody seems to be doing it and 3&D players have been scarce because people have been paying a premium for them. 3&D players are the next highly paid players in the NBA. Next to superstars.

Yeah, it looks like Kidd, Nico, and Cuban are trying to embrace what GSW and the Heat have done. The Mavs have a big body in Boban already, and if they want a guy to fill that role, then just use the open Two-Way spot. No need to create dead cap and lose an expiring contract as a trade chip for next season just because the team wants to rent Robin Lopez for a few months.

At this point, the cap strategy is more important, especially because the Mavs can't beat the likes of Phoenix just yet.

[Teffer10]

Tristan Thompson and Robin Lopez are top of the list for me that realistically could be bought out and could help our frontcourt.

I think the Mavs would better off look at TWC candidate instead. Lopez averages 1.2 block, TT averages 1.1 block while Chriss averages 1.5 blocks per 36 minutes. Neither is actually better than Marquis Chriss. I know Chriss is inconsistent. But 24 year old is a commodities for years to come. We need insurance body for injuries, though. It doesn't sound goods to spend both TWC on guard. TT, in particular, is not a good option to me for 37.5% from FT.

I'm fine with Chriss as a small ball center and certainly wouldn't waive him to sign Lopez.
He might be able to block shots, but he isn't a traditional sized center that can hang with guys like Rudy, Jokic, Adams, Ayton, etc...
Besides, Chriss probably won't get many minutes if Powell and Maxi are healthy.

Lopez would at least be an option if we get in a situation where a guy like Rudy just completely dominates us in the paint which will most likely happen if we face them in the POs.
As it stands right now, we have absolutely no options whatsoever if Powell gets thrown around like a ragdoll in the paint. Boban can give us a few minutes but is pretty much worthless on the defensive end.

[Teffer10]

Absolutely yes. We need a big body.

Kidd is going full on modern NBA and center-less it seems. Gone are the days of high priced centers like Roy Hibbert and Andre Drummond. Joel Embiid seems to be the last of his kind, and even he tried to shoot more 3s. Eventually the NBA will move towards centerless basketball in favor of highly switchable players. as a 5-out offense just renders the big center obsolete. Eventually it will catch up. Bulky guys are still usable now but will likely see a drop in effectivity in the coming years. Which is probably why they gave up on the KP idea altogether as early sellers before the market for centers crash. When Curry and GSW started shooting all these threes and people said it will never stick, fast forward to today and everybody seems to be doing it and 3&D players have been scarce because people have been paying a premium for them. 3&D players are the next highly paid players in the NBA. Next to superstars.

Yes but Drummond and Hibbert were/are trash... I'm talking about Embiid, Jokic, Gobert, Ayton, Davis ecc ecc.
We can't match with those kind of players.

You can play small ball if you have Curry, KT and Durant. Only 1 team in the world can do that, or maybe 2 if you have Giannis.
If you face Embiid or Jokic and play small ball you will be destroyed.

Hard to believe only two of us can see this very obvious problem.
Nico not seeing and understanding this is concerning to me.