Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[kuclas]

Based on Wood’s questionable fit/character:

HOU out: Gordon, Wood
HOU in: Harris, Springer, SAS SRP

PHI out: Harris, Springer
PHI in: Gordon, McDermott

SAS out: McDermott, SRP
SAS in: Wood


Maxey/Gordon/Milton
Harden/(Vet min)/Joe
McDermott/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Covington/Niang/Reed
Embiid/(Vet min)/Bassey

I like it, but why would Houston want Harris?

Then again, why would anyone want Harris? Tank commander, I suppose.

I think we'd have to give up a first to get an ok player back like we did in the Horford trade. Feel like with that we could get something better than Green, but McBuckets and Gordon seem too good to be true.

Honestly, I'm still surprised what McCollum fetched. I had him and Tobias in the same category. Maybe I'm off though.

What do you mean? Cj plus Larry Nance for …

Josh hart is meh. Only 12 million is guaranteed of his 3 years. The other two players are meh also with Alexander-walker included throw in salary fillers. And protected first round pick means nothing unless it’s instead the top 4 which it isn’t. It’s 5-14 and it’s not a deep draft and than it goes to 2025 top 4 protected which bucks pick.

[the_process]

Tobi to SAS for Dougie McBuckets.

Think this works straight up, or it’s close.

Doug can start at SF, then sign RoCo to start at PF. The bombers we need to surround Embiid and Harden.

Based on Wood’s questionable fit/character:

HOU out: Gordon, Wood
HOU in: Harris, Springer, SAS SRP

PHI out: Harris, Springer
PHI in: Gordon, McDermott

SAS out: McDermott, SRP
SAS in: Wood


Maxey/Gordon/Milton
Harden/(Vet min)/Joe
McDermott/Thybulle/Korkmaz
Covington/Niang/Reed
Embiid/(Vet min)/Bassey

I like it, but why would Houston want Harris?

Then again, why would anyone want Harris? Tank commander, I suppose.

San Antonio isn’t signing any FA’s. Sell them on Harris being a mentor. I could see a Spurs book club!

[the_process]

I like it, but why would Houston want Harris?

Then again, why would anyone want Harris? Tank commander, I suppose.

I think we'd have to give up a first to get an ok player back like we did in the Horford trade. Feel like with that we could get something better than Green, but McBuckets and Gordon seem too good to be true.

Honestly, I'm still surprised what McCollum fetched. I had him and Tobias in the same category. Maybe I'm off though.

What do you mean? Cj plus Larry Nance for …

Josh hart is meh. Only 12 million is guaranteed of his 3 years. The other two players are meh also with Alexander-walker included throw in salary fillers. And protected first round pick means nothing unless it’s instead the top 4 which it isn’t. It’s 5-14 and it’s not a deep draft and than it goes to 2025 top 4 protected which bucks pick.

If the Blazers end up with a late lottery pick for CJ McCollum that’s an absolute steal for them. The fact they have a decent chance at it shows how good of a job their interim GM did. As is with no pick, they still moved off that CJ money taking nothing long term in return. That alone is a win even if they do nothing with the cap space.

[zaz102]

I like it, but why would Houston want Harris?

Then again, why would anyone want Harris? Tank commander, I suppose.

I think we'd have to give up a first to get an ok player back like we did in the Horford trade. Feel like with that we could get something better than Green, but McBuckets and Gordon seem too good to be true.

Honestly, I'm still surprised what McCollum fetched. I had him and Tobias in the same category. Maybe I'm off though.

What do you mean? Cj plus Larry Nance for …

Josh hart is meh. Only 12 million is guaranteed of his 3 years. The other two players are meh also with Alexander-walker included throw in salary fillers. And protected first round pick means nothing unless it’s instead the top 4 which it isn’t. It’s 5-14 and it’s not a deep draft and than it goes to 2025 top 4 protected which bucks pick.

Like the other poster said, CJ is probably more valuable than Tobias, but I feel like a team would not be giving us a meh player, a young player with any potential and a protected first and second for Tobias.

So depends on your question. I'll concede that CJ is worth more than Tobias. I still don't think much of CJ either. And I do not think Tobias would fetch that although a year of Nance may have been a big part of that trade. Also, that's not were really looking for anyway.

[LloydFree]

As disappointing as Tobias has appeared to me this season, his numbers aren't as bad as I thought. He's shouldn't be a MAX player, but he's basically been the equal of Khris Middleton this season.

To. Harris: 17.5 per, 564 ts%, 18.7 ppg, 7.3rb, 3.7a
Middleton: 18.0 per, 571 ts%, 19.4 ppg, 5.5rb, 5.3a

[Kobblehead]

Middleton spaces the floor at a tremendous rate and makes enough plays defensively to not be a sieve. Harris doesn't shoot threes or make plays defensively. So even if their raw numbers look comparable at a quick glance, they're world's apart in usefulness, compatibility with others, and value.

[mjkvol]

As disappointing as Tobias has appeared to me this season, his numbers aren't as bad as I thought. He's shouldn't be a MAX player, but he's basically been the equal of Khris Middleton this season.

To. Harris: 17.5 per, 564 ts%, 18.7 ppg, 7.3rb, 3.7a
Middleton: 18.0 per, 571 ts%, 19.4 ppg, 5.5rb, 5.3a

The only place Tobias is in the same solar system as Middleton is raw numbers. Ask 30 GM's which one they would take at the same price, and unless one of them is Elton Brand, every one picks Middleton in a second.

Last year's playoffs clearly showed the huge chasm between the two. While Middleton was an essential piece of a championship run, Tobias was pulling his standard disappearing act.

There's a reason why Middleton is a multiple time All Star while Tobias is still looking for his first one.

[LloydFree]

Middleton spaces the floor at a tremendous rate and makes enough plays defensively to not be a sieve. Harris doesn't shoot threes or make plays defensively. So even if their raw numbers look comparable at a quick glance, they're world's apart in usefulness, compatibility with others, and value.

I agree. Tobias Harris would be so much more useful, if he shot more 3's. Not to mention yearly disappearing act in the playoffs. He's a regular season stat stuffer, who struggles to go up a level against real competition. Not unlike, Vucevic, Julius Randall, Sabonis etc

[Negrodamus]

Wasn't Tobias the only consistently good player in the playoffs last year? Like, I think he had one dud against the Hawks.

[Stanford]

Man, Bucks fans haaaate Middleton though.

[LloydFree]

Wasn't Tobias the only consistently good player in the playoffs last year? Like, I think he had one dud against the Hawks.

The problem for him, obviously is the money. You can't be a MAX player and be "just OK". His shooting percentages were better last year, but you can't justify a 2nd scorer, who only attempts 22 three's and 19 FTs, in an entire 7 game series.

[DHM]

Man, Bucks fans haaaate Middleton though.

Lol

With a passion

[Negrodamus]

Wasn't Tobias the only consistently good player in the playoffs last year? Like, I think he had one dud against the Hawks.

The problem for him, obviously is the money. You can't be a MAX player and be "just OK". His shooting percentages were better last year, but you can't justify a 2nd scorer, who only attempts 22 three's and 19 FTs, in an entire 7 game series.

Yea, I mean, that's always going to be the case with him. But within the confines of what we know are his capabilities, he was quite good in the playoffs. He just wasn't going to save us from the 0 that Ben was nor would he carry us when Embiid was out. He was just a consistent 21 points.

[LloydFree]

Wasn't Tobias the only consistently good player in the playoffs last year? Like, I think he had one dud against the Hawks.

The problem for him, obviously is the money. You can't be a MAX player and be "just OK". His shooting percentages were better last year, but you can't justify a 2nd scorer, who only attempts 22 three's and 19 FTs, in an entire 7 game series.

Yea, I mean, that's always going to be the case with him. But within the confines of what we know are his capabilities, he was quite good in the playoffs. He just wasn't going to save us from the 0 that Ben was nor would he carry us when Embiid was out. He was just a consistent 21 points.

I agree. Tobias' 2nd biggest perception problem came from having a non-scorer like Ben Simmons as a playoff teammate. Tobias may not be the perfect fit with Harden, due to his reluctance to shoot the three, but Harden's presence as a 2nd scorer takes a lot of the pressure off him to be something he's not.

[mjkvol]

Man, Bucks fans haaaate Middleton though.

Why would that be, especially after last year?

Let's do a straight up trade and see how much they like Tobias.

[Stanford]

I was surprised. Read their board after the last game. Wild.

[FireMorey]

Hypothetically, if that rumor from Zach Lowe turns out to be true and the Sixers look to dump Harris and Harden opts out so the Sixers can sign a star free agent and then re-sign Harden to form a Big 3, who do you think it would be? I googled free agents and the only one that makes sense would be LaVine, though he's a Klutch guy and not sure the relationship between them and the Sixers is great at the moment, but not sure that matters, they're all just doing their jobs.

Kyrie obviously would be doubtful if Harden wanted out of Brooklyn in part because of him. Bradley Beal seems like less of a fit with Harden than LaVine. Other than those guys, the drop off seems considerable. I don't think you spend the picks to dump Harris to sign Miles Bridges to close to a max deal. Doesn't seem like a Morey move.

[LloydFree]

Hypothetically, if that rumor from Zach Lowe turns out to be true and the Sixers look to dump Harris and Harden opts out so the Sixers can sign a star free agent and then re-sign Harden to form a Big 3, who do you think it would be? I googled free agents and the only one that makes sense would be LaVine, though he's a Klutch guy and not sure the relationship between them and the Sixers is great at the moment, but not sure that matters, they're all just doing their jobs.

Kyrie obviously would be doubtful if Harden wanted out of Brooklyn in part because of him. Bradley Beal seems like less of a fit with Harden than LaVine. Other than those guys, the drop off seems considerable. I don't think you spend the picks to dump Harris to sign Miles Bridges to close to a max deal. Doesn't seem like a Morey move.

I don't think they can do that. Wouldn't Harden still count as a caphold? And if they renounced his rights to eliminate the caphold, they wouldn't be able to use his Bird rights.

[FireMorey]

Hypothetically, if that rumor from Zach Lowe turns out to be true and the Sixers look to dump Harris and Harden opts out so the Sixers can sign a star free agent and then re-sign Harden to form a Big 3, who do you think it would be? I googled free agents and the only one that makes sense would be LaVine, though he's a Klutch guy and not sure the relationship between them and the Sixers is great at the moment, but not sure that matters, they're all just doing their jobs.

Kyrie obviously would be doubtful if Harden wanted out of Brooklyn in part because of him. Bradley Beal seems like less of a fit with Harden than LaVine. Other than those guys, the drop off seems considerable. I don't think you spend the picks to dump Harris to sign Miles Bridges to close to a max deal. Doesn't seem like a Morey move.

I don't think they can do that. Wouldn't Harden still count as a caphold? And if they renounced his rights to eliminate the caphold, they wouldn't be able to use his Bird rights.

Lowe said the rumor is Harden would sign at a discount to make it happen, so maybe that's what he was talking about.

[Arsenal]

That rumor is totally bogus. Anyone who understands the cap rules and basic math knows it's not happening.

If we want a 3rd star, we need to get him in a trade.